Our roommate is infatuated with catholicism

[Hammster]

Maybe some will admit that there's nothing wrong with praying for the dead. But I'm not one of them.

 

[MichaelPhillips]

Why do people who believe in Jesus Christ argue over petty stuff. Church splits, My denomination is better than yours. I believe God has created different denominations, is because we all have something different to learn for God's greater purpose. When it is all and done with, there will be no winning team. I seriously doubt he is going to say Baptist you win, come on up or Methodist that they won. It's a personal relationship.

 

[Hammster]

Why do people who believe in Jesus Christ argue over petty stuff. Church splits, My denomination is better than yours. I believe God has created different denominations, is because we all have something different to learn for God's greater purpose. When it is all and done with, there will be no winning team. I seriously doubt he is going to say Baptist you win, come on up or Methodist that they won. It's a personal relationship.

Then don't argue. Some, however, think it's important to contend for the faith.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

Why do people who believe in Jesus Christ argue over petty stuff.

The gospel isn't petty and that is what at least a part of this argument is about. Billy Graham, Albert Mohler and etc have done a great deal to hurt Christianity by teaming up with Catholics. The official Catholic doctrine is that faith alone (Sola Fide) is not sufficient for salvation. That is a different gospel than that of the Baptist and the Protestant. People died by the millions by the hands of Roman Catholics because of these doctrines to just have people nowadays act like there is no real difference and that all the arguments are just petty. What a shame.

 

[MichaelPhillips]

The gospel isn't petty and that is what at least a part of this argument is about. Billy Graham, Albert Mohler and etc have done a great deal to hurt Christianity by teaming up with Catholics. The official Catholic doctrine is that faith alone (Sola Fide) is not sufficient for salvation. That is a different gospel than that of the Baptist and the Protestant. People died by the millions by the hands of Roman Catholics because of these doctrines to just have people nowadays act like there is no real difference and that all the arguments are just petty. What a shame.

Why don't you forgive the Catholics for their History?

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

Why don't you forgive the Catholics for their History?

You are missing the point. The point is Christians died in their past because of the doctrines we debate here which are now being called petty. That in turn makes those deaths petty.

 

[Fencerguy]

You are taking a passage that, with a stretch of the imagination, could talk about purgatory. However, with all the clear teaching that excludes such a notion, you ate left grasping at straws.

give us some of those clear teachings then.....because what I gave you was THE BIBLE.....I thought us Baptists believed in Sola Scriptura?

Jesus died on the Cross to atone for sin. To say that there are still sins to be punished for cheapens what He did. Hence, a false gospel.

How is that idea cheapening what Christ did? He saved us from sin, and from eternal punishment.....but you will not find in the Bible anywhere that Jesus saved us from temporal punishment, or from the consequences of the small sins we commit on a day to day basis.......

How is it a false Gospel? The message is still that Jesus saves......

 

[Fencerguy]

Then don't argue. Some, however, think it's important to contend for the faith.

Those people also have a responsibility to educate themselves about the Faith......so that they can contend for it intelligently....

 

[Fencerguy]

It isn't mentioned in the bible, and protestants don't read catholic writings.

Dude, the words "trinity" or "incarnation" arent mentioned in the Bible either, but you believe those based on protestant writings......

 

[Hammster]

give us some of those clear teachings then.....because what I gave you was THE BIBLE.....I thought us Baptists believed in Sola Scriptura?

How is that idea cheapening what Christ did? He saved us from sin, and from eternal punishment.....but you will not find in the Bible anywhere that Jesus saved us from temporal punishment, or from the consequences of the small sins we commit on a day to day basis.......

How is it a false Gospel? The message is still that Jesus saves......

I already quoted for you a text that excludes purgatory. Comment on tgat and then we will talk.

 

[Fencerguy]

I already quoted for you a text that excludes purgatory. Comment on tgat and then we will talk.

which post? I have been away for a couple days.....


btw.....you are under more of a burden of proof as far as backing up your opinions.....can you just repost the text?

 

[Keachian]

Hammster show me your faith without works? I think that all it is is mental ascension to the idea of God. How do you respond to the glory of God? Is it not through good works? Is not the act of accepting what Christ did on the Cross a work as well?

 

[Hammster]

which post? I have been away for a couple days.....

btw.....you are under more of a burden of proof as far as backing up your opinions.....can you just repost the text?

Matthew 25:31-46 (sheep and goats). Two groups of people. Two judgements. No purgatory. There is so much in Scripture that only gives two options. To add a third because of one passage that is highly debatable is not wise. Can you think of any other major doctrine that is based off of one short passage?

 

[Hammster]

I think I'm just goign to pay a homeless person to respond to this thread for me, because nothing we say seems to be getting through anyway.

By "getting through" do you mean changing minds? I'm still waiting to find out how one avoids purgatory.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster show me your faith without works? I think that all it is is mental ascension to the idea of God. How do you respond to the glory of God? Is it not through good works? Is not the act of accepting what Christ did on the Cross a work as well?

This post seems a bit jumbled. What are you wanting to know, and why?

 

[Basil the Great]

By "getting through" do you mean changing minds? I'm still waiting to find out how one avoids purgatory.

Hammster - If I understand RCC teaching correctly and I usually do, the RCC teaches that saints can avoid Purgatory by living holy lives. (Not that they live perfect lives though mind you.) The implication would seem to be that very few Christians avoid Purgatory, but the RCC is not specific on the subject to my knowledge.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster - If I understand RCC teaching correctly and I usually do, the RCC teaches that saints can avoid Purgatory by living holy lives. (Not that they live perfect lives though mind you.) The implication would seem to be that very few Christians avoid Purgatory, but the RCC is not specific on the subject to my knowledge.

I am looking for specifics.

 

[Rhamiel]

I am looking for specifics.

why?

 

[Hammster]

why?

Are my intentions pertinent? You can choose to answer or not.

 

[student ad x]

I am looking for specifics.

I'm looking at why, specifically, there are Roman Catholic's posting here in this forum, specifically this thread ............. for anything other than apologetics.......... and why it has been allowed to continue.

Kinda reminds me of this sign I saw on the net

Too many ruses going on under the cloak of fellowship around here.... and IMHO......... some assume way too much