Why We Can't Trust What Obama Says About His Religion

[HerbieHeadley]

Yes, this would be relevant IF HE WAS ACTUALLY MUSLIM.

But he's not, he is a christian just like most of us. He goes to church, he reads the bible. I don't understand how you people even get this insane notion that he is muslim. That's just being unreasonable.

Why can't people try to argue things that actually have a basis and actual evidence supporting?

The OP was dicussing how certain Obots lie and pretend how Obama was never ever was a Moslem and how those same very people tell us he is Christian.
I wouldn't believe anything Obama said one way or the other.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Here we are in 2011 and this information is still hard to talk about.

Flashback to October 2008.

YouTube - Obama - What Every Christian Should Know - UNCUT

 

[religious&reasonable]

The OP was dicussing how certain Obots lie and pretend how Obama was never ever was a Moslem and how those same very people tell us he is Christian.
I wouldn't believe anything Obama said one way or the other.

On a technical level, yes he was a muslim. But he didn't know anything about christianity back then. He didn't have a choice. It's like if you're parents raised you athiest or Hindu. you weren't aware or didn't fully understand the other options at the time. Holding him accountable for being muslim at the age of 7 is like saying Babies that aren't baptised should go to hell. It just doesnt make any sense.

And eventually he did understand and said "Dude this relgion is messed up im converting to chrisitanity". And it's not like him "technically" being muslim AT THE AGE OF 7 completeley warped his view of the world. If that were true I would still think that Vegetables are biggest threat to america.

He is no more at fault for this than we are of wetting the beds at the age of 3.

No can we move on to a real issue?

 

[Gishin]

It's herbie, of course you can't.

 

[pennmark]

Yes, well, openly discriminatory letters generally don't get printed.

And it was rather pointless. So what if he's a Muslim? It would be perfectly legal; who cares?

Don't you think what Muhammed said was openly discriminatory?

I care because I'm a Christian who is concerned for my fellow Christians and the nation I live in. We can't rely on the constitution to adequately defend us in all situations.

 

[pennmark]

On a technical level, yes he was a muslim. But he didn't know anything about christianity back then. He didn't have a choice. It's like if you're parents raised you athiest or Hindu. you weren't aware or didn't fully understand the other options at the time. Holding him accountable for being muslim at the age of 7 is like saying Babies that aren't baptised should go to hell. It just doesnt make any sense.

And eventually he did understand and said "Dude this relgion is messed up im converting to chrisitanity". And it's not like him "technically" being muslim AT THE AGE OF 7 completeley warped his view of the world. If that were true I would still think that Vegetables are biggest threat to america.

He is no more at fault for this than we are of wetting the beds at the age of 3.

No can we move on to a real issue?

The point of my letter was that he lied about never being a muslim, and that we can't trust what he says because of the insanity of Islam.

 

[DaisyDay]

On a technical level, yes he was a muslim.

What makes you think he was ever a Muslim? His father was an atheist and his mother agnostic.

 

[pennmark]

From everything I've read, al-taqiyya is something that allows a Muslim to conceal their faith if under threat of persecution, physical harm, or coercion. It's not a case of "lie to the Christians so I can infiltrate their society".

The folks who say that are probably the same ones who claim that jihad is purely a "spiritual" struggle. Lying to advance Islam is encouraged.

A horrifying thing about Islam is that advancing Islam is the ultimate virtue. The only guaranteed way to get to heaven is by dying while fighting a holy war. That's why so many militant muslims are anxious to blow themselves up. Lying to wage jihad is a good work which counts towards earning your way to heaven.

It's one of the primary differences between Islam and Christianity. We Christians believe that our love of Jesus redeems us and makes us worthy of heaven. The Muslims believe they have to earn their way into heaven.

 

[pennmark]

Obama has proven himself to be a liar. He not only broke many campaign promises but hes made the economic situation so much worse. He lied about the stimulus package, saying unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. He lied about the abortion language in the health care bill. And he has continually lied about his affiliations with Rev. Wright (not to mention his birth place).

Why should I trust anything he says?

Jesus said that Satan was the father of lies.

 

[pennmark]

Still beating up Obama over the religious thing, I see


I can't wait until we start beating up on Reverend Wright again!


They were soooooo unChristian-like we may as well called the Moslems (herbies new thing).

Wright is another of those fake Christians. Just listen to the things he said. Jesus said you can judge a tree by its fruit.

 

[DaisyDay]

The folks who say that are probably the same ones who claim that jihad is purely a "spiritual" struggle. Lying to advance Islam is encouraged.

A horrifying thing about Islam is that advancing Islam is the ultimate virtue. The only guaranteed way to get to heaven is by dying while fighting a holy war. That's why so many militant muslims are anxious to blow themselves up. Lying to wage jihad is a good work which counts towards earning your way to heaven.

It's one of the primary differences between Islam and Christianity. We Christians believe that our love of Jesus redeems us and makes us worthy of heaven. The Muslims believe they have to earn their way into heaven.

It's really kewl how you know so much more about Islam than the Muslims do. Of course, as you pointed out, how can we ever know what they know when they're all dirty liars anyway.[/sarcasm]

 

[pennmark]

What makes you think he was ever a Muslim? His father was an atheist and his mother agnostic.

According to what I've read, his father was a muslim. Obama claimed his mother was an atheist, but according to Indonesian law at that time, when she married his step-dad she had to be a muslim too.

 

[salida]

Judge Obama by his actions NOT his lip service.

 

[pennmark]

Not only are you convinced that you are special, in that you see an Obama conspiracy that no one else does, now you are the judge as to who on this board are Christians

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
Abraham Lincoln

You did not even fool anyone at anytime!

I don't understand how someone would consider themself a believer in Jesus and not be concerned about a political movement like Islam whose founder believed that the believers of Jesus should be persecuted.

 

[pennmark]

It's really kewl how you know so much more about Islam than the Muslims do. Of course, as you pointed out, how can we ever know what they know when they're all dirty liars anyway.[/sarcasm]

Just study the Koran, Daisy baby. It's all in there.

 

[pennmark]

Judge Obama by his actions NOT his lip service.

You're right. We could probably say he's one of the biggest baby killers of all time. He should worry about his immortal soul.

Oh, wait. If he is a Muslim, he needn't worry. They're only Christian babies, after all!

 

[DaisyDay]

According to what I've read, his father was a muslim. Obama claimed his mother was an atheist, but according to Indonesian law at that time, when she married his step-dad she had to be a muslim too.

See, that's the problem with reading nothing but anti-Obama trash - everything you read confirms what you've already read (because they all stem from the same sources repeated ad nauseum).

Obama's mother married her second husband in Hawaii. Hawaii has no such laws. If you think there was such a law in Indonesia, cite it and how it applies to non-citizens.

 

[pennmark]

Maybe you are a Muslim? If you say "no" that is just evidence that you actually are because Muslims lie?

I'm sure there are Muslims who would like to kill Americans. That doesn't make Obama a Muslim nor does it imply that majority of Muslims want to kill me or even think about me one way or the other. I'm not a big fan of the Islamic faith. I just don't buy into the fear mongering.

The radicals tend to take over Muslim societies. Just look at Iran. Even in Turkey, where there is "freedom of religion", 99 percent of the population is Muslim.

I'm sorry folks, but we really do need to be afraid. If Islam conquers the Earth, it'll be back to the catacombs for all of us.

 

[DaisyDay]

Just study the Koran, Daisy baby. It's all in there.

And so much more. As with all religions, different sects adhere to different parts of the text which often contradict other parts.

Do you adhere to Romans 13?

 

[JoyJuice]

Ignoring context of questions and building strawmen is fourth grade, eh?

As non seqintors are third grade eh?

I'm sorry, there was no question only a link that when clicked a virus alert popped up.

If you have any questions, just let me know and I will be more then happy to entertain.