the theory of evolution

[Schroeder]

sO how do genes create new functions. If all we see came from a single cell organism how did the dna of it, or whatever it may have been, come to create new info to speciate into new completely different organisms. Besides the usual a tiny change at a time. Say a fish coming to get info in its dna to know what to do with a DEFECT in its reproduction that supposedly had it become a land animal. How would a animal always in the sea get info in its dna to be a land animal. know what to eat, how to deal with weather change, what food to eat, etc. maybe i have heard this explained but just have forgotten.


It just seems impossible to me to have a animal suddenly have a DEFECT in its reproduction and some how figure out how to use it in a way that makes it a whole different class of animal. wheres the info coming from to help it do such things.

 

[Incariol]

sO how do genes create new functions.

Mutations.

If all we see came from a single cell organism how did the dna of it, or whatever it may have been, come to create new info to speciate into new completely different organisms.

Again, through mutations.

Besides the usual a tiny change at a time.

Why?

Say a fish coming to get info in its dna to know what to do with a DEFECT in its reproduction that supposedly had it become a land animal. How would a animal always in the sea get info in its dna to be a land animal. know what to eat, how to deal with weather change, what food to eat, etc. maybe i have heard this explained but just have forgotten.

It probably wouldn't, which is why such enormous changes don't happen rapidly.

It just seems impossible to me to have a animal suddenly have a DEFECT in its reproduction and some how figure out how to use it in a way that makes it a whole different class of animal.

Yeah, because it happens gradually, not all at once.

wheres the info coming from to help it do such things.

Learning.

 

[artybloke]

DEFECT

A "defect" is only a defect if it does not add to the survivability of a species. A change in the DNA (mutation) can be very far from detrimental if it leads to a species adapting to its environment better. If its environment changes (as environments do in all kinds of ways) it's either adapt or die out.

 

[Schroeder]

A "defect" is only a defect if it does not add to the survivability of a species. A change in the DNA (mutation) can be very far from detrimental if it leads to a species adapting to its environment better. If its environment changes (as environments do in all kinds of ways) it's either adapt or die out.

say like what. give an example or a mutation that results in a physical change followed by a change in the info of the gene to use this new feature in a way that helps it. that would be two random defects that just so happend to be a plus for it. SO like a rabbit which has its coat change colors during the seasons. It happens but how, if it happened by way of some random mutation, did it get it to do it just during the changing seasons. You say one day a rabbit was born white and survived the winter becasue of camoflauge. of course in summer it wouldnt unless it changed back to brown. So at what point did it obtain the info in the genes too make it switch back and forth. Maybe there is info on this ii guess i could look it up.

 

[artybloke]

i could look it up

Gosh, what an original idea!

 

[Schroeder]

Gosh, what an original idea!

hey dont get smart with me. If i looked it up i wouldnt come here. just trying to bring up some discussion. So any examples. mutations dont create new info in genes. give an example. it may change a function but does it CREATE new INFO never had before.

 

[Mr.Waffles]

Plain and simple, mutations are genetic defects which very rarely translate to positive biological change (fraction of 1%). They have nothing to do with the inception of new genetic information which would code for biological aspects such as structure, limbs, or organs, that is just not how they work. The idea that they play such a role is a scientific myth, they simply vary the information that is already there to begin with.

 

[artybloke]

hey dont get smart with me. If i looked it up i wouldnt come here. just trying to bring up some discussion. So any examples. mutations dont create new info in genes. give an example. it may change a function but does it CREATE new INFO never had before.

I see at least two PRATTS here. I suggest you go and read a standard textbook on evolution, consult the TalkOrigins site and actually go and get some real facts rather than relying on lying blind guides of creationism.

 

[Schroeder]

I see at least two PRATTS here. I suggest you go and read a standard textbook on evolution, consult the TalkOrigins site and actually go and get some real facts rather than relying on lying blind guides of creationism.

well your PRATT is your assumption that i get all my info from YEC sites. trust me i have looked into all the ideas of it. So i should know FOR FACT that all atheist and or theistic evolutionist ONLY speak truth. But all YEC or creationist are full of it liars. stupidity is helpful sometimes but not always. thanks. Or were my PRATTS the faces. if so that would be mr and mrs PRATT.

 

[Incariol]

Plain and simple, mutations are genetic defects which very rarely translate to positive biological change (fraction of 1%). They have nothing to do with the inception of new genetic information which would code for biological aspects such as structure, limbs, or organs, that is just not how they work. The idea that they play such a role is a scientific myth, they simply vary the information that is already there to begin with.

So you don't understand genetics at the level it is covered in an introductory undergraduate bio course. Fair enough.

 

[Incariol]

hey dont get smart with me. If i looked it up i wouldnt come here. just trying to bring up some discussion. So any examples. mutations dont create new info in genes. give an example. it may change a function but does it CREATE new INFO never had before.

The bolded is a PRATT. Mutations are covered in any decent biology textbook.

 

[Mr.Waffles]

So you don't understand genetics at the level it is covered in an introductory undergraduate bio course. Fair enough.

What are you trying to get at? You form this opinion just because I am not merely regurgitating commonplace textbook responses that aren't palatable enough for you? The "random mutation" clause in the evolutionary definition is a bad joke, with these "mechanisms" apparently being major players in the mythical Darwinian processes that are championed as fact. Forgive me for not being gullible.

 

[Mr.Waffles]

The bolded is a PRATT. Mutations are covered in any decent biology textbook.

The general idea is that "different" information is "new" information. Not that this has anything to do with what that "new" information actually translates to. Forget substance, I guess we should all settle for glittering generalities.

 

[Incariol]

What are you trying to get at? You form this opinion just because I am not merely regurgitating commonplace textbook responses that aren't palatable enough for you?

When you insist on claims that a single read through a general biology textbook refutes, yes, I am going to assume you have no education in the sciences.

The "random mutation" clause in the evolutionary definition is a bad joke, with these "mechanisms" apparently being major players in the mythical Darwinian processes that are championed as fact. Forgive me for not being gullible.

Forgive me for realizing that you don't understand how mutations occur. Take a few years of biology courses and get back to me.

 

[Mr.Waffles]

When you insist on claims that a single read through a general biology textbook refutes, yes, I am going to assume you have no education in the sciences.

Nonsense. This is just a dishonest tactic. Apparently, you aren't aloud to study or discuss such topics unless you have a degree in biology? What refuting? Are you serious? No education in the sciences? Just because I am not regurgitating chunks of a biology textbook to you? What a racket.

Forgive me for realizing that you don't understand how mutations occur. Take a few years of biology courses and get back to me.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about your attempts to write me off. I see you are only intersted in status quos, and not honest and objective inquiry. It's no wonder all you can do is fall back on the generic response of "read a biology book" when you haven't even engaged in any way whatsoever.

Also considering how the occurence of mutations is a fairly easy concept to understand,I have no idea where you get off telling me I have no idea how they do occur.

It is not "how" they occur as much as what they produce.

 

[artybloke]

honest and objective inquiry.

When I see a creationist engage in anything like this, I'll probably see flying pigs just afterwards.

 

[Mr.Waffles]

When I see a creationist engage in anything like this, I'll probably see flying pigs just afterwards.

And the great irony, a comment that is devoid of any honesty and objectivity to begin with. Make that a double irony, seeing how evolutionary theory does not concern itself with objective inquiry.

You probably have a personal dictionary with Kent Hovind's picture conveniently plastered next to "your" definition of "creationist".

 

[cupid dave]

What are you trying to get at? You form this opinion just because I am not merely regurgitating commonplace textbook responses that aren't palatable enough for you? The "random mutation" clause in the evolutionary definition is a bad joke, with these "mechanisms" apparently being major players in the mythical Darwinian processes that are championed as fact. Forgive me for not being gullible.

Apes have 24 chromosomes.

About 7 million years ago, one mutation oxcurred as an Act-of-god which fused two of the chromosomes togther, give all humans thereafter only 23 chromosomes.



Gen 5:2 says god called them, the man and his wife, the "Adamites," a species:


Gen 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name Adam, (a species), in the day when THEY were created.



http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id31.html

 

[Mr.Waffles]

Apes have 24 chromosomes.

About 7 million years ago, one mutation oxcurred as an Act-of-god which fused two of the chromosomes togther, give all humans thereafter only 23 chromosomes.



Gen 5:2 says god called them, the man and his wife, the "Adamites," a species:


Gen 5:2 Male and female created he THEM; and blessed THEM, and called THEIR name Adam, (a species), in the day when THEY were created.



http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id31.html

The observation of one fused chromosome doesn't mean anything evolution-wise. It is not a single, isolated mutation - but a collective of countless mutations that apparently (over countless generations) made for the inception of genetic material that coded for the organs, limbs, and structures of divergent species.

 

[Huram Abi]

Apes have 24 chromosomes.

About 7 million years ago, one mutation oxcurred as an Act-of-god which fused two of the chromosomes togther, give all humans thereafter only 23 chromosomes.

Source?