I'm tired of giving religionists a pass

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If anything you'd be dismissed as a troll after enough time, but not banned.
Kinda like here, eh?

But there's two people here who want me outright banned, w/o any warnings or infractions first.
 
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Kinda like here, eh?

But there's two people here who want me outright banned, w/o any warnings or infractions first.
If you enjoy the persecution you receive here, you'll love it there. They're not so conservative in word choice on atheist forums.
 
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If you enjoy the persecution you receive here, you'll love it there. They're not so conservative in word choice on atheist forums.
In that case I'll stay here, where the wolves have to don sheeps' clothing and act against their mien.
 
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Kinda like here, eh?

But there's two people here who want me outright banned, w/o any warnings or infractions first.
That's not going to happen AV1611VET this is a Christian forum, banning creationists for saying ludicrous things would kinda defeat the object don't you think?

Whatever you or other creationists say here is all dismissed as being the mind workings of delusional people anyway,
you don't need me to tell you this because you have been a creationist long enough to know what 'normal people' including other Christians think and say about creationists, in fact your light shines brighter the crazier people think you are and because you think your God only wants ignorant people in heaven, so good luck to you, whatever flips your switch.
 
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In that case I'll stay here, where the wolves have to don sheeps' clothing and act against their mien.
I would have thought it would be much easier to feel morally superior with profanities flying all over the place :p
 
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Hey Phred, don't speak so nice about Christians. Your Atheist buddies will think you've gone soft, that your giving us a free pass. Why do you ask "HOW did your god do it"? You know our answer, He created the universe, but there isn't any proof you would accept, is there? Atheist can't give Christians any proof for, how the universe came into being out of nothing, how life came from non life and how one species evolved into a completely different species. We would like proof not someone's idea of how it might of happened. If you say your absolutely certain it happened you're either lying, stupid, insane or... no that's all.

Yes, science actually supports everything said in Genesis one:

It is clear that the Universe DID have a beginning, 13.5 billion years ago.
(Gen 1:1)

There were seven long Cosmic "days" since that Big Bang, which we call the seven cosmic/geological Eras.

A Cosmic Dark Age did precede that advent of let there be light to flood the cosmos.
(Gen 1:3-5)

There was one ocean, once, where all the waters had been collected together.
(Gen 1:9)

Pangea/Rodinia did actually confirm that the dry land appeared surrounded totally by water.
(Gen 1:10)

The Plant kingdom did establish itself before the Animal kingdom.
(Gen 1:11)

Man WAS the last step in the evolution of Dominant Life on earth.
(Gen 1:27)
 
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If you enjoy the persecution you receive here, you'll love it there. They're not so conservative in word choice on atheist forums.

In that case I'll stay here, where the wolves have to don sheeps' clothing and act against their mien.

I can only imagine, but if I really thought that I had an omnipotent deity riding shotgun in my life, why would I have any fears about jumping into an atheist/skeptical forum?

Go for it. What's the worst that can happen?
 
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I'm tired of Atheist always getting a pass when Christians can't answer their questions.
Christians are the ones making the positive claims.
I guess you haven't heard of the bible,
There are many bibles and holy books, all claiming to the the right one. I am not reading them all.
you know that evidence that God exist and that He has left behind. I know, I know, it's not the kind of evidence you want.
Testable. Repeatable. Verifiable by others. That will do for me.
I agree the Big Bang doesn't point to God, but it does point to a creator of the universe.
How did you establish that? The universe may have always existed.
This creator has to be outside of time and space, and it sure would be nice if He told us who He was and how He did it.
A creator outside of space and time would not be of much use to us, would it?
You say "all these things are provided with science", ok then, where's you scientific proof that life did come from non-life.
Science doesn't do 'proofs', but my response is: What is the difference between life and non-life?
While your at it can I have your scientific proof that the universe (physical stuff) came from nothing (non-physical stuff),
That is not my claim, but I'm sure that the universe is here, and I am not sure that it is possible for there to be 'nothing'.
and how one species evolved into a completely different species.
Taking into account the various definitions of 'species', it may be as simple as a population of critters being divided and kept separated by a physical barrier (mountains, water) for a long period of time, each with their own differing set of environmental pressures.
 
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I do not think so. If people went with the evidence, scientific or otherwise, they would not be an Atheist. If there is no evidence for a God, then there is no evidence that there is not a God.

You are mistaken. While it cannot be proven that there are *no* gods, individual gods can be shown as being impossible to exist, based on how they are defined.

For instance, if you have defined your particular deity as having contradictory properties, then we can rule it out as a possibility.
 
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I can only imagine, but if I really thought that I had an omnipotent deity riding shotgun in my life, why would I have any fears about jumping into an atheist/skeptical forum?

Go for it. What's the worst that can happen?
I hate foul language -- especially when it is used to vent against God.

And it has nothing to do with [progressive] sanctification; I hated it before I was saved, and I still hate it.

In a week's time, I might watch one hour of TV; but that's pushing it.
 
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I hate foul language -- especially when it is used to vent against God.

And it has nothing to do with [progressive] sanctification; I hated it before I was saved, and I still hate it.

In a week's time, I might watch one hour of TV; but that's pushing it.

The JREF forums are better moderated than the inconsistant moderation we see here and foul language is autocensored there.

Peter :)
 
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Christians are the ones making the positive claims.

As are Darwinists with the ignorant authors.

There are many bibles and holy books, all claiming to the the right one. I am not reading them all.
There's no need. Jesus's parables. when understood, cover in essence all the mysteries within various religions. [BIBLE]"I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world." (Matt. 13:35)[/BIBLE] The Parables of Jesus. Beyond that you're talking clarification and/or redundancy.

A creator outside of space and time would not be of much use to us, would it?

You're in the process of using it. :) Nothing would work without it. For instance, I can survive without a television, but you cannot watch television without life or your body. Soooooo, calm down hm k?
 
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The JREF forums are better moderated than the inconsistant moderation we see here...
Meaning people get banned without warning, right?
... and foul language is autocensored there.
There are ways around autocensors, and one doesn't have to use foul language to blaspheme Jesus.

In fact, just before GA was shut down, Jesus was referred to something that I won't even tell my wife what the guy called Him.

If this site is any indication of what atheists & scientists think of us, then I'm not interested in one that is dedicated to science alone.

God is the Author of science, but 5% of science -- the loudest portion -- turned its back on God and hates Him with a passion.
 
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Yes, science actually supports everything said in Genesis one:

It is clear that the Universe DID have a beginning, 13.5 billion years ago.
(Gen 1:1)

There were seven long Cosmic "days" since that Big Bang, which we call the seven cosmic/geological Eras.

A Cosmic Dark Age did precede that advent of let there be light to flood the cosmos.
(Gen 1:3-5)

You've added your own interpretation to the existing text to make it say what you want it to. Nowhere int he bible does it indicate what it means by "day", whether it be a literal 24-hour period or millions of years. Additionally, according to the bible, God doesn't even create the cosmos until the fourth day (Gen 1:15-17).

There was one ocean, once, where all the waters had been collected together.
(Gen 1:9)

Contradictory to evidence. The oceans didn't actually appear until well after the earth was formed.

Pangea/Rodinia did actually confirm that the dry land appeared surrounded totally by water.
(Gen 1:10)

Well, of course. Considering that our continents as they are now don't cover the entire earth. It's not a desert planet, you know. However, this is another example of interpreting the bible to suit your needs. Did you even bother to notice that unlike what we know, Gen 1:10 has the dry land being created before there is even the sun, moon, and stars?

The Plant kingdom did establish itself before the Animal kingdom.
(Gen 1:11)

So if a day is millions of years, then we have plants surviving for millions of years without a sun... Because according to the bible, plants predate the sun, as well as the animals.

Man WAS the last step in the evolution of Dominant Life on earth.
(Gen 1:27)

This is awfully presumptuous. We're merely the current step in evolution -- there's no reason to assume homo sapien is the last step.


So, no. Science does not support Genesis 1. That's called creationism, not science.
 
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Meaning people get banned without warning, right?

No. It's probably harder for you to get banned at JREF than getting banned from CF.


There are ways around autocensors, and one doesn't have to use foul language to blaspheme Jesus.

It's also againt the rules on JREF to get around the autocensor.


If this site is any indication of what atheists & scientists think of us, then I'm not interested in one that is dedicated to science alone.

Strange then that one of your hobbies here is to hang around atheists and scientists.


God is the Author of science, but 5% of science -- the loudest portion -- turned its back on God and hates Him with a passion.

What papers did he author? I did a search for "God" on Pubmed, but couldn't find any.

Peter :)
 
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Additionally, according to the bible, God doesn't even create the cosmos until the fourth day (Gen 1:15-17).

Gen 1:15 "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven"

Where does this verse say: "cosmos"? We are talking about the "Firmament of the Heaven". We are talking about the lights in the firmament. Do you know what a "light" is? Do you know what a "firmament" is? Let me give you a clue, the firmament is not the cosmos. They say it is about as thick as the skin on a grape. Perhaps you could do a study on the firmament. A good place to start would be to study the atmosphere of the earth and do a study on how the earths atmosphere effects the light that we see. Of course today is way different then what it was back then. Because the city lights are so bright you almost can not see anything in the firament unless your hundreds of miles from a city. There are very few places left on earth where you can see the sky the way they saw the sky back then. Unless your way out in the middle of the ocean somewhere. Then maybe you could see the lights in the firmament the way they could see the lights back when this was written by Moses 3500 years ago.
 
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So, no. Science does not support Genesis 1. That's called creationism, not science.
Science supports Gen 1. Maybe not what you call science. But real science supports the Bible from cover to cover. What you call "science" is little more then Jerry-rigged propaganda. Most people use science to find the truth. But a few Atheists like to try to bend and twist science to cover up and to hide the truth from others.
 
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