What is death?

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What about the transfiguration as it relates to the topic?

What about it?

The transfiguration was not literal, it was a vision.

Mat. 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”

So Jesus said. I believe Him, don't you?
 
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Me thinketh some study is in order for you concerning the topic of a requirement for people being in the morgue for 3 days. Has nothing to do with religious ideas on death.

The point was, where do you think it came from? Stay with me...Please read the post thoroughly.
 
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Me thinketh some study is in order for you concerning the topic of a requirement for people being in the morgue for 3 days. Has nothing to do with religious ideas on death.

Me thinketh some studying might be in order so you fully understand the importance of why three days and three nights...
 
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What about it?

The transfiguration was not literal, it was a vision.

Mat. 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”

So Jesus said. I believe Him, don't you?

thank you!!! give you a clap :clap:
 
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just admit it;

picking and choosing

The same could be said about those who pick and choose what teaching of paul's they want to obey. And James has some good teaching also.



1Co_7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Jas_5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
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The same could be said about those who pick and choose what teaching of paul's they want to obey. And James has some good teaching also.



1Co_7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Jas_5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

i agree
 
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What about it?

The transfiguration was not literal, it was a vision.

Mat. 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”

So Jesus said. I believe Him, don't you?
I guess that would hinge on what you think the word vision means. Here is what I found - that which is seen, spectacle. Now I suppose you would mean a vision in the sense of a dream. There is no indication of such in either narrative found in Matthew or Mark. The disciples were active participants in the episode. So I guess one can say it was a viosion in the sense of a dream or altared state of mind if they wish. The law forbids necromancy. Jesus couldn't have been talking to dead people. Jesus was transfigured and then Moses and Elias appeared and conversed.
 
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I guess that would hinge on what you think the word vision means. Here is what I found - that which is seen, spectacle. Now I suppose you would mean a vision in the sense of a dream. There is no indication of such in either narrative found in Matthew or Mark. The disciples were active participants in the episode. So I guess one can say it was a viosion in the sense of a dream or altared state of mind if they wish. The law forbids necromancy. Jesus couldn't have been talking to dead people. Jesus was transfigured and then Moses and Elias appeared and conversed.


Numbers 12:6(NKJV)
6Then He said, “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream.




Acts 10:9-17(NKJV)
9The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.10Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.” 15And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again. 17Now while Peter wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon’s house, and stood before the gate.
 
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Moses died and no one knows where he was buried,
but we know that his "body was in dispute in heaven.
implies bodily resurretion.

Elijah did not die, and was taken bodily to heaven.

of course, these are the exceptions,
and i think the best candidates for the two olive trees of Rev11
 
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Moses died and no one knows where he was buried,
but we know that his "body was in dispute in heaven.
implies bodily resurretion.

Elijah did not die, and was taken bodily to heaven.

of course, these are the exceptions,
and i think the best candidates for the two olive trees of Rev11


John 3:13(NKJV)
13No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
 
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and no one has ascended....of his own....
nor does anyone else sit at God's right hand in Heaven.
not even David.
but there is plently of biblial proof for what ever remains after flesh death, as existing and being very much awake in heaven

it is the dead's state before the resurrection.

but everyone that has died in the flesh, is there today.



24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.




13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:





35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:





3And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.





9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.






10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.




9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.



8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.



16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
 
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I guess that would hinge on what you think the word vision means. Here is what I found - that which is seen, spectacle. Now I suppose you would mean a vision in the sense of a dream. There is no indication of such in either narrative found in Matthew or Mark. The disciples were active participants in the episode. So I guess one can say it was a viosion in the sense of a dream or altared state of mind if they wish. The law forbids necromancy. Jesus couldn't have been talking to dead people. Jesus was transfigured and then Moses and Elias appeared and conversed.

I think Johnrabbit was clear in his post showing what a vision is....but I see you have posted the definition from Strongs Concordance...but you left out the part "especially supernatural"...

As far as the disciples, they were active participants of the event; but not participants in the vision...Jesus while praying was transfigured...and the disciples woke to see Jesus in his glory, and two men with him, Elijah and Moses...Christ was preparing for His own departure which would soon happen in Jerusalem...Then the disciples (physical humans) became sorely afraid...The disciples Peter, John and James did not speak to Elijah or Moses!

Why the vision? They were being given proof of the resurrection from the dead...proof that it would occur...see Mark 9:10 "And they kept the saying, questioning among themselves what the rising again from the dead should mean." Then they questioned Him about Moses and Elijah...

It was a supernatural vision...

You can find it in Mark 9, Matt 17 and Luke 9
 
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and no one has ascended....of his own....
nor does anyone else sit at God's right hand in Heaven.
not even David.
but there is plently of biblial proof for what ever remains after flesh death, as existing and being very much awake in heaven

it is the dead's state before the resurrection.

but everyone that has died in the flesh, is there today.

ok zeke,

speaking to abraham, God said this:


Genesis 15:15(NKJV)
15Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.

and here's what israel said:

Genesis 47:30(NKJV)
30but let me lie with my fathers; you shall carry me out of Egypt and bury me in their burial place.” And he said, “I will do as you have said.”

where are the fathers?

Genesis 49:29(NKJV)
29Then he charged them and said to them: “I am to be gathered to my people; bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,

also God said to moses:

Deuteronomy 31:16(NKJV)
16And the Lord said to Moses: “Behold, you will rest with your fathers; and this people will rise and play the harlot with the gods of the foreigners of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake Me and break My covenant which I have made with them.

so, where are the fathers, zeke?
 
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