The King James Bible

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No Scriptural support at all, sorry.
That's okay, Mark -- no need to apologize.

Like I said, it's pretty avant-garde and I welcome your opinon!

If I don't talk to you again, I pray you and yours have a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
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I'll answer this question the way I've seen others answer it:

I don't think the King James is a better version, I think the King James is the only version.

To answer your question another way: I think God has specific versions for specific time periods.

The Geneva Bible, for example, was God's choice for the Pilgrims when they came to America.

Thus, had I have been a pilgrim, I would have been GBO, or Geneva Bible Only.

Had I lived in the 1400s, I would have been ASVO, or Anglo-Saxon Version Only.

So, God's Inerrant and Unchanging Word changes with the flavor of the month??
 
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For example, I believe God's main language is English, and we are all going to speak English in Heaven; and I also believe they all spoke English, until the tower of Babel put a stop to the English language.

Moses therefore, would have had to have the assistance of translating the first part of the book of Genesis, which was written in English, into Hebrew -- (unless someone did it ahead of time, like Abraham).

And that's my 2¢ -- ;)

And once again we see that you guys believe whatever you want to believe and not what makes sense to believe. Its really just a matter of convenience. Then you tell us its "Truth."
 
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So its not the Truth? Is Verbal Plenary Inspiration the Truth? Because the way I see it, its all part of the same convenience package.
You lump verbal plenary inspiration in with a point that I clearly said was my 2¢ worth?

And a doosey of 2¢ at that?

Evangelicals see the Bible as a truly human product whose creation was superintended by the Holy Spirit, preserving the authors' works from error without eliminating their specific concerns, situation, or style. This divine involvement, they say, allowed the biblical writer to reveal God's own message to the immediate recipients of the writings and to those who would come later, communicating God's message without corrupting it. Some Evangelicals have sought to characterize the conservative or traditional view as verbal, plenary inspiration in the original manuscripts, by which they mean that every word (not just the overarching ideas or concepts) is meaningfully chosen under the superintendence of God.
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So its not the Truth? Is Verbal Plenary Inspiration the Truth? Because the way I see it, its all part of the same convenience package.

Oh, so your only interested in the epistemology. I think what you are asking is how can I 'know' truth, the literal meaning of 'science'. I don't know what you think is so convenient about the 'truth' of God as revealed both in nature and the New Testament. The wrath of God is not what I would call, 'convenient'.

Do you really think that Christians are simply consoling themselves with the Scriptures over the fear of death or some such? There is a living history there that perhaps your not meant to understand, or perhaps you deliberately ignore the truth right in front of you. This guy did:

"What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. (John 18:38)​

He could see the innocence but could not find justice, I sometimes wonder if he wasn't asking what good is it to know if you can't do anything about it.

Anyway, this whole thing is philosophical, not religious not scientific. We might actually accomplish something in these discussions if you would accept that obvious fact and drop the fallacious death by a thousand quips.

Have a nice day :)
Mark
 
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That's okay, Mark -- no need to apologize.

Like I said, it's pretty avant-garde and I welcome your opinon!

If I don't talk to you again, I pray you and yours have a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Well, the history of the early translations of the Bible into English is very interesting. If you check into it William Tyndale had translated most of it by the time the Protestants got together in Geneva, the Geneva Bible is based on his work.

A very Merry Christmas to you as well. If you have the patience for the Elizabethan style of the KJV I say more power to you. ;)

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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You lump verbal plenary inspiration in with a point that I clearly said was my 2¢ worth?

And a doosey of 2¢ at that?

Yes, I do. I never said you invented V.P.I., nor did I claim you were alone in believing it. You are just taking the convenience package a little further than most do.
 
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Oh, so your only interested in the epistemology. I think what you are asking is how can I 'know' truth, the literal meaning of 'science'. I don't know what you think is so convenient about the 'truth' of God as revealed both in nature and the New Testament. The wrath of God is not what I would call, 'convenient'.

Do you really think that Christians are simply consoling themselves with the Scriptures over the fear of death or some such? There is a living history there that perhaps your not meant to understand, or perhaps you deliberately ignore the truth right in front of you. This guy did:

"What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. (John 18:38)​

He could see the innocence but could not find justice, I sometimes wonder if he wasn't asking what good is it to know if you can't do anything about it.

Anyway, this whole thing is philosophical, not religious not scientific. We might actually accomplish something in these discussions if you would accept that obvious fact and drop the fallacious death by a thousand quips.

Have a nice day :)
Mark
It's not about quips or epistemology. It's about an attitude toward scripture that is based on taking the easy way. How many times have creationists here posted, "well if the bible isn't all literal, how are we supposed to know which parts are literal and which are not?" Sorry if it isn't easy for you guys. One thing you can do, is not interpret scripture in a way that contradicts reality. If that makes things harder, than too bad. I see V.P.I. as an institutionalized method of taking the easy way. If everything in scripture is as if written down by God himself, then that takes a lot of the difficulty of interpreting it out, doesn't it? But that's not reality. The bible is, at best, man's reflection of an imperfect understanding of God. The problem you guys have with that is that it leaves too many grey areas for you. You want black and white... right and wrong... good vs evil. That's why you impose this straight-jacket of divine inerrancy on scripture. Despite the simple fact it is a work of Man, not God.. and no work of Man is inerrant.

And that's my two cents.
 
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Will it be spoken with an American or British accent?
English was the language of the Anglo-Saxtons not the British. The British was a very small group of people. But when the Romans were in England they defended the country for the British. Then when the Romans left the Anglo Saxtons moved in and took over the country. Later on Normans moved in also.
 
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English was the language of the Anglo-Saxtons not the British. The British was a very small group of people. But when the Romans were in England they defended the country for the British. Then when the Romans left the Anglo Saxtons moved in and took over the country. Later on Normans moved in also.

Oh, and that's why it's the language spoken in heaven? It's Anglo Saxon by the way, not Saxton. Catholics (which I think are also Christian) seem to think Latin is the language spoken in heaven.
 
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Oh, and that's why it's the language spoken in heaven? It's Anglo Saxon by the way, not Saxton. Catholics (which I think are also Christian) seem to think Latin is the language spoken in heaven.
So? what language do you think is spoken in Heaven?
 
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Interesting, to say the least.

I still go with English though.

Some people believe that the King James English is not any language ever spoken on earth -- not even in Shakespeare's plays, and that that is the language we will all speak in eternity future.

My pastor believes we will spend all eternity studying the King James Bible under the tutelage of Jesus Christ, and still never be able to comprehend It totally; which would require the attribute of omniscience, which only God possesses.
 
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Interesting, to say the least.

I still go with English though.

Some people believe that the King James English is not any language ever spoken on earth -- not even in Shakespeare's plays, and that that is the language we will all speak in eternity future.

I love the renaissance fair, but I don't think I want to live there for all eternity.
 
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This goes way beyond anything I have heard before, we know creationism damages the brain but this takes the biscuit.

Islam can be distorted by extremists to allow anything to be done in it's name but what about this? what needs to be done to a brain to get it to believe extreme craziness like this? it's not just wrong it's mind blowingly wrong,
carry a gun?? with people like this around I would never leave my Abrams tank at least not until I got to the airport on my way out of there.

We know there are some ding dongs in the US [Scientology, Mormons] but have you ever seen Christianity as far out in space as this.
My, my, my -- and all I said was that I believe Adam spoke a language that later came to be used by the largest empire on the face of the earth -- you know, where the sun never set?

Then someone goes haywire and starts yakking about guns and tanks?

I wonder who the real ding dong is, eh?
 
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My, my, my -- and all I said was that I believe Adam spoke a language that later came to be used by the largest empire on the face of the earth -- you know, where the sun never set?

The largest empire on the face of the earth? You mean the Roman Empire? The Mongol Empire? Or one of the Chinese Dynasties?
 
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The largest empire on the face of the earth? You mean the Roman Empire? The Mongol Empire? Or one of the Chinese Dynasties?
The British Empire, chief -- the sun never sits on the British Empire.
 
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