America needs to start reform with getting rid of the "rubber rooms" as well.

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Teachers Unions: The Child Molester’s Best Friend - Big Journalism

Imagine if you could get full salary and benefits for a decent paying job and you didn’t have to work to get it. All you had to do was be accused of a crime.

What crime, you ask? How about molesting school kids?

The most vile of them all. Sick people that search and destroy the children.

Unions and public sector jobs are the most unholy alliance of our times. These beasts should never have mated, because they’ve issued forth monstrous offspring in the form of dire consequences that no one probably saw coming. And many victims have been left in their destructive wake.

You have two bureaucracies with the dual intent of protecting their power at all cost and increasing in size every year. These goals lead to a sickening metastasis that rots both entities over time until they become bloated, cancerous threats to the health of the body politic. []

Teacher's Unions should be banned.
 

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Um, that's a rather silly idea.
Why?

Would NAMBLA be upset?

Would there be a few less female teachers thinking they can steal a young boy's future?

Why is this silly? I'm going to have to ask you to back up that statement.

Got a link or anything?
 
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Why?

Would NAMBLA be upset?

I think everyone can see that's irrelevant.

Would there be a few less female teachers thinking they can steal a young boy's future?

No.

Why is this silly? I'm going to have to ask you to back up that statement.

Because the idea that we should dissolve unions in some bizarre attempt to stop child predators is completely illogical, maybe?

Got a link or anything?

Common sense.
 
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you want to be a teacher? Go rape and molest children.
Oh yes, I can already tell this article is going to provide a salient argument to anything.


I find this stupidly offensive.

Boooo.
Well, who is coddling the criminal? I gather you would be for reforming the union first?

Why does the state or federal government need special unions to begin with?
 
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Why does the state of federal government need special unions to begin with?

Have you ever had a union job? I get the feeling that people who make unions out to be some horrible monstrosities must have never been involved with an actual union. It's simply workplace democracy. Unions allow workers to voice their concerns and remedy them more efficiently and effectively. It insures a give and take between workers and employers rather than the employers simply dictating and the employees being stuck with it.
 
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Have you ever had a union job?
Only one of the few private sector ones.
I get the feeling that people who make unions out to be some horrible monstrosities must have never been involved with an actual union. It's simply workplace democracy.
Unions allow workers to voice their concerns and remedy them more efficiently and effectively.
If you say so.
It insures a give and take between workers and employers rather than the employers simply dictating and the employees being stuck with it.
Agreed, however working for the government puts these unions in a padded situation.

Morning Bell: Americans Are Fleeing Obama’s Crony Capitalist Economy | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

Same as Crony Capitalism defined.
 
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I think this is what Herbie is trying to illustrate, quote:

"He hasn’t set foot in a classroom in seven years since beating criminal and disciplinary charges. Chancellor Joel Klein keeps Olivares in a “rubber room,” a district office where teachers accused of misconduct sit all day with nothing to do."

Do you guys support paying over 94K a year for one guy to sit and do nothing?
 
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Do you guys support paying over 94K a year for one guy to sit and do nothing?

No, not particularly. I think problems like that could be resolved without going to the extreme of abolishing unions for state employees all together though.
 
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I think this is what Herbie is trying to illustrate, quote:

"He hasn’t set foot in a classroom in seven years since beating criminal and disciplinary charges. Chancellor Joel Klein keeps Olivares in a “rubber room,” a district office where teachers accused of misconduct sit all day with nothing to do."

Do you guys support paying over 94K a year for one guy to sit and do nothing?

Do you really think there are only two extremes? Either pay child molesters to sit around and do nothing or abolish unions altogether?
Perhaps states that are having this problem should renegotiate.
 
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Do you really think there are only two extremes? Either pay child molesters to sit around and do nothing or abolish unions altogether?
Perhaps states that are having this problem should renegotiate.
I'm thinking that is the only way...

Here is a list of some left-speak that can maybe make a dent.

NYC Rubber Room Reporter
 
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Hmm,

Looks like a pretty new urban legend! I say new becaseu snopes has nothing when I searched on Francisco Olivares. I say legend because I found this link:

Weird Teacher Watch: Francisco Olivares Gets Paid to Not Have Sex With Students - True Crime Report

Which has a very similar report. But instead of being set in California it is set in New York.

Now some people may think both are evil, but I hope even the detractors will admit we are evil in different ways.
Snopes is a partisan hack site. People should stop acting otherwise.
 
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Snopes is a partisan hack site. People should stop acting otherwise.

Wow, an ad hom attack against a site which I clearly said has no information!

And of course no mention of the link I did provide to another site reporting the same "news" but with New York taking the place of California.
 
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Snopes is a partisan hack site. People should stop acting otherwise.


It does tend to make the right/left wing fear mongers job a lot harder by disproving all their favorite myths, right? ;)
tulc(could see why that would be pretty annoying to some people) :sorry:
 
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Wow, an ad hom attack against a site which I clearly said has no information!

And of course no mention of the link I did provide to another site reporting the same "news" but with New York taking the place of California.
Sorry, I'm partisan against 'Snopes' omission of facts. I will read your link now. (guilty as charged) :blush:

Did you read my link?

http://nycrubberroomreporter.blogspot.com/
 
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Sorry, I'm partisan against 'Snopes' omission of facts. I will read your link now. (guilty as charged) :blush:

As an aside? Way to man-up Herbie. :thumbsup:
tulc(likes when we're honest with each other) :wave:
 
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