Christians celebrate birthdays?

[Rick Otto]

quote=Incariol;There's something surreal about birthdays being talked about this seriously.

Ok.

Jesus' first miracle was to create more wine for a wedding party. I mean, really. I don't think Jesus is going to smite you for commemorating the anniversary of someone's birth.

No one else thinks so either, so why give it any attention? How about addressing the OP?

That is one of the most absurd things I have heard on this forum.

That it is on this forum is the most absurd thiong you could suggest. Want to try reading the thread & quoting the person who thought Jesus would smite anyone?
Thank you in advance for your kind attention.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

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In Genesis the creator made the heavens, the world in darkness, and then created "light". What if the creator of flesh is the devil?

This doctrine you espouse is "gnostic dualism", which doctrine is as pagan as pagan gets, and it started a long time before the Christian Church was established on Christ come in flesh as the Foundation Stone of second temple of human being flesh made for the Glory to indwell.
The human being body of flesh is the temple for the Glory of the Unseen Father to indwell, which Adam was made to bear, as the first temple not made with hands [Haggai 2], and fell in ruin for that Glory to indwell, at the fall; and which lost, ruined/defiled, Adam flesh temple Christ is come [present tense] in the second creation human being flesh body [named Israel -Isaiah 49], as the Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam, so as to ransom the human being flesh body of the Adam kin back, for the Glory.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=yeshuasavedme; Birthdays were always marked by whatever means the family and friends wished to mark them by, from the beginning of time.

You say so on the internet so it must be true?

The OP is not into reading ancient histories and records but wants to bring the bondage...

You are reading into the OP with rabid paranoia. Stop that. Stop it right now. I WILL tell your mother what you're up to.

...of gnostic dualism doctrines to Christians, which doctrines deny that God made the human being body of flesh. This is rooted in ancient pagan doctrines, and has no place in the Gospel of Christ.

You almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about.

The ascetic doctrines of the Gnostics were utterly condemned by Paul and by many of the early Church leaders.

 

[seashale76]

Where do you think birthdays originated?
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Is it wrong for Christians to celebrate it?
Please, explain your view.

Peace.

Well, when a man and a woman love each other very much...

...nine months later sometimes a little bundle of joy comes into the world.

Then, every year the sentimental mothers and fathers of the world may say, 'don't you remember when he/she was yay big this time last year- time flies- our little girl/boy is growing up so fast', etcetera. These times were marked for events that also dictated when one became an adult. It's likely only significant birthdays were celebrated. People just like to throw parties sometimes- we don't have to be dour all the time. 'Course, I didn't do a google search to look up the history. I'll tell you what- no matter the origin- it isn't wrong for a Christian to celebrate a birthday. It's a practice easily consecrated to Christ- if you will. But don't get crazy.

 

[eachallberg]

...Jesus' first miracle was to create more wine for a wedding party. I mean, really. I don't think Jesus is going to smite you for commemorating the anniversary of someone's birth...

According to one author... And i've spoken with enough alcoholics to hear that.
Im glad you think that.

That is one of the most absurd things I have heard on this forum.

I've said more absurd things, so I know you haven't really looked around on this forum then.

Peace be to you.

 

[Jipsah]

It signifies the root cause.

So you believe that the "root cause" of people celebrating the birth days of loved ones is that someone somewhere or the other at some point did so because of astrology? I think that's a crock. And even if it were true, what difference would it make?

"Back in 416 BC, Bob used to eat carrots, and Bob believed in a Carrot God. Ergo we mustn't eat carrots." Is that the sort of thing we're babbling about? A pox on long-dead Bob and his imaginary carrot god! Pass the carrots.

Don't be scared to expose evil.

Hubris is evil.

 

[Incariol]

Ok.
No one else thinks so either, so why give it any attention? How about addressing the OP?

Nah, no thanks. This thread is out to five pages, so I think I'll address the conversation as it is occurring rather than old hat.

That it is on this forum is the most absurd thiong you could suggest. Want to try reading the thread & quoting the person who thought Jesus would smite anyone?
Thank you in advance for your kind attention.

*yawn* I was calling absurd the statement that saying "Thank God for my wife" is putting the wife above God. Did you really not catch on to that?

 

[eachallberg]

I never did.

Ok, I still think your a nice guy, and i'm still keeping your picture in my wallet no matter what.

Peace.

 

[eachallberg]

so birthday parties were not celibrated by early christians, but it is now celibrated

well I do not think anyone in this thread has shown where Christians first started celibrating birthdays

the assumption seems to be that because it was done by pagans that when Christians celibrate brthdays that they were influenced by paganism, could it not have came from some other origen? A thing that developed in Christianity independant of the pagan birthday parties?
it is like when people see pyramids in egypt and in south america, people try to link the two cultures together but it is possible that they both just invented the pyramid independant of eachother
same with birthdays, because it was done by pagans does not mean that the celibration of birthdays in christian cultures evolved from the pagan celibration

Hi Rhamiel,
Great post, thanks for contributing.

The ratio of their height to the perimeter of their base are both based on the mathematical ratio 'pi'. The perimeter of the base of the pyramid of the sun is 4pi times its height, the great pyramid of gizas base perimeter is 2pi times its height. The mathematical ratio 'pi' is based on knowledge of geometry, so the use of 'pi' implies knowledge of sophisticated mathematics.
The hebrew language doesn't have the word coincidence. This hear nor there lets just stick to the million dollar question, when did Christians start celebrating their birthday? As stated in the beginning of this thread by a kind brother; "In American society, a birthday is an expression of appreciation of the person being honored. It's a good thing." I asked him; who is the person being honored? I don't recall him giving an answer.

America has a giant pagan statue in New York harbor, and most people say that too is a good thing.

"all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father who has sent him."

Peace.

 

[eachallberg]

Birthdays were always marked by whatever means the family and friends wished to mark them by, from the beginning of time.

How do you know this? Im still waiting on your source of birthday parties having something to do with the symbolic book of life referenced in revelation. I'm really confused how you make these connections.

The OP is not into reading ancient histories and records but wants to bring the bondage of gnostic dualism doctrines to Christians, which doctrines deny that God made the human being body of flesh. This is rooted in ancient pagan doctrines, and has no place in the Gospel of Christ.

The ascetic doctrines of the Gnostics were utterly condemned by Paul and by many of the early Church leaders.

Ok, please try and play nice. I quoted the Bible, and asked a question about another verse that explicitly relates to it. You don't know what the op reads, nor do you know what he wants. Genesis is rooted in canaanite culture specifically the epic of Gilgamesh, and thats one thing.
Paul condemned himself?

"We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature..."
(1 Corinthians 2:6)
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I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.
(2 Corinthians 11:6)
Paul maybe a esoteric gnostic and thats another.

Touch not; taste not; handle not;

2nd time you quoted this.

You left out verse 17, "...the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Colossians 3:1-17 in my eyes nullifies what you quoted. Paul has a tendency to do that in his letters i.e. Romans 7 (slave) v.s. 8 (free).

You mentioned gnosticism and quoted whats after Colossians 2:15...

Because your heart doesn't condemn you for not touching, tasting, or handling forbidding knowledge your able to discover who the powers, or rulers, or authorities really are. Heres a start... http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

Thank you again for replying, your all so kind for insulting and excluding me.

Peace.

 

[eachallberg]

..what difference would it make?

None, because it is what it is.

All men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father who has sent him.

As he that binds a stone in a sling, so is he that gives honor to a fool.


Peace.

 

[eachallberg]

Nah, no thanks. This thread is out to five pages, so I think I'll address the conversation as it is occurring rather than old hat.

With whom did birthday celebrations originate?

I was calling absurd the statement that saying "Thank God for my wife" is putting the wife above God. Did you really not catch on to that?

Thank God for my savior Jesus Christ.

I hope everyone caught that better.
Peace.

 

[Incariol]

Thank God for my savior Jesus Christ.

I hope everyone caught that better.
Peace.

*blank stare*

Ok then.

 

[eachallberg]

*blank stare*

Ok then.

I had the same reaction too when I figured out the origin of birthdays.

Incariol your so considerate, thank you so much.
Peace mercy and grace be to you through Christ.

 

[Freedom63]

This thread really illustrates the propensity of so many Christians to make an issue out of non issues and to do so with a great deal of self righteous indignation. LOL

 

[brinny]

God is a God of celebration. Celebrations are GOOD things. He is GOOD! Praise His name!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

America has a giant pagan statue in New York harbor, and most people say that too is a good thing.

So who burns incense to it and prays to it and seeks its utterances and blessings????
Absurd!
Did you know that the Ark of the covenant has two golden Cherubim on top of it, and that God told Moses it was to be made that way?

 

[Jipsah]

As he that binds a stone in a sling, so is he that gives honor to a fool.

Honor duly withheld.

 

[Jipsah]

This thread really illustrates the propensity of so many Christians to make an issue out of non issues and to do so with a great deal of self righteous indignation. LOL

We are, as a group, really into majoring in the minors. And it's always great fun finding a minute speck in a brother's eye and insisting on extracting it for him. Nemmind the telephone pole projecting from our own eye...

I think a thread called "Sins That You Commit That I Don't" or "Why I'm A Better Christian Than You Are". That's what most, if not aall, of this neo-pharisee dreck is about. It's about Christian one-upsmanship. "Oh, you celebrate birthdays? How very pagan of you! But God may not send you to hell for it, even though He hates it. Glad I never do that..." And of course, the other guy's sin is always much, much worse than your own, even if it's a made-up sin.

 

[Rick Otto]

So much for righteous indignation.
Thou shall not frown @ birthdays!
I get the message.
The Sacred Cow lives.
Mention it, & you are a hateful traitor to our Party God.

No problem.