Gentiles 101

[stinsonmarri]

Crib:

What I want you and others to understand is that everything is not about the Jews or the Gentiles. Yahweh came to all three of Noah son's asking them to follow His word. The first of the son's seed that was chosen was the Canaanites. When most of them turned away from Yahweh Abraham was called to take over their land. This land was very important and I will not get into that at this time. Sodom and her sister cities were destroyed because they knew Yahweh and became totally out rageous with sin. Tyre also was a Canaanite city and it was judged as well. Afrikan nations also knew Yahweh and because of sin lost out on many things. Egypt was black but lost their idenity because of their refusal to except Yahweh. Israel was not the only ones who were curse but was promise restoration and where so many have misunderstanding is this all of these things are in the Bible. But most do not know this at all. The Greeks at first did not accept Yahweh which are actually known as the Gentiles like the Corithians, Thessalonians, Galatians and other letters that were written to them. Japheth descendents were the last to receive the gospel that is what I am saying. The Jews and the Afrikans mix and mingle together for centuries have you been to Israel, I have and you would be surprise!!!

Paul was showing the Greeks that they too would become grafted into the same branch that was offered to the Jews and others. Job was not a Jew, Queen of Sheba was not a Jew, Elijah was not a Jew. That is why I explain to you earlier that they same law applied to all of us. So many people had joined into the Jewish faith due to Joseph, Abraham, Jacob, his other sons and many more. The Giddeonites were Canaanites and were accepted by Joshua into the camp. A mix multitude came out of Egypt, the Jews did not destroy all of the Canaanites instead they married them against Yahweh's wishes. Like the Canaanite who had 430 years to change the Jews had 490 years more to get right. Yahweh is fair to all of us and he has given Japheth children the final time. When the Time of Trouble begins it will be it for earth period. I am not a Gentile, you are if you are Indo-European, Chinese are not, Arabians are not, Afrikans are not, but Russians are, Macedonians are, British are and so on. That is the lesson I bring which is both historical and Biblical.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib:

What I want you and others to understand is that everything is not about the Jews or the Gentiles. Yahweh came to all three of Noah son's asking them to follow His word. The first of the son's seed that was chosen was the Canaanites. When most of them turned away from Yahweh Abraham was called to take over their land. This land was very important and I will not get into that at this time. Sodom and her sister cities were destroyed because they knew Yahweh and became totally out rageous with sin. Tyre also was a Canaanite city and it was judged as well. Afrikan nations also knew Yahweh and because of sin lost out on many things. Egypt was black but lost their idenity because of their refusal to except Yahweh. Israel was not the only ones who were curse but was promise restoration and where so many have misunderstanding is this all of these things are in the Bible. But most do not know this at all. The Greeks at first did not accept Yahweh which are actually known as the Gentiles like the Corithians, Thessalonians, Galatians and other letters that were written to them. Japheth descendents were the last to receive the gospel that is what I am saying. The Jews and the Afrikans mix and mingle together for centuries have you been to Israel, I have and you would be surprise!!!

I need you to show me where besides Gen 9 that God ask Noah sons to follow His word.

Paul was showing the Greeks that they too would become grafted into the same branch that was offered to the Jews and others.

I believe that Paul explained that that Gentiles would be grafted into the root, not the broken off branch which are the Jews.

Job was not a Jew, Queen of Sheba was not a Jew, Elijah was not a Jew. That is why I explain to you earlier that they same law applied to all of us. So many people had joined into the Jewish faith due to Joseph, Abraham, Jacob, his other sons and many more. The Giddeonites were Canaanites and were accepted by Joshua into the camp. A mix multitude came out of Egypt, the Jews did not destroy all of the Canaanites instead they married them against Yahweh's wishes. Like the Canaanite who had 430 years to change the Jews had 490 years more to get right. Yahweh is fair to all of us and he has given Japheth children the final time. When the Time of Trouble begins it will be it for earth period. I am not a Gentile, you are if you are Indo-European, Chinese are not, Arabians are not, Afrikans are not, but Russians are, Macedonians are, British are and so on. That is the lesson I bring which is both historical and Biblical.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

How can you prove that Elijah was not a Jew?

 

[stinsonmarri]

Crib:​

You said: I think you're misunderstanding Heb 4. If "them" implies the Children of Israel you cant say "the beginning" means at creation. Paul said no such thing. I've read Heb4 a time or two. I think you need to read it again.​

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ​

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And Elohim did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:3, 4​

We who believe, then, do receive that rest which Elohim promised. It is just as he said, "I was angry and made a solemn promise: 'They will never enter the land where I would have given them rest!' " He said this even though his work had been finished from the time he created the world. (GNB) Heb 4:4​

We who believe are entering that place of rest. As Elohim said, "So I angrily took a solemn oath that they would never enter my place of rest." Elohim said this even though he had finished his work when he created the world. (GW) Heb 4: 4​

Only we who believe it are able to enter Elohim's place of rest. As Elohim said, "I was angry and made a promise: 'They will never enter my place of rest.'" But Elohim's work was finished from the time he made the world. (ERV) Heb 4: 4

Only people who have faith will enter the place of rest. It is just as the Scriptures say, "Elohim became angry and told the people, 'You will never enter my place of rest!' " Elohim said this, even though everything has been ready from the time of creation. (CEV) Heb 4: 4​

Prof. Robinson (Lexicon) explains it as meaning, “The rest here spoken of, ‘my rest,’ could not have been Elohim’s resting from his works Gen 2:2, for this rest, the Sabbath, had already existed from the creation of the world.” Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible​

And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made. Gen 2:3​

I just want you to I know about the lies to imply all of a sudden that Yashua was Joshua but I have the original translation of Nestle in the Greek. Paul a gifted writer that wrote in education grandeur and gifted in many languages with excellent grammar would write backwards!!! Give me a break translator's fix up to hide the truth about the Sabbath but you can't. Skilled Biblical historian would immediately see the cover up and we have. Paul was talking about the Savior because no one else had the authority to change the day but another Elohim or the Son of the Most High. However He came to fulfill to complete how the Law of Yahweh was to be obeyed and He became our example.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Crib:​

You stated: I need you to show me where besides Gen 9 that Elohim ask Noah sons to follow His word.​

And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between Elohim and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. Gen 9:9, 16 ​

And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high Elohim. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high Elohim, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high Elohim, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Gen 14:13, 18-20​

And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. ​

But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Gen 15:13-16 ​

And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar. And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah. But Elohim came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife. But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Yahweh, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? Gen 20:1-4​

For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. Ex 23:23 ​

Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto Elohim. Psa 68:31​

For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YAHWEH, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. Zep 3:9, 10​

And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Act 8:27 ​

A bold competition with Elohim. It is Elohim 's prerogative to be universal monarch, Master of all, and King of kings; the man that aims at it offers to step into the throne of Elohim, who will not give his glory to another. Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible​

To make us a name, then, is not so much the cry of the multitude as of the few, with Nimrod at their head, who alone could expect what is not common, but distinctive. It is here artfully inserted, however, in the popular exclamation, as the people are prone to imagine the glory even of the despot to be reflected on themselves.​

The social bond, the tie of kinsmanship, the wish for personal safety, the desire to be independent, perhaps even of Elohim, the thirst for absolute power, all plead for union; but it is union for selfish ends. Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible​

I believe that Paul explained that that Gentiles would be grafted into the root, not the broken off branch which are the Jews.​

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Rom 3:9 ​

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Rom 9:24​

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert gaffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be gaffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if Elohim spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of Elohim: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be gaffed in: for Elohim is able to Graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert gaffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be gaffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away unrighteousness from Jacob: Rom 11:16-26​

Only some of the branches removed the disciples were Jews and with Paul became the apostles so how could all of the Jews be cut off? Never as a nation but as individuals which we all must do in order to be save.​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Crib:​

You stated: How can you prove that Elijah was not a Jew?​

If you would notice what I said was that Elijah was not a Jew because during his time the Kingdom of Israel had separated from Judah.Yehûdî; Aramaic Yehûday; Gr. Ioudaios; Akkadian Yaûdai is a term used for the citizens or subjects of the kingdom of Judah. The ten tribes had apostatized to the false deities of Canaanites of Ham descendants who were black! ​

Joseph married Asenath the daughter of Potiphera who was priest of On (Gen 41:50, 51) Egyptian. Joseph and Asenath oldest son was named Manasseh and Marcher the grandson of Manasseh birth Gilead. The Tishbites came from Gilead but had turn away from Elohim and mixed and mingle with the Canaanites but Elijah particularly called obey Yahweh and became His prophet. What I said was clear Elijah was not a Jew (Judah) but a convert of the original Canaanites or inhabitant that Israel did not destroy but lived together. Ahad who was king during the time of Elijah wife was a Phoenician princess Jezebel who was a Canaanite or black woman! ​

Many biblical scholars have provided the truth as to who Elijah most likely was a Canaanite convert. He was a foreigner or stranger who resided in Gilead. However many modern versions have deliberately refuse to mention this fact by not accurately translating the Hebrew word towshab. The translators of the King James Bible have carefully rendered this word inhabitants but not in any of the other text of the Old Testament that uses this word. The words inhabit, inhabitant, inhabitants, inhabited, inhabiters, inhabitest, inhabiteth, inhabiting occurs in many other places in the K JV and in some more than once. Interesting that none of them are translated from the Hebrew word towshab like this except in 1 Kings 17:1 speaking about Elijah the Tishbite. In other Scriptures this word was correctly translated sojourner, stranger, foreigner. Numbers 35:15, Lev 25:6​

The sojourners were distinguished from the children of Israel and therefore the word sojourner denotes someone who was other than a Jew or an Israelite. The sojourner was a foreigner or stranger. This is the implication in every text the word towshab appears in the King James Bible. But the same Hebrew word was also translated stranger in Leviticus 25:6: ​

The word proselyte comes from Latin proselytus which comes from Greek proselytos and means stranger, religious convert Collier’s Dictionary, p. 804

And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As YAHWEH Elohim of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. 1 Ki 17:1​

Blessing,​

stinsonmarri

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib:​

You said: I think you're misunderstanding Heb 4. If "them" implies the Children of Israel you cant say "the beginning" means at creation. Paul said no such thing. I've read Heb4 a time or two. I think you need to read it again.​

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ​

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And Elohim did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:3, 4​

(GNB) We who believe, then, do receive that rest which Elohim promised. It is just as he said, "I was angry and made a solemn promise: 'They will never enter the land where I would have given them rest!' " He said this even though his work had been finished from the time he created the world. (GNB) Heb 4:4​

We who believe are entering that place of rest. As Elohim said, "So I angrily took a solemn oath that they would never enter my place of rest." Elohim said this even though he had finished his work when he created the world. (GW) Heb 4: 4​

Only we who believe it are able to enter Elohim's place of rest. As Elohim said, "I was angry and made a promise: 'They will never enter my place of rest.'" But Elohim's work was finished from the time he made the world. (ERV) Heb 4: 4

Only people who have faith will enter the place of rest. It is just as the Scriptures say, "Elohim became angry and told the people, 'You will never enter my place of rest!' " Elohim said this, even though everything has been ready from the time of creation. (CEV) Heb 4: 4​

Prof. Robinson (Lexicon) explains it as meaning, “The rest here spoken of, ‘my rest,’ could not have been Elohim’s resting from his works Gen 2:2, for this rest, the Sabbath, had already existed from the creation of the world.” Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible​

And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made. Gen 2:3​

I just want you to I know about the lies to imply all of a sudden that Yashua was Joshua but I have the original translation of Nestle in the Greek. Paul a gifted writer that wrote in education grandeur and gifted in many languages with excellent grammar would write backwards!!! Give me a break translator's fix up to hide the truth about the Sabbath but you can't. Skilled Biblical historian would immediately see the cover up and we have. Paul was talking about the Savior because no one else had the authority to change the day but another Elohim or the Son of the Most High. However He can to fulfill to complete how the Law of Yahweh was to be obeyed and He became our example.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Wow, that's what I call a screwball.

#1. Why are you responding from the "I've failed at diplomacy thread" (post #24 )? (this is confusing.)

#2. Why did you combine 3 of my reponses together as one in this post? (This is confusing part II)

Here were my responses to your remarks

Originally Posted by Stinsonmarri

Paul also said in Hebrew that "them," before the Jews was mixed with faith because they would not enter into Yahweh's rest that He gave from the beginning.....
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Originally Posted by crib

" I think you're misunderstanding Heb 4. If "them" implies the Children of Israel you cant say "the beginning" means at creation. "​

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Originally Posted by stinsonmarri
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.....Paul finish by saying if Yashua wanted to change Yahweh His Father's rest day He would have said so.......

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Originally Posted by crib

Paul said no such thing.​

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Originally Posted by stinsonmarri
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....Read Hebrew Chapter four. I had to comment my friend.

Originally Posted by crib
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I've read Heb4 a time or two. I think you need to read it again.
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#3. Why are you quoting a Professor who is qouting from Albert Barnes, who is commenting on a scripture that says the opposite of what he's saying, in most known translations?
Here is the easiest version

Hebrews 4

Promised Rest for God’s People

1 God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. 2 For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God.[a] 3 For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said,
“In my anger I took an oath:
‘They will never enter my place of rest,’”[b]
even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. 4 We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.”[c] 5 But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.”[d]
6 So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. 7 So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted:
“Today when you hear his voice,
don’t harden your hearts.”[e] 8 Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. 9 So there is a special rest[f] still waiting for the people of God. 10 For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. 11 So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib:​

You stated: I need you to show me where besides Gen 9 that Elohim ask Noah sons to follow His word.​

And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between Elohim and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. Gen 9:9, 16 ​

And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high Elohim. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high Elohim, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high Elohim, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Gen 14:13, 18-20​

And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. ​

But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Gen 15:13-16 ​

And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar. And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah. But Elohim came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife. But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Yahweh, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? Gen 20:1-4​

For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. Ex 23:23 ​

Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto Elohim. Psa 68:31​

For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YAHWEH, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering. Zep 3:9, 10​

And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, Act 8:27 ​

A bold competition with Elohim. It is Elohim 's prerogative to be universal monarch, Master of all, and King of kings; the man that aims at it offers to step into the throne of Elohim, who will not give his glory to another. Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible​

To make us a name, then, is not so much the cry of the multitude as of the few, with Nimrod at their head, who alone could expect what is not common, but distinctive. It is here artfully inserted, however, in the popular exclamation, as the people are prone to imagine the glory even of the despot to be reflected on themselves.​

The social bond, the tie of kinsmanship, the wish for personal safety, the desire to be independent, perhaps even of Elohim, the thirst for absolute power, all plead for union; but it is union for selfish ends. Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible​

I believe that Paul explained that that Gentiles would be grafted into the root, not the broken off branch which are the Jews.​

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Rom 3:9 ​

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Rom 9:24​

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert gaffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be gaffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if Elohim spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of Elohim: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be gaffed in: for Elohim is able to Graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert gaffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be gaffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away unrighteousness from Jacob: Rom 11:16-26​

Only some of the branches removed the disciples were Jews and with Paul became the apostles so how could all of the Jews be cut off? Never as a nation but as individuals which we all must do in order to be save.​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

After reading the first few points, I feel like I'm looking for pots of Gold. You're not so clear by trying to say too much in response to one point. Noah had 3 sons, I was looking for what you claimed God asked Ham to do.
Respectfully
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib:​

You stated: How can you prove that Elijah was not a Jew?​

If you would notice what I said was that Elijah was not a Jew because during his time the Kingdom of Israel had separated from Judah.Yehûdî; Aramaic Yehûday; Gr. Ioudaios; Akkadian Yaûdai is a term used for the citizens or subjects of the kingdom of Judah. The ten tribes had apostatized to the false deities of Canaanites of Ham descendants who were black! ​

Joseph married Asenath the daughter of Potiphera who was priest of On (Gen 41:50, 51) Egyptian. Joseph and Asenath oldest son was named Manasseh and Marcher the grandson of Manasseh birth Gilead. The Tishbites came from Gilead but had turn away from Elohim and mixed and mingle with the Canaanites but Elijah particularly called obey Yahweh and became His prophet. What I said was clear Elijah was not a Jew (Judah) but a convert of the original Canaanites or inhabitant that Israel did not destroy but lived together. Ahad who was king during the time of Elijah wife was a Phoenician princess Jezebel who was a Canaanite or black woman! ​

Many biblical scholars have provided the truth as to who Elijah most likely was a Canaanite convert. He was a foreigner or stranger who resided in Gilead. However many modern versions have deliberately refuse to mention this fact by not accurately translating the Hebrew word towshab. The translators of the King James Bible have carefully rendered this word inhabitants but not in any of the other text of the Old Testament that uses this word. The words inhabit, inhabitant, inhabitants, inhabited, inhabiters, inhabitest, inhabiteth, inhabiting occurs in many other places in the K JV and in some more than once. Interesting that none of them are translated from the Hebrew word towshab like this except in 1 Kings 17:1 speaking about Elijah the Tishbite. In other Scriptures this word was correctly translated sojourner, stranger, foreigner. Numbers 35:15, Lev 25:6​

The sojourners were distinguished from the children of Israel and therefore the word sojourner denotes someone who was other than a Jew or an Israelite. The sojourner was a foreigner or stranger. This is the implication in every text the word towshab appears in the King James Bible. But the same Hebrew word was also translated stranger in Leviticus 25:6: ​

The word proselyte comes from Latin proselytus which comes from Greek proselytos and means stranger, religious convert Collier’s Dictionary, p. 804

And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As YAHWEH Elohim of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. 1 Ki 17:1​

Blessing,​

stinsonmarri

Rather than a long arguments I'll just post from a notable dictionary
and then post a link to on Elijah.

Elijah

Hebrew prophet who sought to abolish idolatry and restore justice. According to the Bible, he did not die but was carried skyward in a chariot of fire.​

Read more: Elijah: Biography from Answers.com

 

[stinsonmarri]

Crib:​

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Sorry if I posted on the wrong thread old age and healing for my surgery I guess. Are you calling me a screw ball I if so I am sadden? I alway copy you exact quote and I understood it well. Here is what you said:​

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You said: I think you're misunderstanding Heb 4. If "them" implies the Children of Israel you cant say "the beginning" means at creation. Paul said no such thing. I've read Heb4 a time or two. ​

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I responded back to you that you need to read it again. I cannot fathom how you can not understand who the "them," are who was first mixed with faith as Paul stated. Even Albert Barnes knew that Paul was saying that Yahweh was referring to the creation of the world. But he wanted to exclude the original Sabbath which the only day He required rest from your work as He did from His.​

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For those of us who have belief come into his rest; even as he has said, As I said in my oath​

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(He first gave an oath and a promise in Gen 2:1-3. The oath the declaration of what was created, how long it took each time He created and that He rested from all He created on the seventh day that He distinctly name the Sabbath. The promise is a covenant to all His creative beings to must stop on the seventh day Sabbath and rest because Yahweh made the day Holy unto Himself.) when I was angry, (He became angry even before the Commandment and law was given to Israel when they collect the manner Yahweh was showing how to keep the Sabbath.)They may not come into my rest: though the works were done from the time of the making of the world. (Here Yahweh is speaking from all starting with Adam's children to now who refuse to enter to His only rest which is the seven day Sabbath!)​

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For in one place (the one place again points to Gen 2:1-3 where He first establish the Sabbath which in other case this is what the whole subject is about. Plain and simple English a child reading this would understand who has not been taught false ideas.) he has said of the seventh day, And Elohim had rest from all his works on the seventh day; Heb 4:4 ​

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Heb 4:5 And in the same place he says again (this place the earth and to Israel this time-simple) They will not come into my rest. ​

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Heb 4:6 So that as it is clear that some have to go in, and that the first hearers of the good news were not able to go in because they went against God's orders, (All of those first hearers was from Adam to Nimrod who knew the Sabbath. But some of these first hears refuse to enter into His Sabbath rest and Nimrod changed everything going against his orders that was given to Adam but Yahweh's word will never be void.) Heb 4:3-6 (BBE)​

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Four Hebrew 4:8 I leave this comment other than me even though I am a Biblical historian by my credentials I prefer to show others Biblical scholars who are experts in the field to prove my point factually. I truly am a humble servant of the Most High and I take my learning as a gift from Yahweh with honor and sincerity. ​

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The Hebrews were very careful of their names, and the name of the Supreme was often used as a part of the name of Israelites, such as EliYAH, JeremYAH, DaniEL, JoEL, etc., etc. The same idea prevailed among the heathen religions, and the worshippers of Baal, Zeus, and other deities, were careful to affix the name of their deity to their children, and so we find, Jezebel (Jeze-Baal), Nebuchadnezzar (Nebo-chadnezzar), Baaliada (Baal knows), etc., etc. Among the Greeks we find this same rule prevailing, and it was adhered to when the Hebrew Scriptures were translated into the Greek, as in the Septuagint.​

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In William Smith's Bible Dictionary, relative to the Septuagint Version, we read: "Proper names are sometimes translated, sometimes not." "The divine names are frequently interchanged." "The version is therefore not minutely accurate in details." "We find a marked distinction between the original (Hebrew) and the Septuagint (Greek)." The Septuagint Version was translated in Alexandria, Egypt, as some say, for Greek speaking Jews; but Josephus says it was made because the king of Egypt commanded it to be done, that he might have a copy of the Jews' greatest literature. The fact is that whoever made the translation, and for whatever purpose, wittingly covered up the sacred Name of Yahweh by substituting the name Kurios, and by other means: See the Septuagint Version itself for proof.) Under the Greeks, in the following centuries, "The names of places were Hellenized: Rabbath-Ammon to Philadelphia; Armoab to Areopolis; Akko to Ptolemais. The same occurred with personal names. Homi became Menelaus; Joshua became Jason, or Jesus. The Greek practice of changing names or persons, removing the abbreviated forms of rival deities and replacing them with the abbreviated form of their supreme deity, Zeus, is readily seen in such prominent changes as that of the Hebrew prophets: Elisha (El of supplication) became Eliseus (my El is Zeus). Other prophets as Jeremiah, had the Yah ending changed to "S", the Grecian terminal referring to their deity Zeus. Elijah (my El is Yahweh) became Elias (My El is Zeus).

Dr. W. F. Wilkinson, M.A., Vicar of St. Werburgh's, Derby Joint Editor of Webster and Wilkinson's Greek Testament, in his book, "Personal Names in the Bible," edition 1886, says, "The name Joshua (Yahshua) derives its greatest importance and highest sanctity from the fact that it was sacredly chosen as the name to be borne among men by the Messiah . . . When the name Yah was prefixed to the word Hoshua, the compound resulting was, as given in our version (Num. 23:16), the word Jehoshua (Yahshua). This word ... was altered in the pronunciation of the Alexandrian Jews, into Jesus; Just as Elisha was into Eliseus. And this word (Jesus) is always written in the Septuagint Version wherever Jahoshua or Jeshua (Yahshua) occurs in the Hebrew. Hence Jesus is read for Joshua (Yahshua) in the Greek of the New Testament, and retained very inconveniently in our version, in Acts 7:45 and Heb. 4:8." The Jewish Encyclopedia: article on Hellenism - pages 342, 343​

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Forgive me if this article is long but I hope it help I pray to clear up the matter. I am very tired I will get back to you on the other points shortly. My chest is still healing and I think I stay last night to long and I paying for it now. That why I put this in the wrong thread please forgive again. ​

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[Cribstyl]

Crib:​

Sorry if I posted on the wrong thread old age and healing for my surgery I guess. Are you calling me a screw ball I if so I am sadden?​

No mam, I meant you are throwing me a (Screwball ) baseball pitch that's hard to hit.​

I alway copy you exact quote and I understood it well. Here is what you said:​

You said: I think you're misunderstanding Heb 4. If "them" implies the Children of Israel you cant say "the beginning" means at creation. Paul said no such thing. I've read Heb4 a time or two. ​

I responded back to you that you need to read it again.

OK, you are right, but I was responding each of these three statements you made.

#1. Paul also said in Hebrew that "them," before the Jews was mixed with faith because they would not enter into Yahweh's rest that He gave from the beginning. ​

#2. Paul finish by saying if Yashua wanted to change Yahweh His Father's rest day He would have said so. ​

#3. Read Hebrew Chapter four. I had to comment my friend.​

You should explain where Paul said what you've said in pink above.​

Thanks for the chat......

 

[Cribstyl]

This post is a change of subject.

God does not fit into our religion. God has spoken through His words which is preserved in the bible.
We must apply it to understanding to know what He requires from us.

The word of God should settle the truth we should believe.


When I told God I wanted to draw people to Him...... My understanding was to share the gospel of truth, and help those less unfortunate and live as an example.
God does not condemn anyone except those who jugde other.

God does condemn sin.
God will judge the sinner.

 

[Cribstyl]

Why do you rely so heavily on the Daniel and Revelations and ignor where the gospel is explained for all to understand?

Why does reasoning from 1800s replaces what is written as the gospel?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

God has spoken through His words which is preserved in the bible.
We must apply it to understanding to know what He requires from us.

We also believe that God spoke to us through sister White and that His Holy Spirit inspired others as they studied the scriptures...

 

[Cribstyl]

We also believe that God spoke to us through sister White and that His Holy Spirit inspired others as they studied the scriptures...

Are you saying that God needed to send another prophet to be the interpretor of the bible and reveal new doctrines and mysteries from Genesis to Revelation?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Are you saying that God needed to send another prophet to be the interpretor of the bible and reveal new doctrines and mysteries from Genesis to Revelation?

Did He not have to do that for the Israelites? What makes you think the gentiles were any quicker on the uptake?

 

[Cribstyl]

Did He not have to do that for the Israelites? What makes you think the gentiles were any quicker on the uptake?

Therein lies the problem 'questionable reasoning'.
The bible claims only one gospel.......
Which of the prophets of old preached the Gospel?

Paul was chosen as an apostle to the Gentiles, was Paul a prophet?

Preach no other gospel..


Gal 1:6¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul may have learned the law from Gamaliel but the Gospel he received from Jesus Christ. Act 22:3

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Therein lies the problem 'questionable reasoning'.
The bible claims only one gospel.......
Which of the prophets of old preached the Gospel?

Paul was chosen as an apostle to the Gentiles, was Paul a prophet?

Preach no other gospel..


Gal 1:6¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul may have learned the law from Gamaliel but the Gospel he received from Jesus Christ. Act 22:3

Then why was John raised up as a prophet 40-50 years after Paul? Are you saying that the book of Revelation has no merit because it goes beyond your idea of the gospel? That we can throw out the rest of the Bible and just treasure the gospels and epistles?

If you accept that God still had instruction for His people through John, then it is entirely plausible that He would raise up others as we approach the end... if you cannot see the postive meesage that sister White brought to a people coming out of a place of darkness in regard to Biblical understanding, then how will you be able to recognize the message of the latter rain when it comes?

 

[Cribstyl]

Then why was John raised up as a prophet 40-50 years after Paul? Are you saying that the book of Revelation has no merit because it goes beyond your idea of the gospel? That we can throw out the rest of the Bible and just treasure the gospels and epistles?

If you accept that God still had instruction for His people through John, then it is entirely plausible that He would raise up others as we approach the end... if you cannot see the postive meesage that sister White brought to a people coming out of a place of darkness in regard to Biblical understanding, then how will you be able to recognize the message of the latter rain when it comes?

I'm I saying that Revelation is not one of 27 books in the New Testament? NO!
I'm I saying that Revelations is not a testimony of Jesus Christ? NO!
I'm I saying that Revelations has no merit? NO!
I'm I saying to throw out any part of the bible? NO!
I'm I saying anything about sister White? NO!

Your response is packed with false implications, it seems intended to confuse what I am saying.
I am not saying that prophecies have no value.

The bible say the Gospel brings salvation to those who believe.

I said that that there is only one Gospel.
I said that Paul was a chosen apostle to the Gentiles.

Who were troubling the Galatians with another gospel?
What were they wanting the Galatians to believe?

Gal 1:6¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


If you have issues with my posts, why dont you address the error and your communication will be well recieved.
You seem to sidestep what my point are to raise up questonable teachings

 

[Cribstyl]

Did He not have to do that for the Israelites? What makes you think the gentiles were any quicker on the uptake?

Since my previous question was: "Are you saying that God needed to send another prophet to be the interpretor of the bible and reveal new doctrines and mysteries from Genesis to Revelation?"
I guess your response means YES.

 

[Cribstyl]

Then why was John raised up as a prophet 40-50 years after Paul? Are you saying that the book of Revelation has no merit because it goes beyond your idea of the gospel? That we can throw out the rest of the Bible and just treasure the gospels and epistles?

If you accept that God still had instruction for His people through John, then it is entirely plausible that He would raise up others as we approach the end... if you cannot see the postive meesage that sister White brought to a people coming out of a place of darkness in regard to Biblical understanding, then how will you be able to recognize the message of the latter rain when it comes?

I dont know why you'd want to reject what scriptures teach to imply that we're to follow prophecies rather than the gospel.

Rom 1:16¶For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.