Lu 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares
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its not often I agree with you, actually almost never, so I thought it would be a unique moment to stand in agreement with you.........It feels strange...lol
You sure do sound sure!I am sure I am saved. I am sure I am being saved everyday. I am sure that I was saved. And I am also sure that I will be saved. And yes I am sure.
Hi Stryder!Been justified by Christ. Currently in the process of being sanctified by Christ. Looking forward to being Glorified by Christ.
So Jesus din't need to die for William then? Or did you mean something esle?I'm not completely reassured that I even need saving from anything.
Amen. So you're saying that it's all up to God and so you can be sure?If we live its because we abide in the vine that brings life. If we abide in the vine we bear good fruit.
And... is that assurance? Or are you "hoping to make it" too?Having confidence in Him alone who is able to save to the uttermost.
To say I am not a fan of his is an understatement but I will check this out:I just finished Rob Bell's "Love Wins."
I loved his approach to salvation.
Is this a Rob bell promo? lol..He points out the primary reason why universalism doesn't work: Even if we assumed everyone makes it to the party, we still have to choose where or not we are going to participate in the party or not, and there are definitely those who will refuse to party with God. (I want to emphasize that Rob Bell points to only one way to get into that party: the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected on our behalf)
Awesome, and I am determined as well. Do you believe then that you're "in like flynn" or are you hoping for the best?So, I would say that an emphasis on just getting in, having a ticket that gets me past the bouncer at the gate, is simply not enough. I desperately want to fully participate and enjoy God's party. I'm determined to party with God, and I'm confident in his love to get me there!
He's caused a lot of trouble for a lot of parents. He targets theRob Bell?......anyone want to say it?
What he teaches about Scripture was the final straw for me.Damaging apostate heretic, for teaching universalism and that scriptures are only a high level of human genius and not a divine fiat.
What does "Salvation" mean (in the Bible)
Are you saved?
Are you being saved?
Were you saved?
Are you sure?
This thread is really about the ASSURANCE (or lack thereof) of salvation,
but I am cool with digging into anything to do with salvation really!
Let it be a blessing to the body of Christ.
Do you believe then that you're "in like flynn" or are you hoping for the best?
Amen. So you're saying that it's all up to God and so you can be sure?
Brother Ortho!! How good of you to stop by and inquire of my thoughtsSo what say you, Sun? If you answered this already in the thread, I apologize...
Amen!I am as determined of my own salvation as I am determined of anyone else's.
So, I can say that I trust what I understand of the Bible, as I understand the Bible, but I also admit that I don't entirely understand the Bible (and Christianity in all of its factions doesn't exactly provide a definitive explanation), so I possibly missed something pretty important.
That being said, I believe I'm in, and I'm hoping for the best.
Oh you bet I am sure. For it is not what I have done or will do but what He has done for me. Oh praise His name..
In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?
Totally! That is exactly the aspect of the Christian faith that I care most about.
If my perspective on salvation was just about whether we are in or out, then I would just ride the wave in.
So, it has to be about something else, too...
When the rich man asked Jesus, Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?Jesus responded, "...If you want to enter life, keep the commandments. - Matthew 19:16-17
I don't know much about causation in this case, but Jesus definitely points at correlation, and so I'm determined to uphold any part of that correlation that is under my control, in confidence that Christ will uphold the parts that are under His.
We better bear fruit !Yes in a way. I guess i was saying that we should pray that we bear fruit.
I'm not so much concerned about what truth might lead to.In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?
yes indeed . closer attention .
thank you for the clarification friend
In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?
I don't see that as a result of believing you're saved.. Just the opposite in fact.This sounds like being "Luke Warm"
I don't see that as a result of believing you're saved.. Just the opposite in fact.
That God would consider me His friend is imo a source of amazement. I
can hardly think of Him without being overwhelmed with gladness and
thankfulness and a feeling of deep humility at my unworthiness...
I know that most of my circle of friends feels that way too...
Brother Ortho!! How good of you to stop by and inquire of my thoughts
I believe that God wanted a fam, and so He created man in His image.
that man fell and so was in need of a savior.
I believe that God Himself came to save us .. REDEEMED us from the
curse that the blessing of Abraham might come upon us, that we might
have the Holy Spirit. !! (Sorry you asked yet? lol)
So while I 'think' that this includes restoring us to pre fall state and giving
us everything we need for life and godliness..
So imo, salvation includes .. everything God wants for us.
One thing I DO know is that He desires ABOVE all else, that we "prosper"
(in everything we do ) and walk in health, even as our soul prospers.
(Interesting passage there)
We're "born" into the kingdom and imo, God wont let anything snatch us away.
His desire is that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth..
He REALLY wants us all... Has done EVERYThing to make that thing happen,
right up to the point of 'stooping' to our level, to sacrificing His Son that
He loved, going to the cross to endure the agony of all sin for all time!
ABBA!!! Could He love us any more than that?
Yeah,,, it's gotta be at least NIGH unto impossible to get away.
He wont drop me and it'd take an act of God to pry me loose.
What about you!! lol
Amen!
(We all miss plenty i bet. How deep is our God?)
This sounds like being "Luke Warm"