Why We Can't Trust What Obama Says About His Religion

[laconicstudent]

Seems to be a lot of Christian symbols on this thread, with few real Christians.

Indeed, because the real measure of any Christian is how many conspiracy theories relating to the President of the United States they believe in and whether they support poorly-written, inflammatory letters.

 

[pennmark]

I would like say a quick few things about the comments posted about my letter.

First, I think most of you are conveniently ignoring the fact that Obama was a Muslim when he was a youth and then lied about it.

Second, you're ignoring the fact that Muhammed encouraged his followers to use deceit to advance Islam.

Third, I don't think you folks want to admit to yourselves that good muslims want to kill you. They want to cut your fingers off. If they gain the upper hand on us in this world, they'll do just that. You better believe they would, because Muhammed told them to.

 

[RedDead1981]

Seems to be a lot of Christian symbols on this thread, with few real Christians.

Christianity is a big tent, and they don't all have to agree with you to be Christian. You're the second person to recently cme in here and get offended that liberal Christians are here (get used to it).

Your argument fails on many levels. It assumes that, if one is deemed a Muslim by Islamic law, that never changes for the remainder of the persons life. That is false. How often do we hear about Catholics leaving the church? Are they still Catholic? No. Being Catholic or Muslim is not something genetic that you can't leave behind.

Lying? He's a politician. He doesn't need to fall back on Muslim heritage to lie, he can do that just fine without it. It would have to be a deception of monumental scale, spanning across several decades and involving hundreds for him to hide a secret Muslim allegiance.

 

[Gishin]

You're so full of it. Declining to publish your letter keeps looking more and more like sanest move on their part.

 

[RedDead1981]

Third, I don't think you folks want to admit to yourselves that good muslims want to kill you. They want to cut your fingers off. If they gain the upper hand on us in this world, they'll do just that. You better believe they would, because Muhammed told them to.

And God told you to stone homosexuals and people who don't trim their beards, but you don't see mobs marching, stone in hand, down to the gay barbershop. Religious books say lots of things that are off the wall. Our own brains tell us otherwise.

 

[Christos Anesti]

Second, you're ignoring the fact that Muhammed encouraged his followers to use deceit to advance Islam.

Maybe you are a Muslim? If you say "no" that is just evidence that you actually are because Muslims lie?

Third, I don't think you folks want to admit to yourselves that good muslims want to kill you. They want to cut your fingers off. If they gain the upper hand on us in this world, they'll do just that. You better believe they would, because Muhammed told them to.

I'm sure there are Muslims who would like to kill Americans. That doesn't make Obama a Muslim nor does it imply that majority of Muslims want to kill me or even think about me one way or the other. I'm not a big fan of the Islamic faith. I just don't buy into the fear mongering.

 

[EdwinWillers]

I would like to see your facts proving Obama worships on the greens with his caddy.

This one's been flogged ad-nauseum and really isn't up for debate; but if you insist, you can read this post, then this post, then this one.

FWIW, I was being humorous, with a touch of sarcasm over an obvious incongruity, which matters much to some, little to others. I really don't care one way or the other whether he goes to the golf course more often than he does church. Apparently though it matters much to you. If I offended you, I'm sorry - though I confess I fail to see what could possibly cause offense in pointing that particular fact out in the context I did.

 

[laconicstudent]

Why am I suddenly thinking of Landover Baptist Church in this thread?

 

[Ryal Kane]

So Obama is a Christian when you want to attack his previous pastor, but he's a Muslim in all other situations?

Oh no. He's both at the same time.

Doublethink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JoyJuice]

I think Obama to my knowledge has made more statements about his religion then any other President, he along with JFK...so just looking at the broad view it was the Negro and the Irish Catholic who had to defend and ease others about their faith.

....Hmmmmm

 

[EdwinWillers]

I take these protestations that Obama is a Muslim or whatever with the same seriousness that I do that W. Bush, McCain, Huckabee, Romney, and now apparently Scott Brown and Chris Christie are "RINOs".

Instead of typing out a long explanation, let me just say that the who "RINO" meme is a joke. It's made even more pathetic when people like a coworker of mine who is hardly a social conservative is using it to describe people he otherwise would agree with on fiscal and defense issues, but because they've fallen out of favor with the current avant garde he drinks the Flavor-Aid.

I think you're confusing terms. RINO is certainly not a meme, having existed decades before the Internet ever came into being - perhaps as early as a century ago - and is no different in usage than is DINO or Blue Dog; both (RINO, DINO) describe those in either party who are closer to the other party's political view points than those in their own party base. They acknowledge the existence of a continuum in political ideology whereas the terms 'Democrat' and 'Republican' acknowledge but two finite groups that span that continuum. In truth, they acknowledge the existence of that group of politicians with feet in both camps, whose political views are less (if at all) ideological and more pragmatic, caring less about why things get done, and more that things get done.

 

[tulc]

Seems to be a lot of Christian symbols on this thread, with few real Christians.

And by "real Christians" those would be the ones who agree with your understanding of Gods views on this subject?
tulc(wonders if that would be what you mean by the above?)

 

[HerbieHeadley]

And by "real Christians" those would be the ones who agree with your understanding of Gods views on this subject?

Do you have some points to make about the post that do not agree with Gods view on this suject under your understanding?

And if so, could you actually expound upon these views or not?

tulc(wonders if that would be what you mean by the above?)

Herbie(wonders)

 

[DaisyDay]

I think you're confusing terms. RINO is certainly not a meme, having existed decades before the Internet ever came into being - perhaps as early as a century ago - and is no different in usage than is DINO or Blue Dog; both (RINO, DINO) describe those in either party who are closer to the other party's political view points than those in their own party base. They acknowledge the existence of a continuum in political ideology whereas the terms 'Democrat' and 'Republican' acknowledge but two finite groups that span that continuum. In truth, they acknowledge the existence of that group of politicians with feet in both camps, whose political views are less (if at all) ideological and more pragmatic, caring less about why things get done, and more that things get done.

The longer term "Republican in name only" was used at least as early as 1920, but the acronym "RINO" is far more recent - earliest print citation seems to be 1992 - still before internet usage became popular (according to Wiki & its linked source).

 

[HerbieHeadley]

The longer term "Republican in name only" was used at least as early as 1920, but the acronym "RINO" is far more recent - earliest print citation seems to be 1992 - still before internet usage became popular (according to Wiki & its linked source).

Doesn't matter. If the "Reuplicans" do not get the lead out, they will be the 'Rino' of the 'Whig' party.

 

[tulc]

Do you have some points to make about the post that do not agree with Gods view on this suject under your understanding?

Sure:

My personal opinion is that Islam was satanically inspired. The advancement of Islam relies a great deal on murdering and lying. Jesus described Satan as being a murderer and the "father of lies" (John 8:44).

Your personal opinion is wrong, but as it's your opinion feel free to hold it.

Because of Islam's inherently decietful and antagonistic nature, it is not appropriate for a christian nation to have a muslim leader.

Laying aside the whole myth of there being such a thing as a "Christian Nations" I'm going to have to say: "No need to worry, President Obama is a Christian!" But when America does elect a Muslim to the Presidency? I say you have the freedom to flee to some other country you like the leader of better. God speed!

America can accurately be described as Judeo-Christian, and because of Obama's Muslim past, he is not suitable to be our President.

Several million citizens of America didn't (and still don't) agree with you. And when he takes office again 2012, America will still have a Christian President.

He may not be a bad man, but it is impossible for us to trust his religion.

two points come to mind: 1) I don't understand why you distrust a fellow Christian so much? and 2) I honestly don't trust anyone's religion, they all have way too much bloody on their hands, so I'd look first to the man (or woman) and then at their religion (or lack there of, in fact the politician I trust the most was an unabashed atheist who I would vote for in a heart beat because she's never betrayed us as opposed to several "Christian" politicians we've dealt with over the years.)

And if so, could you actually expound upon these views or not?

Like that?

Herbie(wonders)

tulc(isn't there something so satisfying about posting parenthetically?)

 

[tulc]

Doesn't matter. If the "Reuplicans" do not get the lead out, they will be the 'Rino' of the 'Whig' party.

Ok, that was actually pretty funny!
tulc(just sayn')

 

[GQ Chris]

Seems to be a lot of Christian symbols on this thread, with few real Christians.

So says the member of the Roman Catholic church whose religious organization goes against the teachings of Christ.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Penmark
Seems to be a lot of Christian symbols on this thread, with few real Christians.

Not only are you convinced that you are special, in that you see an Obama conspiracy that no one else does, now you are the judge as to who on this board are Christians

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
Abraham Lincoln

You did not even fool anyone at anytime!

 

[USincognito]

I think you're confusing terms. RINO is certainly not a meme, having existed decades before the Internet ever came into being.

I think you're confusing current parlance with a concept. An Internet meme is not the same as the original definition which is a idea, concept or weltanschauung that spreads among a population. And you were so myopically focused on language that you missed my point entirely.

The flavor of the day (or month, decade, etc.) doesn't determine the bona fides of a member of a political party. Neither do the ideologues. Elected officials, candidates and party apparachniks are by definition members of said party and thus, when fringe affiliates or members declare them anathema because they weren't ideologically pure enough it renders party affiliation a joke and makes it more akin to a cult.

I remember the concept of Big Tent. That concept is missing in the very existance in the appelation of "RINO" especially with regard to elected Repubicans who are conservative when it comes to fiscal and defense related issues.