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The command is not to make any to the dead---and anyone saying all marks are against Torah doesn't really deal with what the Torah says when it comes to a myriad of ways that markings were given to God's people BY the Lord.. The command is simple. Don't. .
If we're going to say what a command is, one needs to deal with it fully..and in context. Otherwise, people are no different than those who they say do not truly wish to understand/follow Torah.
aniello, the OP is simple enough. The discussion is on what the Bible says on the issue of tattoos and markings...and where scripture addresses it in differing points, concerning which ones were valid and which ones were not. Within that is the larger issue of what occurs within the Jewish community when it comes to those who wear Tattoo's and have had others who are either Christians (Hebrew Christian) or Messianic Jewish reach out to them/not feel that it was in any way an issue. As said earlier:Easy G may I ask just where, or what, do you seek for this topic to end up at, or for, or whatever, what is it supposed to prove or ?????
Easy G (G²);58300649 said:... there is a documentary discussing the issue in-depth on what other Jews feel on the matter entitled "Tattoo Jew". The film "Tattoo Jew" is documentary about Jewish people getting Jewish-themed tattoos as expressions of individuality and pride..and showing people who feel more connected to their roots by displaying a modern Jewish identity permanently etched in ink upon their skin.This project explores the intersection between traditional Jewish culture and the current popularity of tattoos.
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At one point, there's a segment on how one Jewish woman shared her perspective on Tattoos...for in her mind, its not just about what the language means--but its also about the physical existence of the language on her body. It is amazing to considering how many within the Jewish community.......and outside of that, something that came to mind is that even Jesus had WRITTEN Language on Himself---as seen in "iRevelation 19:16 " when it says, "He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. "
If anyone has any thoughts on the issue, I'd love to hear.
Also, concerning the series I was telling you about where Jewish tattoo artist (Ami James) shared with others on isues in the Jewish community, , one can go to the following to see the actual series:
There was plenty of scripture to discuss and give differing viewpoints on..though thus far, a significant portion of that was not even touched..and the best most can do is "I just don't like that"--as if that in any way deals with the full council of God. Again, if people wish to seriously discuss the issue, there's more than enough there to go through....but if they cannot honor/read through the Original post as it is/deal with it, they are free to leave the thread.
There are plenty of tribes that do cuttings and that is not appropriate in many ways....just as others do around the world when it comes to making markings to other gods/idols.I could really give excruciating details of what my dad's tribe does, say, during "Vision Quest/Sun Dance" on the rez in S.D., lots of cuttings(and other things), I myself have the scars, on my arms and my chest and back
Again, anyone can throw out a host of terms such as "rabbit trail" or "But I WILL NOT! Why? Before the Holy G-d of Yisrael, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moshe, all the prophets, John the Baptist, Yeshua, the gospel writers, even Paul, yes Before the one and only Holy G-d, all of what my poor, uninformed tribe does is TRASH, and I will NOT help spread it, nor its influence, down some useless rabbit trail which this thread seems to be
Nonetheless, the issue is WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE say. Period. Whether or not you agree with what another tribe does or not has no bearing on addressing the Torah--and examining what the Lord said was appropriate for other nations to do and that He never had issue with. For when it comes to the Gospel being spread within differing cultures, whether your own or others, the scriptures are clear that it was never meant to be done in one way. The bottom line is that all of us do things in our own cultural contexts which the Torah allows...and rather than trying to dismiss it without actually dealing with the scriptures say/the examples given of how believers operated in differing contexts (i.e. Joseph, Daniel, Esther, etc), one can go back to the Word. Just because YOU disagree with something or don't care for it doesn't make it not an issue.....as there are plenty within the Messianic community/outside of it that do deal with it.
Obviously, for the extremely LIMITED amount of exposure most here get on a host of issues (as Brother Contra has noted once before in #33 / #304 ), its plain there's alot of lack in awareness as to what other Messianics actually deal with in the real world/on the Mission field....and its not surprising seeing how many who are in the Jewish community don't really take seriously what many in Messianic circles advocate. For many rarely deal with the real hot-button issues that are going on in Jewish communities.
Of course...For us it's a family thing and we should keep it there, outsiders are really without need to be there. "Vision Quest/Sun Dance" is just one of our funky old traditions that beyond maintaining tradition, and certain things pertaining to our traditions, is certainly of no profitable use, not speaking of money of course.
Can't really stand others who make what's happening within other cultures as if its a matter of performance. Additionally, I don't really care much for P.T Barnum...though the idea of a Circus was rather brilliant. Some in the church feel that's what the Body of Christ is like in many ways. If interested, one can investigate the ministry of Shane Claiborne---a very powerful man of God who does much work within the world of Social Justice/Humantarian movements and who does much work in Urban communities...working with others from a myriad of groups, be it Jew or Gentile, who are often outcasts....and one can see his own thoughts on the matter if going online/investigating the article entitled Shane Claiborne and Circus Theology | :: TheOoze.TV :: Emerging ...There are suckers who will pay money to see "little performances" of what they think is the "real thing". P.T. Barnum, we thank you
t. For more, one can go to the following:
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