EWTN Statement on Today's Obama Announcement

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Good! We need to battle this stupid decision of Obama and his administration. We cannot allow ourselves to be persecuted like this. It is true that we may have to endure persecution in the future but that doesn't mean we should take it laying down. We should fight against it so that it does not happen if at all possible.
 
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Good for them for not being dupped. Obama hasn't changed much of anything in this. All he is going to do is force the healthcare providers to supply the contraceptives for free and the employer/employee will have to pay for the increase in the insurance.

We cannot take off the pressure on this one. We must continue to fight.
 
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Good for them for not being dupped. Obama hasn't changed much of anything in this. All he is going to do is force the healthcare providers to supply the contraceptives for free and the employer/employee will have to pay for the increase in the insurance.

We cannot take off the pressure on this one. We must continue to fight.
can't employers just drop coverage and pay their employees more?

hate to sound dumb but i kinda am dumb (uninformed) about healt care
 
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can't employers just drop coverage and pay their employees more?

hate to sound dumb but i kinda am dumb (uninformed) about healt care

No. Under the new health care law certain employers have to provide insurance. Anyone that doesn't have insurance must buy it or face stiff fines (and possibly jail).
 
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I'm sorry, I'm confused.

What, exactly, is EWTN (or any of the rest of you guys) annoyed about with this lastest compromise ?

The employers aren't even involved in paying for the contraceptives so what's the deal ?
 
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Catholic network does not plan to drop lawsuit against government.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/#ixzz1m0SNTsCH

This is a vast waste of money.

I hate to be the one who brings this up but.....


.....Employment Division v. Smith, 1990.

Majority opinion, written by the bastion of conservative thought, that Catholic of Catholic, the guy who every conservative in America thinks is the greatest judical thinker in the 20th and 21st centures...

...wait for it..


Antonin Scalia

Hold that the religious beliefs are not enough, in and of themselves, to grant protection from civil requirements imposed by the legislators in the civil arena.

The Supreme Court is on the Administration's side on this.
 
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This is a vast waste of money.

I hate to be the one who brings this up but.....


.....Employment Division v. Smith, 1990.

Majority opinion, written by the bastion of conservative thought, that Catholic of Catholic, the guy who every conservative in America thinks is the greatest judical thinker in the 20th and 21st centures...

...wait for it..


Antonin Scalia

Hold that the religious beliefs are not enough, in and of themselves, to grant protection from civil requirements imposed by the legislators in the civil arena.

The Supreme Court is on the Administration's side on this.

That was an abomination of a ruling from the Supreme Court. How does sacramental wine get a free pass during prohibition and especially when many States still had blue laws in place while peyote use for religious purposes gets shunned?

That's why the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was so unanimously passed by both the Senate and Congress, and with the recent ruling in Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Benficiente Uniao do Vegetal, I would not be surprised if Employment Division v. Smith gets completely overruled.
 
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IMO, the suit should go on. To stop abuse from Obama and those who agree that the govt. can regulate religious institutions as they please. To back down and say ok means later on with backs to the wall, they will have to enter suit again. A question the Supremes could ask - why didn'[t you go ahead with your suit now.

I applaud EWTN.
 
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That was an abomination of a ruling from the Supreme Court. How does sacramental wine get a free pass during prohibition and especially when many States still had blue laws in place while peyote use for religious purposes gets shunned?

That's why the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was so unanimously passed by both the Senate and Congress, and with the recent ruling in Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Benficiente Uniao do Vegetal, I would not be surprised if Employment Division v. Smith gets completely overruled.

I wouldn't put much past A. Scalia's ego and general corruption.

It's his decision and I don't think he'll overrule himself.

His vote means Thomas' (Thomas votes with Scalia all but like twice in history)

Robert's isn't about to overrule a law that allows an employer to drug test an employee.

Aleto is to stupid to do anything except go with the flow.

and Kennedy agreed with this ruling the last time and isn't the overruling kind.

That's five to uphold the president.
 
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I wouldn't put much past A. Scalia's ego and general corruption.

It's his decision and I don't think he'll overrule himself.

His vote means Thomas' (Thomas votes with Scalia all but like twice in history)

Robert's isn't about to overrule a law that allows an employer to drug test an employee.

Aleto is to stupid to do anything except go with the flow.

and Kennedy agreed with this ruling the last time and isn't the overruling kind.

That's five to uphold the president.

Don't be too surprised, especially when it's Catholicism at the helm; you've got 3 Roman Catholics on the bench, not too sure about Sotomayor, but wouldn't be surprised if she's Catholic too: Being Puerto Rican.

That's why that ruling was stupid: Christianity and Judaism, we'll scrutinize this to hell and back to allow something that is prohibited elsewhere. Native American practices...those savages!

EDIT: Since Davis, there are 7 new judges on the court. It's also not unheard of for a Supreme Court Judge to flip-flop:

O'Conner agreed with the majority in Bowers v. Hardwick where homosexuals didn't have a right to privacy and that there was nothing unconstitutional in a State prohibiting homosexual sodomy.

Fast forward to Lawrence v. Texas, where at that point, all states allowed sodomy between heterosexual couples, and the Court strikes down laws prohibiting homosexual sodomy as a violation of equal due process.

O'Conner's concurrence with the Court is seen as a "my bad."
 
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A Strange Notion of “Compromise”

I’ve been following politics my whole life. I understand the politicians live in a different world than the rest of us. But is still surprises me when they work from a different dictionary.

We’re talking now about the Administration and their mandate that all employers, including Catholic institutions, will be forced to offer their employees health coverage that includes sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs, and contraception — free of charge.

Having inadvertently dragged the Church into electoral year politics, the Administration has now started talking about “compromise” to take some of the heat off. To most normal people, the word “compromise” means that people sit down, talk to each other as equals, and try to work out something that will respect each other’s beliefs and values. An online dictionary defines it as “a settlement of differences by mutual concessions”.

Continued- http://blog.archny.org/steppingout/?p=2198#.TzWKcyzZe0k.facebook
 
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