What About You....... ARE YOU SURE?

[Gregory Thompson]

No to the contrary. But for the sake of argument i'll say if it applies to me it also applies to you for participating.

well you might like chains and whips . but that's not my style .

 

[11822]

well you might like chains and whips . but that's not my style .

Its more about faith, humility and love for God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Its more about faith, humility and love for God.

if it's about faith . then it is about trusting God .

but if it is about law . then it is not about faith .

because you're trusting yourself . and not God .

 

[mark46]

The 21st century Galatians are set in their beliefs.

Didn't he also want to know who'd "bewitched" the "foolish" men?

 

[sheina]

The 21st century Galatians are set in their beliefs.

Actually, it's the 21st century Galatian legalizers who are set in their beliefs!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Actually, it's the 21st century Galatian legalizers who are set in their beliefs!

 

[11822]

if it's about faith . then it is about trusting God .

but if it is about law . then it is not about faith .

because you're trusting yourself . and not God .

We're commanded to abstain from fornication and adultery and commanded to love God with all our heart and love our neighbor as ourself. Should we only obey the commandment to love? If we do then we will obey other commandments in the process of loving God and loving neighbor. Many laws are examples of love and they help us learn how to love. If we love God we obey His will that includes abstaining from fornication. There is also law concerning forgiveness, condemning and judging that we're commanded to obey. The motivation for obeying law determines whether its faith or self righteousness.

 

[11822]

Actually, it's the 21st century Galatian legalizers who are set in their beliefs!

Is someone teaching Circumcision again?

 

[sheina]

Is someone teaching Circumcision again?

It wasn't only circumcision...

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

 

[11822]

It wasn't only circumcision...

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

What other law does Paul talk about when hes saying we're free from the law? I don't see Him saying whoever teaches abstaining from fornication or adultery is teaching a false doctrine that voids the cross. Its always circumcision, at least from what Ive read so far anyway.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

What does "Salvation" mean (in the Bible)
Are you saved?
Are you being saved?
Were you saved?


Are you sure?

This thread is really about the ASSURANCE (or lack thereof) of salvation,
but I am cool with digging into anything to do with salvation really!

Let it be a blessing to the body of Christ.

What a nice topic for a thread! Made me bounce with happiness right away!

I can do nothing but rely on the promises of God:

Romans 8:

38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

What other hope can there possibly be if you don't put your full trust in God?

Despite this trust and hope, though, there are some issues where assurance is an issue:

1. Since I live in a free and prosperous country, I am more blessed in terms of the quality of life on this earth than the vast majority of people. So is this a gift from God that I should humbly enjoy, or does it give me a huge, proportionately greater responsibility to help others? If the latter is true, then I am falling down in my responsibility, and need assurance that I am not letting God down.

2. Despite repentance and the forgiveness that comes through Jesus Christ, I am acutely aware that as a human being, I continue to sin, and need to ask for forgiveness time and time again. So I feel the need for assurance that despite my on-going sin, God is patient and merciful and will continue time and time again to forgive me and maintain a place for me in heaven.

3. I encounter many homeless people when I go to the city and feel guilty at times not helping them. I justify this by believing that if I just give a person on the street a small bit of loose change or a hamburger, I am chaining them to the street- giving them just enough to sustain their lifestyle, without ever helping them to get out of their situation. To make matters worse, there are many agencies out there who have well-developed programs that are truly trying to wean people out of inappropriate life styles- so should I not support them instead? So I need assurance that I am doing the right thing in God's eyes- using tough love at times, instead of trying to reduce guilt.

 

[MamaZ]

What other law does Paul talk about when hes saying we're free from the law? I don't see Him saying whoever teaches abstaining from fornication or adultery is teaching a false doctrine that voids the cross. Its always circumcision, at least from what Ive read so far anyway.

So circumcision is all of Moses law?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

We're commanded to abstain from fornication and adultery and commanded to love God with all our heart and love our neighbor as ourself. Should we only obey the commandment to love? If we do then we will obey other commandments in the process of loving God and loving neighbor. Many laws are examples of love and they help us learn how to love. If we love God we obey His will that includes abstaining from fornication. There is also law concerning forgiveness, condemning and judging that we're commanded to obey. The motivation for obeying law determines whether its faith or self righteousness.

I speak about grace and trusting God and you automatically begin speaking about the law . do you know it is written that you need to surpass the righteousness of the pharisees to actually enter the kingdom of heaven? how are you gonna accomplish that if you keep acting like them?

 

[visionary]

What other law does Paul talk about when hes saying we're free from the law? I don't see Him saying whoever teaches abstaining from fornication or adultery is teaching a false doctrine that voids the cross. Its always circumcision, at least from what Ive read so far anyway.

Making anything more than it should be.. having powers in its own entity is wrong.. Circumcision became the password into the club.. just like baptism is into different churches.. [so much so that one baptism in one church does not hold value to another organization... and you will have to do it all over again after you learn their doctrines ].. or that objects that represent biblical people need attention from touching to toe kissing...it is like the bronze snake on the pole.. at some point in one's faith... it needs to be broken down.. because it is changing the focus from attention to God to attention to objects and/or action

 

[from scratch]

I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved when I finish the race. So presently, I have hope for salvation.

 

[from scratch]

I am sure I am saved. I am sure I am being saved everyday. I am sure that I was saved. And I am also sure that I will be saved. And yes I am sure.

 

[from scratch]

How about saving to something? There's more to salvation than being "saved from hell".

Mary

Indeed there is. And many think they only have fire insurance.

 

[visionary]

I speak about grace and trusting God and you automatically begin speaking about the law . do you know it is written that you need to surpass the righteousness of the pharisees to actually enter the kingdom of heaven? how are you gonna accomplish that if you keep acting like them?

By doing them in spirit and in truth rather than by tradition or letter of the law..

 

[from scratch]

Seems like it would be wasted time, the only Purgatory that is real is the Purgatory Ski resort in Colorado.

Now that's good and the truth too!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

By doing them in spirit and in truth rather than by tradition or letter of the law..

"the righteous live by faith"