Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.

[street preacher]

What it will come down to on the end is choosing to keeping the commandments of God or the commandments of men and tradition.

 

[street preacher]

No sunday worship will not be the downfall of many Christians the bible says when one is in ignorance God winks at us but when light and truth comes he expects us to walk in it

 

[Cribstyl]

Scripture is from Hebrews. Now show me scripture that plainly says Sunday worship will be the downfall of many Christians. And I mean plainly. Not just a bunch of innuendo which is what the entire Saturday worship doctrine is based upon. I will condemn no one who chooses to worship on a Saturday. The problem I have is when they expect everyone else to do it and make it a condition of righteousness. Who are you to judge another man's servant?
As for coming here to your forum, when you start in on other denominations, why shouldn't they be allowed to comment?

I'm in agreement with this post.

Dont hold your breathe for a reasonable response.
They're reluctant with the scriptures because "inspired" commentary is their foundation. They have to argue till the end of time.

 

[someguy14]

I'm in agreement with this post.

Dont hold your breathe for a reasonable response.
They're reluctant with the scriptures because "inspired" commentary is their foundation. They have to argue till the end of time.

Argueing.

None is argueing as the posts that I have read. It is the thread topic that's claiming a down fall.

 

[Living in the Light]

"Love thy God with all thy heart, all thy soul, and all thy mind." God knows where our hearts are and I don't see any problem with Sunday worship any more than Wednesdays or Saturdays. Worship is what it is, worship.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

the criteria for judgment is faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior

Faith without works (obedience) is dead.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Faith without works (obedience) is dead.

it depends on how works are defined, is it obedience to the commandments or helping those in need...

 

[ChrisCarol]

What it will come down to on the end is choosing to keeping the commandments of God or the commandments of men and tradition.

The Bible says:


John 3:14-16




14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Scripture is from Hebrews. Now show me scripture that plainly says Sunday worship will be the downfall of many Christians. And I mean plainly. Not just a bunch of innuendo which is what the entire Saturday worship doctrine is based upon. I will condemn no one who chooses to worship on a Saturday. The problem I have is when they expect everyone else to do it and make it a condition of righteousness. Who are you to judge another man's servant?
As for coming here to your forum, when you start in on other denominations, why shouldn't they be allowed to comment?

Matt 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matt 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven...

Jesus was speaking of the decalogue here as evidenced by verses 21, 27, 33.


Matt 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Knowing that no other day was commanded by God and the fact we have the RC church claiming authority over Sunday worship, this verse speaks volumes for those with ears to hear.

Mark 10:18,19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

This is Mark's account of the event of Matt 19:17... notice the decalogue specifically identified. These are the commandments that Jesus said must be keep to enter into life.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What were Jesus' commandments? Did Jesus not say He was Lord of the Sabbath day? How can anyone take this from Him without His authorization?

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Do we think the Fathers commandments are different from the Son's? Did Jesus not say in John 10:30 that He and the Father are one?

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-4
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

We can see, that in verse 2 of this passage, that this is refering to the decalogue as it identifies the principle behind them... love the children of God (neighbour) and love God. As Jesus said upon these two principles, hangs the whole Law (all 10)

2 John 1:5,6
And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Here John is clearly pointing to the commanments of old, the decalogue, and not some new teaching of the apostles.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

This sums it all up... if we expect to enter into the city, do as He has repeatedly asked of us.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The Bible says:


John 3:14-16




14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What does the Bible say is faith by itself?

 

[street preacher]

You missed my point there is no salvation in keeping Gods commandnents(onecis saved by christ grace alone)but there is damnation in not keeping Gods commandments.why dont preachers in christiendom just tell there members the truth.Jesus in vain they worship me teaching the commandments the doctrine of men Daniel 7:25 he shall seek to change laws and times there is from study and from bible the only power that this indentity is the papacy the Roman CAtholic church they are the beast the harlot all the world wondered after her HER mark his sunday worship which IS the mark of the beast please pray and ask God for understanding no offence i say in love

 

[Cribstyl]

Argueing.

None is argueing as the posts that I have read. It is the thread topic that's claiming a down fall.

These 2 direct questions were asked directly CSpurgeon:

Is the Sabbath a salvational issue to you?

If a person claims to be a Christian, but doesn't worship on the Sabbath because they don't think it's necessary under the New Covenant, do you think such a person is truly saved?

The response given by ECR is the classic standard arround here#21. Rather than giving answers with biblical references. This response says that: If you're not keeping the sabbath, you're not trully saved, because you're breaking God's commandments.

 

[Section10]

Just as I thought.

I will only take the time to respond to one passage.
Where Jesus said in Matthew 5 about breaking the commandment and teaching others to do the same will be the least in heaven.
Jesus broke the Sabbath in John 5 and he told the cripple to take up his bed and walk which is another Sabbath violation. In the discussion that followed he denied neither one. Therefore we can only conclude that Jesus is the least in the kingdom of Heaven.
And the 4 gospels are largely OT books. Since during the time of Jesus ministry, the Jews were still under the law.

 

[Cribstyl]

Faith without works (obedience) is dead.

Many people are ignorant to what James is talking about. They have reason to ignor Paul's teaching that the law has nothing to do with faith Gal 3:12
and that faith is not of work of the law. Gal 2:16
James words can be misunderstood.
James gives 3 examples to explain what he meant by
"Faith without works is dead."


Abraham was not under the law. (scriptures proves that the law came 430yrs after)
The works of His faith is explained as the action that he took based on "hearing God's word to Him. Offering Isaac is not related to keeping the law. It's related hearing and believing God's word and taking action......Jam 2:21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?


Rahab was a Philistine harlot, she was not under the law.
She heard that God was with Israel and not her mighty Philistine nation. She believed that God was with Israel. Her faith was her action to hide the spies.

Jam 2:25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?

The third example that James give is the devils .
The devils are not under the law.
They know what God word say about their end. So their act of faith is to tremble

Jam 2:19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[phoenixdem]

Question: I go to church on Sunday, not Saturday. Does that mean that God condemns me and I will go to Hell?

 

[ChrisCarol]

Originally Posted by ChrisCarol

The Bible says:
John 3:14-16
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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What does the Bible say is faith by itself?

John 16:
26 Jesus answered them and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.” 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” 30 So they said to Him, “What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work do You perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘HE GAVE THEM BREAD OUT OF HEAVEN TO EAT.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is [i]that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.” 34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, always give us this bread.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

The Gospel of John is an awesome book. I would encourage anyone to read it asking The Holy Spirit to guide you into all Truth.

 

[Stryder06]

the criteria for judgment is faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior

That sir, is the criteria for the beginning of salvation. Not for judgment.

 

[street preacher]

If

 

[street preacher]

No one will not go to hell if one worship on sunday but the bible has predicted that the papacy the beast power will enforce a world wide nation sunday law that SATAN WILL use sø the world can wonder after the beast revealation 13,in 1888 A.T.Jones defeated seneter Blair when he tried threw congress to pass the sunday law Bill again revelation 13,and Daniel .7:25 explains who this power is and who and where its gets its power from again i say in love matters like theses need to be committed to prayer and much study

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

it depends on how works are defined, is it obedience to the commandments or helping those in need...

The Law of Love includes both.. it is Christ in you and through you. Doing as Jesus did and thought... doing the works of love and kindness towards others as well as following the commandments as Jesus followed His Fathers cammandments through the power of prayer.