144,000

[pat34lee]

I didn't say I thought 2 or 3 generations from now. I just mention the fact that I don't think "we'll" see it all is because the majority of the "we" here in MJ are on the older side. We may very well enter into the first 3 1/2 years. But sadly, people like me, without miraculous healing ain't gonna be able to physically survive the latter half - thus "we" probably won't be here to see it all happening. I completely think our children are going to see it all.
And like I said, "we", all of us right now today are prophecy in motion. And it's ever sooooo cool!!

Do you think that there were old and sick Israelites in Egypt just before they were released in the Exodus? They didn't stay that way.

Psalm 105:37 He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.​

 

[muzza21]

It's dangerous to make predictions as followers of Harold Camping find out regularly, and others. Like Temp says, there are still a lot of things to happen. Realistically we can continue to best use this opportunity to learn more, grow more, walk with Him closer, help each other, because we may think we have some idea of the carnage, but I doubt we really do. Were still a way off yet, 2018-20, a bit more maybe??? But we will not be surprised. I hear you, Yeshida, and I would hope He has mercy on you, because probably you're correct in your thoughts. But it's the blind, the lame, the down syndrome children, the autistic, the innocent children, these are the ones that hurt me. It is my prayer continually He takes them away first.

 

[yedida]

Pat, thank you, I had forgotten that one!! Yay!!
Muzza, no one is making a prediction per se, just an observation based on patterns set by Hashem himself. BTW, it's Yedida, which is the Hebrew for my English name

 

[Yahudim]

I too have some information to offer. But I will be starting another thread for that purpose because it is extensive and potentially controversial. Besides, I'm still working on it...

 

[muzza21]

I too have some information to offer. But I will be starting another thread for that purpose because it is extensive and potentially controversial. Besides, I'm still working on it...

Oh, yes please. What will you call it so we recognize it? Or let us know off this thread where to go?

 

[muzza21]

Pat, thank you, I had forgotten that one!! Yay!!
Muzza, no one is making a prediction per se, just an observation based on patterns set by Hashem himself. BTW, it's Yedida, which is the Hebrew for my English name

No worries, I didn't think anyone was making predictions, it just goes on a fair bit which totally causes even more confusion. And, about your name, whoops!! See, when I'm away from my computer where all is full screen and I'm working only on the i phone, the screen is so small and I'm so not used to names such as yours, I totally disappoint myself with my incompetence, in other words, I'm sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again.

 

[yedida]

Oh not to worry. I'll answer to anything as long as it's nice, lol. But I actually figured you might have a similar problem as I do - my eyes double up what I'm seeing and add or diminish what I'm really seeing so just thought I'd help out a bit. Not a problem at all

 

[Yahudim]

Oh, yes please. What will you call it so we recognize it? Or let us know off this thread where to go?

I have started to post an old study of mine in segments. You have probably already seen the thread: Revelation and the Yom Kippur Temple Service. In the last segment that I posted, I finally got around to addressing the 144,000. I would encourage to to read the whole study as it give context to the segment that contains the material on the 144,000. Anyway, whatever you choose to do, I pray that it will bless you.

 

[mercy1061]

I was just wondering your perspective on the 144,000. We know they are virgins(unassociated with the religeous system) they come from each of the 12 tribes. They are the first fruits.

We walk by faith and not by sight....

Faith comes by hearing....

John saw the four angels.....

John saw another angel (5th angel) rising from where the sun rose.....

Rev 22:16

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star.”

John heard the count of those who were sealed from the angel; 144,000.....

Then John saw a number to great to count from every nation and tribe and people and language....

Do you think this number is literal? Will many of them be martyred during the tribulatin or will they have angelic protection? Any other thoughts?

The number that John heard from the angel (144,000) is not the same number that John saw from every nation and tribe and people and language.....

John heard the angel count only from the 12 tribes of Israel; 12,000 from each tribe but John saw a number to great to count that was from every nation and tribe and people and language......

Jacob had 12 sons.....

There are 12 hours on a clock.....

There are 12 eggs packaged in a dozen, ready for purchase at the grocery store.....

In the old testament the 12 tribes of Israel were numbered.....

John heard the angel count 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes of Israel....

When those 12 tribes agree as one nation, these 12 tribes from Israel....

The moon orbits around the earth 12 times, as the earth completes one orbit around the sun......

There are 12 new moons; 12 dark moons; 12 full moons; 12 months in one year....

If a defendant is facing criminal charges, and selects a jury trial; the 12 sons of Jacob determine the verdict of the case....

If the 12 jurors agree with one verdict that the defendent is not guilty of the criminal charges, then the defendent is pronounced not guilty by the honorable court......

However if the 12 sons of Jacob can not agree on the verdict; a "mistrial" is pronounced by the judge wearing a black robe; the defendent is therefore set free.....

Will the 12 sons of Jacob ever agree on the verdict of guilt? If the 12 sons of Jacob agree, then they will be protected by the angel who sealed 144,000; 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes....

 

[Gxg (G²)]

It's dangerous to make predictions as followers of Harold Camping find out regularly, and others. .

Camping is really off the wall, IMHO

 

[yedida]

We walk by faith and not by sight....
[COLOR="Navy"Be careful belittling things that are seen. Especially when confirmed by things heard.][/COLOR]

Faith comes by hearing....

John [B]saw[/B] the four angels.....

John [B]saw[/B] another angel (5th angel) rising from where the sun rose.....

Rev 22:16

[I]“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the [B]bright[/B] [B]morning[/B] [B]star[/B].”
[/I]
John [B]heard[/B] the count of those who were sealed from the angel; 144,000.....

Then John [B]saw[/B] a number to great to count from every nation and tribe and people and language....

The number that John [B]heard[/B] from the angel (144,000) is not the same number that John [B]saw[/B] from every nation and tribe and people and language.....

John [B]heard[/B] the angel count only from the 12 tribes of Israel; 12,000 from each tribe but John [B]saw[/B] a number to great to count that was from every nation and tribe and people and language......

Jacob had 12 sons.....

There are 12 hours on a clock....

There are 12 eggs packaged in a dozen, ready for purchase at the grocery store.....
[COLOR="navy"]Don't read too much into things that man has decided. [/COLOR]

In the old testament the 12 tribes of Israel were numbered.....

John heard the angel count 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes of Israel....

When those 12 tribes agree as one nation, these 12 tribes from Israel....

The moon orbits around the earth 12 times, as the earth completes one orbit around the sun......

There are 12 new moons; 12 dark moons; 12 full moons; 12 months in one year....

If a defendant is facing criminal charges, and selects a jury trial; the 12 sons of Jacob determine the verdict of the case....

If the 12 jurors agree with one verdict that the defendent is not guilty of the criminal charges, then the defendent is pronounced not guilty by the honorable court......

However if the 12 sons of Jacob can not agree on the verdict; a "mistrial" is pronounced by the judge wearing a black robe; the defendent is therefore set free.....
This, I believe, will usually be done without prejudice so that charges can be brought again. A mistrial does not render one innocent, just inconclusive with the evidence currently available.

Will the 12 sons of Jacob ever agree on the verdict of guilt? If the 12 sons of Jacob agree, then they will be protected by the angel who sealed 144,000; 12,000 in each of the 12 tribes....

Much of what man has done has only messed up what God intended. We've made a mess of things. But there's coming a day when it will all get set straight again. Baruch Hashem!

 

[mercy1061]

There are 12 eggs packaged in a dozen, ready for purchase at the grocery store.....

Don't read too much into things that man has decided.

Luke 13
34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

This, I believe, will usually be done without prejudice so that charges can be brought again. A mistrial does not render one innocent, just inconclusive with the evidence currently available.

Amen, the defendent is normally brought to trial again after a mistrial. The 12 sons of Jacob must agree on a verdict, lest a potential sinner escapes the penalty for his sin.........

Much of what man has done has only messed up what God intended. We've made a mess of things. But there's coming a day when it will all get set straight again. Baruch Hashem!

Man can not stop the moon from orbiting around the earth 12 times at the same time the earth completes one orbit around the sun....

Man can not stop "12 full moons" or "12 dark moons" or "12 new moons"...

Luke 10

18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

 

[yedida]

You misunderstood. I don't disagree with you, just some of the things you choose to use as "proofs" have nothing to do with how God set things up. They are things that man has set up, somewhat God-inspired but I think that was more accidental than anything. But just my opinion for sure.

 

[Tishri1]

Joseph Good 's book Rosh Hashannah and the Messianic Kingdom of God I think I remember there was a chapter on the 144,000

 

[yedida]

Joseph Good 's book Rosh Hashannah and the Messianic Kingdom of God I think I remember there was a chapter on the 144,000

That wouldn't be up for a computer read would it? Or would it be available at a Christian book store? It's so sad that so many really good Messianic books are not offered at Christian book stores.

 

[aniello]

That wouldn't be up for a computer read would it? Or would it be available at a Christian book store? It's so sad that so many really good Messianic books are not offered at Christian book stores.

Might try Joe's site:

About | Hatikva Ministries

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[yedida]

Might try Joe's site:

About | Hatikva Ministries

...

Thanks. I checked it out, there is a book there for sale that looked very interesting but I didn't see this one at all!! Weird. And there weren't any eBooks available. I'd never heard of the man before. I feel so isolated here, these last 2 years. Kind of a stalemate state. His site looks interesting, will check it out further, looks like there might be some kind of videos to check out, that will be cool.

 

[aniello]

Thanks. I checked it out, there is a book there for sale that looked very interesting but I didn't see this one at all!! Weird. And there weren't any eBooks available. I'd never heard of the man before. I feel so isolated here, these last 2 years. Kind of a stalemate state. His site looks interesting, will check it out further, looks like there might be some kind of videos to check out, that will be cool.

Well it's years ago, but as I recall he's an archeologist.

I think he's perhaps Noahide or converted to Judaism, can't remember exactly. He used to be on Al and Tommie's GLC, along with Sam Peak and Rabbi Richman. Then GLC first got rid of Joe, then later Sam, and as a result lost Rabbi Richman, dumb move on their part, but I think they were appealing to the limited intellect in the state they reside in, sort of to the good ol' boy Mafia. Somewhere in the last year they got rid of Chumney and 4 or 5 of their solid programmers left in support of Eddie. Al and Tommie have really tried to build a good thing but they don't seem to see the effects very far ahead.

Wife and I here with others in our Jewish community try to support R. Richman, one of the most righteous souls I've e'er met.

 

[yedida]

I've listened to Richman, like him. Was on the fence about Chumney, and now don't know where he can be seen. I've never had that channel before, GLC. I've got something like INSP? and some other that I can't think of right now. What it boils down to - nothing really. Wish I could get a good channel that has at least a few good programs.
I'll have to go back to Good's website and see if that thing was for videos of his programs maybe? Too fuzzy right now, night time meds are working.

 

[aniello]

I've listened to Richman, like him. Was on the fence about Chumney, and now don't know where he can be seen. I've never had that channel before, GLC. I've got something like INSP? and some other that I can't think of right now. What it boils down to - nothing really. Wish I could get a good channel that has at least a few good programs.
I'll have to go back to Good's website and see if that thing was for videos of his programs maybe? Too fuzzy right now, night time meds are working.

CHumney, Bill Cloud, Rico, Tony Robinson et al are here:

Hebrew Roots, Messianic Israel, Torah Observant,Messianic Jewish Teachings | The Hebraic Roots Network

Always felt Eddie was a bit over the edge in his costuming up, had some good info. sometimes though.

Try googling GLC, should come up and they have round the clock programming. Some programs are good, some are well....... Think you might enjoy Dr. Diana Dye, our Jewish friend in Santa Fe. See her at Kol Beramah when we are able to get up there.