The future of our health

[Everlasting33]

I do use a plant-based floor cleaner & All-purpose cleaner, sold by Gold Canyon.

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I began using them mostly for the fragrance, and they do a great job of cleaning....but, I also use quite a bit of bleach.

Steeler....have you tried the coconut oil for under your arms, instead of deordorant?

No, i haven't. I have heard of this but I will have to try it. Thanks!

 

[dallasapple]

A thought/question about vegitarianism. If it's so much healthier, and so normal/natural for our bodies, then why is it something that many people have to work so hard at? I mean we've heard from several people who were vegetarian at some point or multiple different times in their lives but who aren't now? Or people who tried it for a while and then went back? Is it possible that it's better and healthier for some and not for others?

It could also be as well as what MK explained..that its the same thing as like right now its a STRUGGLE to resist eating the Baskin Robins peanut butter chocolate and the Jamcain almond fudge ice cream thats in my freezer..

That ice cream by ANY "expert" opinion is NOT a "healthy" food..in 1/2 cup it has like 20 grams of saturated fat..and it also is LOADED with sugar..

Now its a struggle for me to avoid eating it..Does that mean that is really "good for me" because Im having a hard time not eating it?

Dallas

 

[chaz345]

It could also be as well as what MK explained..that its the same thing as like right now its a STRUGGLE to resist eating the Baskin Robins peanut butter chocolate and the Jamcain almond fudge ice cream thats in my freezer..

That ice cream by ANY "expert" opinion is NOT a "healthy" food..in 1/2 cup it has like 20 grams of saturated fat..and it also is LOADED with sugar..

Now its a struggle for me to avoid eating it..Does that mean that is really "good for me" because Im having a hard time not eating it?

Dallas

Food fills needs other than purely nutritional though. The sheer enjoyment of eating something you really really like can be beneficial, no matter how bad it is for you from a nutritional standpoint. So yes, it is entirely possible that ice cream, bacon or whatever can be good for you. Obviously using such food to extremes is not good both nutritionally and psychologically/spiritually but food being enjoyable or even being a social event is definitely a Biblical concept.

 

[dallasapple]

I think the answer to that, Chaz, is that although it's natural and healthy for our bodies....it DOES require pre-planning and frequent trips to the market (that's been my experience anyway). If I were privledged enough to have all the ingredients necessary right at my disposal (in my kitchen).....it would be much simpler and easier to "keep up". As Jane said, going out to restuarants isn't always easy.....lots of times, there aren't choices that fit. Our culture just doesn't generally bend in that direction.

I agree..its harder to keep a lot of especially the fresh produce in the kitchen in the variety we need especially for mulitple people..Its easy to to go buy 100lbs of meat on sale and stick it in the deep freeze and all you do is pull out a hunk in the morning to defrost..for dinner..and have at least a few days worth of tossed mixed greans in a container and maybe a couple llbs of brocolli on hand for a "side dish"..When a large portion of whats on yoru plate for calories and to fill you up is something you can buy MONTHS in advance its a lot easier...eggs same thing..you can buy 2 cartons of eggs and they are good in the fridge for a month..

Also so far my expereince with vegetarianism is the use of a LOT of more spices and herbs..and just more ingredients in general...the stuffed tomatos I made last night?Including spices had 14 differrent ingredients..and I had to cook on the stovetop and in the oven...

It would have taken me a lot less time.(and labor)to defrost some chicken breast..sprinkle with some seasonoing..cook on a stove top grill for 10 minutes ...and serve with some steamed grean beans and a roll...So thats what 4 ingredients?And the "main ingredient" you pretty much just have to make sure its cooked "through"?

I will say for a "main course" its easier to cook with meat..Far less "prep"..Pulled pork?..Delicious and all it is is a HUGE chunk of pork ..I would dry rub with paprika and sea salt and brown sugar and mustard the night before ..wrap it in foil over night...then stick it in the oven around noon and its ready nice and tender at 6...cole slaw?easy ..especially you can get pre/cut slaw mix..then you just mix up a dresing that takes all of 10 mintues..and then buy some buns..oh and you can use pre-made barbeque sauce or I made my own with the drippings..but still the whole amunt of time for me "labor" wise is maybe 30 minutes...and its a "complete" meal...

See..there I go ..spouting off my "meat" recipes like the back of my hand..LOL!!

A LOT of it?Seriously is RETRAINING my mind...when the "center" isnt meat?..It feels like you are starting in the 'middle" somewhere..its thrown me off balance..

Its not easy becaue I feel "lost"..probably not so much because its "hard".. more like a fish out of water feeling..

BUT Im having FUN...I love food anyway..I always have..Im going to make a version of Niffs minestrone soup tonight...Im going to add kidney beans..and collards..

Dallas

 

[JaneFW]

I did a search for "vegetarian restaurants" on Friday and came up with an Italian restaurant just around the corner from where I used to work. Of course, the concept of "vegetarian" is that there are lots of dishes that are just made up of pasta and sauce, lol, but okay .. I had a veggie pizza, no cheese, and it was fabulous. I don't like thick bread (for pizza) and it was a real thin base, a bit crispy, and loaded with vegetables. I have never seen so many veggies on a pizza ever, lol. My h got a Marie Christine (or something like that) which was piled high with olives. The pizzas were huge. I could only eat three pieces, and I was forcing the third piece. We both brought home the leftover and I had some yesterday and it tasted just as good reheated. It's a keeper and we are going to go again - as a family - and this time I will share a pizza with the little guy. I already asked the waiter and he said that they are happy to do one half pizza with cheese, one half without. That's pretty cool. One of the things that told me it was going to be good food when we walked in was the fact that I could hear other guests speaking Italian, and I have this theory that if the people of that culture are eating the food, it must be pretty good. It was. It was so very tasty. <Awesome!!>

 

[dallasapple]

Food fills needs other than purely nutritional though. The sheer enjoyment of eating something you really really like can be beneficial, no matter how bad it is for you from a nutritional standpoint. So yes, it is entirely possible that ice cream, bacon or whatever can be good for you. Obviously using such food to extremes is not good both nutritionally and psychologically/spiritually but food being enjoyable or even being a social event is definitely a Biblical concept.

But food being "good for you " psychologically and spiritually very well can be the knowledge that its NUROUSHING your body and in no way HARMING IT ..Our body is or TEMPLE..that is Biblical as well..

And food that is GOOD for you is VERY colorful..and can be extremely delighful to the tastebuds..and as well enjoyed with others in a social atmoshpere...In fact discussng the meal is part of it..when I cut up the other night(or peeled rather) some fresh ginger root..then entire kitchen smelled like perfume had been sprayed in it..it was DELIGHTFUL..you dont NEED food that is HORRIBLE for your body to appreciate it and delight in it..and its an EXTRA good feeling to know that no animal had to suffer or sacrifice its life for me to experience that delight..or to nourish me..

Dallas

 

[JaneFW]

I agree..its harder to keep a lot of especially the fresh produce in the kitchen in the variety we need especially for mulitple people..Its easy to to go buy 100lbs of meat on sale and stick it in the deep freeze and all you do is pull out a hunk in the morning to defrost..for dinner..and have at least a few days worth of tossed mixed greans in a container and maybe a couple llbs of brocolli on hand for a "side dish"..When a large portion of whats on yoru plate for calories and to fill you up is something you can buy MONTHS in advance its a lot easier...eggs same thing..you can buy 2 cartons of eggs and they are good in the fridge for a month..

Also so far my expereince with vegetarianism is the use of a LOT of more spices and herbs..and just more ingredients in general...the stuffed tomatos I made last night?Including spices had 14 differrent ingredients..and I had to cook on the stovetop and in the oven...

It would have taken me a lot less time.(and labor)to defrost some chicken breast..sprinkle with some seasonoing..cook on a stove top grill for 10 minutes ...and serve with some steamed grean beans and a roll...So thats what 4 ingredients?And the "main ingredient" you pretty much just have to make sure its cooked "through"?

I will say for a "main course" its easier to cook with meat..Far less "prep"..Pulled pork?..Delicious and all it is is a HUGE chunk of pork ..I would dry rub with paprika and sea salt and brown sugar and mustard the night before ..wrap it in foil over night...then stick it in the oven around noon and its ready nice and tender at 6...cole slaw?easy ..especially you can get pre/cut slaw mix..then you just mix up a dresing that takes all of 10 mintues..and then buy some buns..oh and you can use pre-made barbeque sauce or I made my own with the drippings..but still the whole amunt of time for me "labor" wise is maybe 30 minutes...and its a "complete" meal...

See..there I go ..spouting off my "meat" recipes like the back of my hand..LOL!!

A LOT of it?Seriously is RETRAINING my mind...when the "center" isnt meat?..It feels like you are starting in the 'middle" somewhere..its thrown me off balance..

Its not easy becaue I feel "lost"..probably not so much because its "hard".. more like a fish out of water feeling..

BUT Im having FUN...I love food anyway..I always have..Im going to make a version of Niffs minestrone soup tonight...Im going to add kidney beans..and collards..

Dallas

It's all very true. It takes re-thinking on a massive scale.

I sat down yesterday afternoon with the recipe book and chose some recipes and I am going to make those today. But I had to fill in a whole week, which isn't easy. There was a wonderful recipe for a potato, kale and parsnip soup, but when I look at the instructions, it would take 2 hours to make, and as I don't get home until 6ish, then we wouldn't be ready to eat until 8pm at the earliest. That's kinda late for us. So, today is cooking day.

I went and got a spice rack yesterday. I will probably empty out some of the herbs because they are whole, and I need ground, and I'm not buying a grinder at this point, or spending more time mashing them up. It is mega cheap to go to HEB, to their dried goods aisle and spoon enough to fill the container into a bag and buy it separately. It's about $2 tops for a container-worth of ground coriander. (For instance.)

The food processor is a pain. I struggle with food processors. GRRRR. Need to get one of those electric choppers!

 

[JaneFW]

But food beign "good for you " psychologically and spiritually very well can be the knowldge that its NUROUSHIBG your body and in no way HARMING IT..Our body is or TEMPLE..that is Biblical as well..

And food that is GOOD for you is VERY colorful..and can be extremely delighful to the tastebuds..and as well enjoyed with others in a social atmoshpere...In fact discussng the meal is part of it..when I cut up the other night(or peeled rather) some fresh ginger root..then entire kitchen smelled like perfume had been sprayed in it..it was DELIGHTFUL..you dont NEED food that is HORRIBLE for your body to appreciate it and delight in it..and its an EXTRA good feeling to know that no animal had to suffer or sacrifice its life for me to expereince that delight..

Dallas

I wondered when the Bible would come into it. I asked pages back if anyone actually thinks that vegetarianism is unbiblical, and I figured it wouldn't be long before someone came up with that.

* I don't think it is unbiblical to not eat meat, any more than it is unbiblical to care for the environment, and vegetarianism does show care and concern for the environment. I am not one of these Christians who say it's up to God what happens to the earth. Not it's not just up to God. He gave us the earth and the animals to be under our authority, and so we can't say that we just aren't going to bother about caring for our environment.

* I know that Chaz didn't say it's unbiblical to not eat meat, but I'm waiting for it ...

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I was driving home last night and was busting my brain trying to think of somewhere I could stop on my way home to eat that wasn't unhealthy fast food. Long story short, I had canned Ministrone soup for dinner.

 

[dallasapple]

I wondered when the Bible would come into it. I asked pages back if anyone actually thinks that vegetarianism is unbiblical, and I figured it wouldn't be long before someone came up with that.

* I don't think it is unbiblical to not eat meat, any more than it is unbiblical to care for the environment, and vegetarianism does show care and concern for the environment. I am not one of these Christians who say it's up to God what happens to the earth. Not it's not just up to God. He gave us the earth and the animals to be under our authority, and so we can't say that we just aren't going to bother about caring for our environment.

* I know that Chaz didn't say it's unbiblical to not eat meat, but I'm waiting for it ...

I think (I coudl be wrong) Chaz's point is food isnt just for the fact we "need it" for our bodys but its for our mind" as in to feel good psychologically and spritually..My example was being tempted and wanting to eat fattening ice cream..that was in response to his insinuation that "some" try to be vegetarians and fail ..and maybe its becasue some people really do "need" meat..So I guess hes saying he "needs" meat for the spiritual and pshycological benefits?Since that was his response to his statement really not making any sense to me..I have eating a LOT of things in my life that I dont "need' to eat..that are not good for me..

I dont know but for ME eating a dead animal..and especially knowing now that it is a HUGE part of the cause of that you have mentioned here..our EARTHS atsmophere being damaged?Is anything but psychologically or spritually satisfying to me..in fact its the other way around..it makes me feel horrible and selfish..knowing I dont HAVE to contribute to it..and not only that ..I dont WANT to..

I dont think its in any way 'unBibiblical" to take advantage of the fact we have LARGE brains..and have figured out we do NOT need to eat meat..and its pointing more and more that its not even good for you..the animals are mass produced for that purpose and tortured their entire life up till they are brutally slaughtered..their 'upkeep" while they are alive waiting to be slaughtered or used 24/7 to milk is contributing to detroying earth in an effect that is MORE impactful than the cars we drive around in polluting the air(and casuign global warming).. .to NOT participate in that if its unBliblical then I dont know what kind of God we have..well lets put it this way..that isnt my God..

Dallas

 

[dallasapple]

I was driving home last night and was busting my brain trying to think of somewhere I could stop on my way home to eat that wasn't unhealthy fast food. Long story short, I had canned Ministrone soup for dinner.

The good thing is these days the grocery stores are serving ready to eat stuff too..they usually have MUCH healthier and in MHO reasonably priced choices..you can even get sushi...(Im sure you know this but still)...Its a littel more trouble to go through but I think worth it..Especially at rush hour?You still end up sitting in a drive through line for 10 mintues..and you cant get a "meal" anyway for less than $5 ..and its garbage for your body on top of that..But anyway..you made a good choice..canned soup is better than what they have at Jack in the Box..and also you can buy a bag of premixed salad too...eat that with your soup...

Dallas

 

[chaz345]

I wondered when the Bible would come into it. I asked pages back if anyone actually thinks that vegetarianism is unbiblical, and I figured it wouldn't be long before someone came up with that.

* I don't think it is unbiblical to not eat meat, any more than it is unbiblical to care for the environment, and vegetarianism does show care and concern for the environment. I am not one of these Christians who say it's up to God what happens to the earth. Not it's not just up to God. He gave us the earth and the animals to be under our authority, and so we can't say that we just aren't going to bother about caring for our environment.

* I know that Chaz didn't say it's unbiblical to not eat meat, but I'm waiting for it ...

It's not unblbilcal to not eat meat. It is unbiblical to say that eating meat is inherently harmful to one's body though. Evidence, both Biblical and physical clearly suggests that we are designed to be able to eat meat. Not required to obviously.

As for vegitatianism inherently showing more care and concern for the environment, I disagree. The way our meat in this country is raised today is problematic for the environment, but that doesn't mean that it has to be. If such were the case then the very existance of meat animals is what harms the environment and obviously that's not true.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

The good thing is these days the grocery stores are serving ready to eat stuff too..they usually have MUCH healthier and in MHO reasonably priced choices..you can even get sushi...(Im sure you know this but still)...Its a littel more trouble to go through but I think worth it..Especially at rush hour?You still end up sitting in a drive through line for 10 mintues..and you cant get a "meal" anyway for less than $5 ..and its garbage for your body on top of that..But anyway..you made a good choice..canned soup is better than what they have at Jack in the Box..and also you can buy a bag of premixed salad too...eat that with your soup...

Dallas

I do take advantage of the Whole Foods hot bar quite a bit when there's not much time for cooking. They have some pretty decent stuff there most of the time.

 

[dallasapple]

I do take advantage of the Whole Foods hot bar quite a bit when there's not much time for cooking. They have some pretty decent stuff there most of the time.

I dont know where you live..but here they have similar set ups at Kroger and Tom Thumb too...My husband got me some vegetarian sushi just the other day at Kroger..if you like sushi its pretty good..they also have a very elaborate salad bar...as well as things like baked fish..etc..that you can order a meal..if you are trying to cut back on meat then Im sure you could ask to double up on the veggies ..

Dallas

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I dont know where you live..but here they have similar set ups at Kroger and Tom Thumb too...My husband got me some vegetarian sushi just the other day at Kroger..if you like sushi its pretty good..they also have a very elaborate salad bar...as well as things like baked fish..etc..that you can order a meal..if you are trying to cut back on meat then Im sure you could ask to double up on the veggies ..

Dallas

I actually forgot about sushi. The Harris Teeter near my house has decent sushi. I used to get that about every other day.

 

[dallasapple]

It's not unblbilcal to not eat meat. It is unbiblical to say that eating meat is inherently harmful to one's body though. Evidence, both Biblical and physical clearly suggests that we are designed to be able to eat meat. Not required to obviously.

As for vegitatianism inherently showing more care and concern for the environment, I disagree. The way our meat in this country is raised today is problematic for the environment, but that doesn't mean that it has to be. If such were the case then the very existance of meat animals is what harms the environment and obviously that's not true.

Just because we can chew it up and swallow it doesnt mean its good for us or that we are "designed" to be at or optimal health by eating it Chaz..We are "desinged" to eat arsenic..that doesnt mean its good for us..

And yes it IS more care and concern for the enviroment Chaz not to create a demand for an animal for me to eat at the expense of everyones enviormoment not just mine.When I can live fine and be MORE healthy without it in the first place..

And them existing in the first place is a straw man..we are reproducing them at an "unGodly" rate for our consumption ..and we have to feed them first...before we consume them..They would have been wiped off the face of the earth and exinct many years ago if we hadnt mass produced them to keep up with how much of them we eat everyday.And not just the meat..we have to keep the "heffers" milking for their entire lives to keep up with our milk and cheese consumption..Those cows have to be fed..and we need to "conserve" space ..so they are litterally locked in one tiny space...and never walk around and stand in one place their entire life..its pathetic...and its not in anyway "Godly" IMHO...

And I dont even want to think about the chickens..They are crammed like sardines in tiny spaces together..they cut their beaks off to keep them from pecking each other to death in a constant attempt to get away from each other...

So please dont tell me for one its not because I dont care ..Im telling you it is...I have always felt that way since I learned about some of it..I just denied it and "pretended" the ones I ate had a better life.I would tell my brother for example when he would start to tell me some of the FACTS .."dont tell me about it I dont want to know"...and tried not to think about it...Im not going to do that anymore..

I feed my cats RAW meat everyday...they will DIE without it..I get my meat though from a farm in PA...the animals are treated humanely and they are not given drugs ..they are killed in a stress free way...I also feed my cats eggs in the recipe I mix up starting with raw meat..I'm choosing the cage free ones...

Aside from the guilt I felt about the inhumane treatment..I actually NEVER had any idea how bad raising the animals was for our enviroment..TBH I was shocked that it takes TEN TIMES more energy to produce one animal calorie as oppsed to plant calorie..I also had no idea that we could feed EVERY human being on earth + 2 billion more in one year on what we feed the animals just for our MEAT consumption ...Its stunning ...

I have a suspicion many people are not aware of how much of a negative impact it is..on the world..just for SOME portion of the world to have meat on their plate everyday...

Dallas

 

[FaithPrevails]

Since this thread has kind of turned into a foodie discussion , I thought I would toss a question out there to broaden the discussion to include other aspects of healthy living.

What does everyone do for exercise?

 

[dallasapple]

Since this thread has kind of turned into a foodie discussion , I thought I would toss a question out there to broaden the discussion to include other aspects of healthy living.

What does everyone do for exercise?

You know..I had always heard the term "foodie" .well I mean I had NEVER heard that term until a year ago...and I had no idea what it meant..until recently I went.Oh *** I think IM what they call a "foodie"..

Is foodie a good or a bad thing?

Excersize?...Im hot and cold right now..I know how to do it..I know what I need...and I dont..I have the knowledge..but not the will..

HEY does it count I "walked" through the parking lot to go to Whole Foods yesterday?and on the way out there is a sporting goods store.So I popped in there and bought a shirt that says "runners high"?

Dallas

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Since this thread has kind of turned into a foodie discussion , I thought I would toss a question out there to broaden the discussion to include other aspects of healthy living.

What does everyone do for exercise?

I do martial arts and also need to definitely do some cardio as well. I'd love to swim if I had access to a pool somewhere.

 

[chaz345]

Just because we can chew it up and swallow it doesnt mean its good for us or that we are "designed" to be at or optimal health by eating it Chaz..We are "desinged" to eat arsenic..that doesnt mean its good for us..

And yes it IS more care and concern for the enviroment Chaz not to create a demand for an animal for me to eat at the expense of everyones enviormoment not just mine.When I can live fine and be MORE healthy without it in the first place..

And them existing in the first place is a straw man..we are reproducing them at an "unGodly" rate for our consumption ..and we have to feed them first...before we consume them..They would have been wiped off the face of the earth and exinct many years ago if we hadnt mass produced them to keep up with how much of them we eat everyday.And not just the meat..we have to keep the "heffers" milking for their entire lives to keep up with our milk and cheese consumption..Those cows have to be fed..and we need to "conserve" space ..so they are litterally locked in one tiny space...and never walk around and stand in one place their entire life..its pathetic...and its not in anyway "Godly" IMHO...

And I dont even want to think about the chickens..They are crammed like sardines in tiny spaces together..they cut their beaks off to keep them from pecking each other to death in a constant attempt to get away from each other...

So please dont tell me for one its not because I dont care ..Im telling you it is...I have always felt that way since I learned about some of it..I just denied it and "pretended" the ones I ate had a better life.I would tell my brother for example when he would start to tell me some of the FACTS .."dont tell me about it I dont want to know"...and tried not to think about it...Im not going to do that anymore..

I feed my cats RAW meat everyday...they will DIE without it..I get my meat though from a farm in PA...the animals are treated humanely and they are not given drugs ..they are killed in a stress free way...I also feed my cats eggs in the recipe I mix up starting with raw meat..I'm choosing the cage free ones...

Aside from the guilt I felt about the inhumane treatment..I actually NEVER had any idea how bad raising the animals was for our enviroment..TBH I was shocked that it takes TEN TIMES more energy to produce one animal calorie as oppsed to plant calorie..I also had no idea that we could feed EVERY human being on earth + 2 billion more in one year on what we feed the animals just for our MEAT consumption ...Its stunning ...

I have a suspicion many people are not aware of how much of a negative impact it is..on the world..just for SOME portion of the world to have meat on their plate everyday...

Dallas

If you're not going to read what I said, don't respond any more. I clearly said that the way we do it now is problematic for the environment. Did you miss that? But that we do it the way we do is entirely separate from wether or not consuming them is inherently unhealthy for our bodies. You would agree that God wants what's best for us, right? So if eating meat is in and of itself inherently unhealthy, then we wouldn't have Biblical passages talking about eating meat. It would be more of a "stay away from that stuff that's unhealthy" wouldn't it? Again I'm not saying there is anything wrong with not eating meant. I'm saying that it's wrong and simply untrue to say that eating meat is inherently unhealthy. Eating as much as we do that's raised they way the majority of our meat supply is and in some cases cooked the way we do probably isn't the best, but the problem lies in the raising,processing and cooking, not in the consumption itself.