Why We Can't Trust What Obama Says About His Religion

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Or to the good muslims who take the words of Muhammed seriously.
I have no doubt Muslims take the words of Muhammed seriously, but just like Christians they understand certain instructions dealt with certain timeframes and events. For example, there is reason why Christians are not running to their representatives to have them change laws to forbid the marriage of divorced women even though Jesus says not to do it and calls it a sin. Time and place; as there is reason why we don't have 1.5 billion Wahhabists....just like we don't have millions of Christian snake charmers per Mark.
 
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Seems to be a lot of Christian symbols on this thread, with few real Christians.
What is a real Christian?
I hear this a great deal, but have failed to be informed as to the exact criteria.
 
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The Obots really don't like the links that have anything negative to say about Barry.

It really is vicious of them.

Is there a deja vu feeling here JJ, tulc?

:confused:
Wow, now the virus protection companies like McAfee and Norton are in on the conspiracy?

This is really big.
 
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The OP was dicussing how certain Obots lie and pretend how Obama was never ever was a Moslem and how those same very people tell us he is Christian.
I wouldn't believe anything Obama said one way or the other. :wave:
Coming from the guy with the doctored photograph. I read something about bearing false witness. Where was it?
 
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What is a real Christian?
I hear this a great deal, but have failed to be informed as to the exact criteria.

I suspect it has a lot to do with whether or not you agree with what ever position the person making that statement agrees/disagrees with. :wave:
tulc(is a suspicious kind of guy) :cool:
 
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Wright is another of those fake Christians. Just listen to the things he said. Jesus said you can judge a tree by its fruit.
Wow, be careful of the stone throwing. I personally question some of the fruit on your side of the fence.
 
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You're right. We could probably say he's one of the biggest baby killers of all time. He should worry about his immortal soul.

Oh, wait. If he is a Muslim, he needn't worry. They're only Christian babies, after all!:)
Huh? You are making stuff up. What babies are he killing?

Are you talking about war or the legality of abortion?
 
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I have no doubt Muslims take the words of Muhammed seriously, but just like Christians they understand certain instructions dealt with certain timeframes and events. For example, there is reason why Christians are not running to their representatives to have them change laws to forbid the marriage of divorced women even though Jesus says not to do it and calls it a sin. Time and place; as there is reason why we don't have 1.5 billion Wahhabists....just like we don't have millions of Christian snake charmers per Mark.

There is no time frame for war against the unbeliever. There is no time frame on marriage or devorce is the bible. Jihad is open-ended and applied to all unbelievers. Jesus didn't take part in battles, Muhammad took part in 27. You can try to compare the two as being similar, but they are exact opposites.
 
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There is no time frame for war against the unbeliever. There is no time frame on marriage or devorce is the bible. Jihad is open-ended and applied to all unbelievers. Jesus didn't take part in battles, Muhammad took part in 27. You can try to compare the two as being similar, but they are exact opposites.

So...as Christians which of the two do you think we should emulate? :confused:
tulc(just wondering) :wave:
 
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Sorry, I can't remember what's in Romans 13.

Aside from all the hate and butchery that Muhammed preached, what scares me the most about Islam is that it is also a political movement. You can say that about it because Muhammed was a ruler and his followers were soldiers. The ultimate goal of Islam is to make Allah's law (sharia) the law of the entire Earth.

What also bothers me about Islam (and I guess this should bother us Christians, if we are indeed Christian) is that it denies the divinity of Christ. Jesus said the only way to the father is through him. That means all of those poor Muslim souls are lost, and we should be concerned about them. I would never want to be subject to an Islamic world government that would force me to believe otherwise.

Islamic text and the subject of politics:
Hadith-37%
Sira-81%
Qur'an-64%
Trilogy-64%

Political Islam
 
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Then don't you find it hypocritical and unChristlike to keep funding wars? Isn't going to battle (in your line of thought) becoming more Islamic by the day?

There is a time for everything, even war. That is biblical. You find it hypocritical because you don't know God's word on this subject at least. Islam says war is justified against all unbelievers. How is that in my line of thought? I find it hypocritical when people say that all war is wrong but have no problem killing babies in the womb and are against the death penalty for the worst of the worst.
 
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I have no doubt Muslims take the words of Muhammed seriously, but just like Christians they understand certain instructions dealt with certain timeframes and events. For example, there is reason why Christians are not running to their representatives to have them change laws to forbid the marriage of divorced women even though Jesus says not to do it and calls it a sin. Time and place; as there is reason why we don't have 1.5 billion Wahhabists....just like we don't have millions of Christian snake charmers per Mark.

The stonings and finger choppings begin when they have control.
 
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What is a real Christian?
I hear this a great deal, but have failed to be informed as to the exact criteria.

If you argue for Muhammed at the expense of Jesus, you're not a Christian. Jesus said if you deny him in front of men, he'll deny you.
 
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Huh? You are making stuff up. What babies are he killing?

Are you talking about war or the legality of abortion?

Wasn't he one of the staunchest pro-abortion politicians in the Congress? I reckon one of the best ways to wage war against western civilization would be to encourage the people to kill their own babies.
 
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There is no time frame for war against the unbeliever. There is no time frame on marriage or devorce is the bible. Jihad is open-ended and applied to all unbelievers. Jesus didn't take part in battles, Muhammad took part in 27. You can try to compare the two as being similar, but they are exact opposites.

Hold on a second. If you are Christian and believe the Trinity true, then Jesus as God in flesh but has always been God in the begining did indeed place rather oppresive measures on marriage; and did very much take part in battles including placing plagues on Israel because the neglected to whack the children of their enemies.

They are VERY similar, even though Muhammad is not viewed as God.
 
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This thread has deviated way off topic. I wanted to discuss whether or not we could trust what Obama says about his religion. I haven't read anything to convince me we can.


I have not read anything that convinces me we should trust anything you say about your religion and we are communicating first hand. Seems to me Obama's religion is between him and whatever gods he might believe in. Trying to ascertain his beliefs third hand does not strike me as a particularly fruitful endeavor.
 
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