"I permit not a woman TO TEACH"
"that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and SHE TEACHES and leads"
Wow. You can do better than that, Meepy. Not even posting the whole sentence?
Come now. Let's be adults. Honest adults.
You know as well as I do that there are male false teachers mentioned in Scripture, too.
If one male false-teacher doesn't invalidate all male teaching, then by what process of logic can you
possibly reach the conclusion that one female false-teacher invalidates all female teaching?
And do you not even
care that you've ripped portions of Scripture out of all context? Not only cultural context, but the direct context of the surrounding passage?
Does that not even cause your conscience even the littlest twinge of guilt for intellectual dishonesty?
Seriously, I'm curious.
Yea it also says in Exodus that we are a royal priesthood. Doesn't negate the issues of the hierarchical priesthood. Jesus chose 12 apostles, who were all men, not a woman among them.
The 12 apostles who were also all JEWISH. I guess those distinctions between Jews and Gentiles, slave and free, man and woman should remain intact. Since Jesus had 12 male apostles, that must mean he only saves men.
Oh, and as to your "hierarchy"... That's directly contrary to what Jesus taught. He said not to call one another "father" and "teacher" and He said not to "lord it over" one another.
We're all one in Christ Jesus. There is no hierarchy among the disciples of Christ.
The early christian church never had women priests either and the ECF condemned them also. Only the heretical groups did like the gnostics and pagans.
The early Christian church never had
priests, period.
There is ample historical evidence that women were bishops, deacons, pastors and such in the early (1st and 2nd century) Church. From the NT writings themselves (e.g. Romans 16, Junia the apostle and Pheobe the deacon) to engravings on tombs and meeting places of Christians, we can see that women enjoyed the same 'status' in the early Church as men.
However when they teach it must always be under the authority of the bishop and she must never preach from the pulpit. The pulpit was ordained only for men. However women can teach in other areas of ministry outside of the pulpit, and as long as the bishop ok's it.
There's no such thing as a "pulpit" in Scripture. Much less any evidence that the pulpit was, or could be, "ordained" at all, much less that it was "ordained" only for men.
A woman who takes it unto herself to teach the pulpit is nothing more than a common Jezebel in revelation.
This is flaming. There are women in this thread who have stood at a "pulpit" and preached and taught. To call us "a common Jezebel" is an insult.
I think an apology is in order.
Yes it is recorded. I just showed you in Isaiah 3:12. Which shows that women ruling is a sign of a falling empire where the men refused to do the job.
Well, let's see.... Nope. Sorry, buddy, but I went and had another look and I
still don't see anything in that verse that says what you're saying.
Check your glasses. Methinks the bias-tinting is too strong. It's adding words that God never inspired.
We are not puppets that God dangles around. We have free will, which means humans can make mistakes and fall into sin. Look at the Babylonian and Assyrian exiles. There were many things that the Hebrews failed to do. Hence this is where Deborah comes into the equation, since she was put in an awkward position of a falling empire disobedient to God.
Again though, just repeating the story is not going to make it true. You have repeatedly refused to acknowledge that your spin on Deborah's story isn't explicit in Scripture. In fact, the story itself makes different implications.
Deborah wanted to be home and be a mother, but she was forced in a position due to the disobedience of the men at the time.
What the what? Seriously? Do you expect me to take you seriously?
I don't know which historical fiction romance novel you read, but maybe you should try reading the story in Judges.
And try not to make stuff up and add to Scripture.
Just like when men run out on their families and the mother is forced to do duties that are not acquainted with her nature.
Her "nature"? Have you read Proverbs 31?
It is totally different than say today, where rebellious emboldened women try to take the teaching pulpit unto themselves for the sake of making a statement(Jezebel types).
Huh?
Is that why men "take the teaching pulpit"?
Because they want power?
But it's okay for men to do, huh? Because men have penises. Penises and pulpits = good. I guess it's the alliteration involved?
This is totally the opposite of Deborah's situation. As by nature women were never created as a type to lead just the same as children will never be boss of or lead/teach their parents. (Genesis 3:16)
I'm my mom's boss. Actually and truly. I'm a lawyer and she's a paralegal.
Children grow up. When they do, they can most certainly be their parent's boss.
Now... please tell me you didn't just equate adult women with children.