What About You....... ARE YOU SURE?

[11822]

Lu 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares

 

[Vendetta]

its not often I agree with you, actually almost never, so I thought it would be a unique moment to stand in agreement with you.........It feels strange...lol

I wasn't aware we argued very often. I can only name once, really. But seriously, I just love the Church, and sometimes I come off a bit abrasively. Apologies.

 

[sunlover1]

I am sure I am saved. I am sure I am being saved everyday. I am sure that I was saved. And I am also sure that I will be saved. And yes I am sure.

You sure do sound sure!

Been justified by Christ. Currently in the process of being sanctified by Christ. Looking forward to being Glorified by Christ.

Hi Stryder!
Is this an assurance of salvation then? Or are you "hoping" you'll "make it"?

I'm not completely reassured that I even need saving from anything.

So Jesus din't need to die for William then? Or did you mean something esle?

If we live its because we abide in the vine that brings life. If we abide in the vine we bear good fruit.

Amen. So you're saying that it's all up to God and so you can be sure?

Having confidence in Him alone who is able to save to the uttermost.

And... is that assurance? Or are you "hoping to make it" too?

Thanks for the answers!

 

[sunlover1]

I just finished Rob Bell's "Love Wins."

I loved his approach to salvation.

To say I am not a fan of his is an understatement but I will check this out:

He points out the primary reason why universalism doesn't work: Even if we assumed everyone makes it to the party, we still have to choose where or not we are going to participate in the party or not, and there are definitely those who will refuse to party with God. (I want to emphasize that Rob Bell points to only one way to get into that party: the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected on our behalf)

Is this a Rob bell promo? lol..

So, I would say that an emphasis on just getting in, having a ticket that gets me past the bouncer at the gate, is simply not enough. I desperately want to fully participate and enjoy God's party. I'm determined to party with God, and I'm confident in his love to get me there!

Awesome, and I am determined as well. Do you believe then that you're "in like flynn" or are you hoping for the best?

Rob Bell?......anyone want to say it?

He's caused a lot of trouble for a lot of parents. He targets the
late teen to mid 20 crowd from what I've seen, promising them a "better
way" of doing church. Can't say it's not our own fault either. Had we been
doing a way better job of being the Church to the world, people like him
wouldn't be able to sneak up on us.

Damaging apostate heretic, for teaching universalism and that scriptures are only a high level of human genius and not a divine fiat.

What he teaches about Scripture was the final straw for me.
Are you saved Simon?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

What does "Salvation" mean (in the Bible)
Are you saved?
Are you being saved?
Were you saved?


Are you sure?

This thread is really about the ASSURANCE (or lack thereof) of salvation,
but I am cool with digging into anything to do with salvation really!




Let it be a blessing to the body of Christ.

So what say you, Sun? If you answered this already in the thread, I apologize...

 

[cubinity]

Do you believe then that you're "in like flynn" or are you hoping for the best?

I am as determined of my own salvation as I am determined of anyone else's.

So, I can say that I trust what I understand of the Bible, as I understand the Bible, but I also admit that I don't entirely understand the Bible (and Christianity in all of its factions doesn't exactly provide a definitive explanation), so I possibly missed something pretty important.

That being said, I believe I'm in, and I'm hoping for the best.

 

[MamaZ]

Oh you bet I am sure. For it is not what I have done or will do but what He has done for me. Oh praise His name..

 

[11822]

Amen. So you're saying that it's all up to God and so you can be sure?

Yes in a way. I guess i was saying that we should pray that we bear fruit.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?

 

[sunlover1]

So what say you, Sun? If you answered this already in the thread, I apologize...

Brother Ortho!! How good of you to stop by and inquire of my thoughts
I believe that God wanted a fam, and so He created man in His image.
that man fell and so was in need of a savior.
I believe that God Himself came to save us .. REDEEMED us from the
curse that the blessing of Abraham might come upon us, that we might
have the Holy Spirit. !! (Sorry you asked yet? lol)
So while I 'think' that this includes restoring us to pre fall state and giving
us everything we need for life and godliness..
So imo, salvation includes .. everything God wants for us.
One thing I DO know is that He desires ABOVE all else, that we "prosper"
(in everything we do ) and walk in health, even as our soul prospers.
(Interesting passage there)
We're "born" into the kingdom and imo, God wont let anything snatch us away.
His desire is that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth..
He REALLY wants us all... Has done EVERYThing to make that thing happen,
right up to the point of 'stooping' to our level, to sacrificing His Son that
He loved, going to the cross to endure the agony of all sin for all time!
ABBA!!! Could He love us any more than that?
Yeah,,, it's gotta be at least NIGH unto impossible to get away.
He wont drop me and it'd take an act of God to pry me loose.

What about you!! lol

I am as determined of my own salvation as I am determined of anyone else's.

So, I can say that I trust what I understand of the Bible, as I understand the Bible, but I also admit that I don't entirely understand the Bible (and Christianity in all of its factions doesn't exactly provide a definitive explanation), so I possibly missed something pretty important.

That being said, I believe I'm in, and I'm hoping for the best.

Amen!
(We all miss plenty i bet. How deep is our God?)

Oh you bet I am sure. For it is not what I have done or will do but what He has done for me. Oh praise His name..

 

[cubinity]

In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?

Totally! That is exactly the aspect of the Christian faith that I care most about.

If my perspective on salvation was just about whether we are in or out, then I would just ride the wave in.

So, it has to be about something else, too...

When the rich man asked Jesus, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”Jesus responded, "...If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” - Matthew 19:16-17

I don't know much about causation in this case, but Jesus definitely points at correlation, and so I'm determined to uphold any part of that correlation that is under my control, in confidence that Christ will uphold the parts that are under His.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Totally! That is exactly the aspect of the Christian faith that I care most about.

If my perspective on salvation was just about whether we are in or out, then I would just ride the wave in.

So, it has to be about something else, too...

When the rich man asked Jesus, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”Jesus responded, "...If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” - Matthew 19:16-17

I don't know much about causation in this case, but Jesus definitely points at correlation, and so I'm determined to uphold any part of that correlation that is under my control, in confidence that Christ will uphold the parts that are under His.

good call...

 

[New_Wineskin]

Are you saved? yes

Are you being saved? yes

Were you saved? yes


Are you sure? yes

 

[sunlover1]

Yes in a way. I guess i was saying that we should pray that we bear fruit.

We better bear fruit !
I hate pruning too though lol.

In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?

I'm not so much concerned about what truth might lead to.
If we're "in like flynn" and that leads to foolishness that's our bad.
If We're NOT in like flynn and terrified we need to "be good enough"
to "get in" we might live in terror and give up..
There's consequences to everything but if it's truth it's truth.

I can't help what some fool might do. I can only control what this
one fool does.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

yes indeed . closer attention .

thank you for the clarification friend

I have always liked that you have a sense of humor.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

In practice, if one believes he/she is "in like Flynn", do you see how this could potentially lead to complacency in one's Christian walk?

This sounds like being "Luke Warm"

 

[sunlover1]

This sounds like being "Luke Warm"

I don't see that as a result of believing you're saved.. Just the opposite in fact.
That God would consider me His friend is imo a source of amazement. I
can hardly think of Him without being overwhelmed with gladness and
thankfulness and a feeling of deep humility at my unworthiness...

I know that most of my circle of friends feels that way too...

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I don't see that as a result of believing you're saved.. Just the opposite in fact.
That God would consider me His friend is imo a source of amazement. I
can hardly think of Him without being overwhelmed with gladness and
thankfulness and a feeling of deep humility at my unworthiness...

I know that most of my circle of friends feels that way too...

I think complacency leads to being luke warm. We need to keep that fire burning and trying to be like Jesus otherwise the fire dwindles and luke warm can set in...

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Brother Ortho!! How good of you to stop by and inquire of my thoughts
I believe that God wanted a fam, and so He created man in His image.
that man fell and so was in need of a savior.
I believe that God Himself came to save us .. REDEEMED us from the
curse that the blessing of Abraham might come upon us, that we might
have the Holy Spirit. !! (Sorry you asked yet? lol)
So while I 'think' that this includes restoring us to pre fall state and giving
us everything we need for life and godliness..
So imo, salvation includes .. everything God wants for us.
One thing I DO know is that He desires ABOVE all else, that we "prosper"
(in everything we do ) and walk in health, even as our soul prospers.
(Interesting passage there)
We're "born" into the kingdom and imo, God wont let anything snatch us away.
His desire is that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth..
He REALLY wants us all... Has done EVERYThing to make that thing happen,
right up to the point of 'stooping' to our level, to sacrificing His Son that
He loved, going to the cross to endure the agony of all sin for all time!
ABBA!!! Could He love us any more than that?
Yeah,,, it's gotta be at least NIGH unto impossible to get away.
He wont drop me and it'd take an act of God to pry me loose.

What about you!! lol


Amen!
(We all miss plenty i bet. How deep is our God?)

Thanks for the response, sis! Really, i'm not being ornery at all...

As for me, I look at salvation as something that is only fully obtained in the afterlife. I see it as a end result of a long journey towards Christ which starts in this life and continues on in the next. Maybe the journey never stops, I'd like to think that it wouldn't. I like to use the analogy of Peter walking out of the boat onto the water towards Jesus. God's grace allows us to walk on water, and God lifts us up when we fall (lose sight of him) and ask for help. God's grace is required for salvation; we can willingly refuse God's grace if we so choose, but we will never be able to get away from it.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

This sounds like being "Luke Warm"

yes, that is what I am referring to...I think it is a trap that all of us can fall into.

But, what I'm trying to get my mind around is this; if justification is completely seperate from sanctification(justification meaning that you are "saved") then why bother with the sanctification process if you're "good to go"? To me, this seems a dangerous mentality which could easily lead to this state you refer to.