What are worse? Atheist or Christian sinners?

[Zaac]

Zaac, that is the most pitiful excuse. To try and play off insults and degrading words as "truth" and then claim the person is just "offended".

Your making excuses to try and justify your hideous behavior. Period. You are being mean. Allhart is being nice - notice I haven't gotten onto him once.

Let's do some review shall we?

"...The devil himself believes and he is getting tossed into the lake of fire." (in response to my saying I once believed)

"You were never a Christian..." (pretty sure this is against the rules)

"If you don't have a relationship with Christ, then you will struggle in all of your other relationships"

"You have got to be an American Democrat." (saying something isn't a put down doesn't magically make it true)

YOU need to change your attitude - it's clear to me you care less about being a Christian, and more about condemning others to hell with your words. You keep saying "it's between you and God" and "this is better for another thread" yet YOU keep pushing the issue and YOU keep trying to analyze my past - allhart is the only one who has said "it's between you and god" and left it at that. So far, between the three of us Zaac, allhart is the only one getting into heaven.

You know every so often I have to remind people, Christians and non-Christians alike, who complain about my "meanness" that I am simply not moved by the requests to "change my approach".

I can 100% attest that no one on this board in all the years that I have been here has ever seen me say anything that is not based in God's word and that has not been delivered in the love of Christ.

And if that comes across as mean, I can't help ya.

And to the Christians I say, as I did in the other thread, stop letting non-Christians frame the conversation. Al this talk of my "meanness" is just another attempt to not deal with the truth---that these people are on the way to hell.

My name is not Joel Osteen. I haven't been tasked by God to help anyone live their best life now and not to preach anything that does not hurt their feelings or come across as mean.

The truth should upset those who have become comfortable rejecting it.

And this is the last that I will address my meanness and the attempt of a nonChristian to pit me against another Christian.

Frame the conversation and point them toward Christ. Division in the Body does NOTHING but foster their attitudes of non-belief while continuing their excuses to NOT believe.

So let me be frank. I'm not here to be buddy buddy with anyone or to make anyone feel good about their proud rejection of Jesus Christ for more reasons than I have heard in a long time.

I'm here to preach God's word and to allow His TRUTH to expose the wickedness that causes people to reject Him. Yes I said wickedness because that's the term that HE uses.

Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

Folks on here reject Jesus Christ because of THEIR wickedness. So making excuses about my "meanness" is just that. An excuse.

 

[sandwiches]

You know every so often I have to remind people, Christians and non-Christians alike, who complain about my "meanness" that I am simply not moved by the requests to "change my approach".

I can 100% attest that no one on this board in all the years that I have been here has ever seen me say anything that is not based in God's word and that has not been delivered in the love of Christ.

And if that comes across as mean, I can't help ya.

And to the Christians I say, as I did in the other thread, stop letting non-Christians frame the conversation. Al this talk of my "meanness" is just another attempt to not deal with the truth---that these people are on the way to hell.

My name is not Joel Osteen. I haven't been tasked by God to help anyone live their best life now and not to preach anything that does not hurt their feelings or come across as mean.

The truth should upset those who have become comfortable rejecting it.

And this is the last that I will address my meanness and the attempt of a nonChristian to pit me against another Christian.

Frame the conversation and point them toward Christ. Division in the Body does NOTHING but foster their attitudes of non-belief while continuing their excuses to NOT believe.

So let me be frank. I'm not here to be buddy buddy with anyone or to make anyone feel good about their proud rejection of Jesus Christ for more reasons than I have heard in a long time.

I'm here to preach God's word and to allow His TRUTH to expose the wickedness that causes people to reject Him. Yes I said wickedness because that's the term that HE uses.

Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

Folks on here reject Jesus Christ because of THEIR wickedness. So making excuses about my "meanness" is just that. An excuse.

Luckily you're not a god and you're just plain wrong.

 

[Tergle]

Luckily you're not a god and you're just plain wrong.

He is not a god and he is not wrong according to the text book he takes his final exam on.

 

[sandwiches]

He is not a god and he is not wrong according to the text book he takes his final exam on.

Well, glad we agree on the first part, but he's still wrong.

 

[oshun13]

Which are worse in God's eyes and why?

The Christian Sinner (The Pharisee).

 

[selfinflikted]

Frame the conversation and point them toward Christ. Division in the Body does NOTHING but foster their attitudes of non-belief while continuing their excuses to NOT believe.

Can't you see that you're doing the total opposite of what you say you're trying to do? If it's apparent to everyone but you...

 

[Zaac]

Can't you see that you're doing the total opposite of what you say you're trying to do? If it's apparent to everyone but you...

What's apparent is that all of the atheists think everything needs to be spoken except God's truth. What's apparent is that all the atheists think that if it offends them, it shouldn't be spoken.

If it's spoken in love and you guys reject it because you're offended by it, that's the result of you suppressing God's truth by your own unrighteousness.

I have no control over that.

I will continue to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and atheists and agnostics on this board will continue to reject the given truth and essentiall put themselves in a burning lake of fire forever because of their own hardened hearts.

 

[Skavau]

You guys should know this much. Zaac rejects the very idea of being Non-Christian. He views all atheists as liars regarding their atheism. By extension, he views all theistic Non-Christians are liars as well. He believes only in what God says and plans. He views civilization and humanity itself by extension as nothing more than a means to Gods end. He rejects empiricism, rationalism and any ideology or world-view that does not match in accordance with the Bible. He literally does not care about humanity or the world he lives in.

 

[OdwinOddball]

What's apparent is that all of the atheists think everything needs to be spoken except God's truth. What's apparent is that all the atheists think that if it offends them, it shouldn't be spoken.

If it's spoken in love and you guys reject it because you're offended by it, that's the result of you suppressing God's truth by your own unrighteousness.

I have no control over that.

I will continue to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and atheists and agnostics on this board will continue to reject the given truth and essentiall put themselves in a burning lake of fire forever because of their own hardened hearts.

Love is the one thing I have never seen in any of your posts. You say you speak in love, but you have never, ever demonstrated this.

Perhaps you come across better in real life, but here when its just text, you come across as a arogant, cold, and completely un-appealing.

 

[jpcedotal]

Zaac sounds pretty spot on to me...

There is no wiggle room when the true Word is spoken, not some watered down politically correct version that tries not to offend anyone.

The Word is SUPPOSED TO BE OFFENSIVE to non-believers, though the Gospel is not. Until one accepts Jesus Christ as his/her Lord and Savior the Bible will never make sense...the meanings are hidden, because only the Holy Ghost can reveal them.

 

[selfinflikted]

What's apparent is that all of the atheists think everything needs to be spoken except God's truth. What's apparent is that all the atheists think that if it offends them, it shouldn't be spoken.

If it's spoken in love and you guys reject it because you're offended by it, that's the result of you suppressing God's truth by your own unrighteousness.

I have no control over that.

I will continue to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and atheists and agnostics on this board will continue to reject the given truth and essentiall put themselves in a burning lake of fire forever because of their own hardened hearts.

Zaac, it's your delivery, dude. Your delivery makes it hard to judge whether you're being hateful or loving. Actually, it doesn't make it hard to judge at all.

 

[selfinflikted]

Zaac sounds pretty spot on to me...

There is no wiggle room when the true Word is spoken, not some watered down politically correct version that tries not to offend anyone.

The Word is SUPPOSED TO BE OFFENSIVE to non-believers, though the Gospel is not. Until one accepts Jesus Christ as his/her Lord and Savior the Bible will never make sense...the meanings are hidden, because only the Holy Ghost can reveal them.

The "word" is about as offensive as any other work of fiction. It's the delivery of the message that's offensive.

When did you EVER read anything in the Bible where Jesus delivered his message in the manner that Zaac does?

 

[jpcedotal]

The "word" is about as offensive as any other work of fiction. It's the delivery of the message that's offensive.

When did you EVER read anything in the Bible where Jesus delivered his message in the manner that Zaac does?

How about when He went to the temple and run everybody off?

 

[mzungu]

Which are worse in God's eyes and why?

Atheists are the scum of the universe! Why? Well because they are! Happy now?

 

[Jro]

Atheists are the scum of the universe! Why? Well because they are! Happy now?

Haha, if there was a god who liked atheists, I think that would bother everyone.

 

[freeChris44]

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. However, only those who believe on the name of Jesus Christ are under the law of grace. Covered by the blood of the perfect sacrifice. Forgiveness of sins.

 

[Ken-1122]

Which are worse in God's eyes and why?

According to the Bible, all christians are sinners; none are perfect.

K

 

[mzungu]

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. However, only those who believe on the name of Jesus Christ are under the law of grace. Covered by the blood of the perfect sacrifice. Forgiveness of sins.

So the vast majority of people on this planet are doomed to eternal damnation. This leads me to believe that what is important is not to lead an honest life. Not to help others. Not to act humanely but to worship Jesus?

Many people who believe and worship Jesus are thieves, drug lords, and all manner of money hungry care not for others people; Yet, they will be forgiven?

No thank you! I shall pass!

 

[CaliforniaSun]

How about when He went to the temple and run everybody off?

Although this account clearly demonstrates the frustration Jesus has for his own people and their perversion of the law, it's highly doubtful this ever occurred. The area where the money changers conducted their business was about as big as two football fields. For one man to clear out an area this size without being aprehended would be quite a feat. Secondly, aside from the four gospels, there are no extrabiblical accounts of such a scandalous event ever occurring.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. However, only those who believe on the name of Jesus Christ are under the law of grace. Covered by the blood of the perfect sacrifice. Forgiveness of sins.

I would prefer not be covered in blood, but thanks for offering.