U.K. plan would allow same-sex unions in church

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What is going on in the U.S is very similar right now. 2 states allow unions and 3 others for some kind of Gay legal something.

This is not cool especially not for God. The Bible is very clear on God’s stance to same sex partner ship. We can read for example in Genesis. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have relations with the angels whom they thought were men.

Lot went out of his house and He said”Do not do this evil detestable thing’. But I have 2 daughters that have not known a man ok? It is not right to be with a woman outside of marriage like in this case. But apparently the act of same sex occurances made God more unpleased. And there is not a time in the New Testament where Jesus gives any approval of this. All relationships concerning marriage in the Bible is always between a man and a woman. God created Adam and Eve for that first example of how God wanted things to be.

Now many in the UK and the USA ignore the Words of God. What will God do? We don’t know. But one thing for sure it will not be blessings for such lawlessness.
 
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What is going on in the U.S is very similar right now. 2 states allow unions and 3 others for some kind of Gay legal something.

This is not cool especially not for God. The Bible is very clear on God’s stance to same sex partner ship. We can read for example in Genesis. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have relations with the angels whom they thought were men.

Lot went out of his house and He said”Do not do this evil detestable thing’. But I have 2 daughters that have not known a man ok? It is not right to be with a woman outside of marriage like in this case. But apparently the act of same sex occurances made God more unpleased. And there is not a time in the New Testament where Jesus gives any approval of this. All relationships concerning marriage in the Bible is always between a man and a woman. God created Adam and Eve for that first example of how God wanted things to be.

Now many in the UK and the USA ignore the Words of God. What will God do? We don’t know. But one thing for sure it will not be blessings for such lawlessness.

The Sodom story concerns rape -- male-on-male rape, to be sure, but rape. "Bring them out, that we may take them and 'know' them." Know being yada, to have carnal knowledge of, i.e., in context, to rape.

n mny opinion, anyone who actually (as opposed to rhetorically) cannot distinguish between marriage and rape should be locked up for the safety of their fellow citizens.

And I, and most others who support same-sex marriage, are aware of what the Bible has to say. The point is, we don't make laws on the basis of what the Bible says -- or at least we shouldn't. Or else all the Presbyterians, Baptists, etc., should be compelled by law to submit themselves to the authority of bishops set apart by the apostles or their successors, just as Paul says in the Pastoral Epistles that they should. Americans have and cherish freedom from religious dictates -- they choose to subject themselves to what they individually understand God's will to be, not have it forced on them by the power of the state. Many of us think that freedom is worth defending, even if something we personally favor is the topic under debate.
 
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The Sodom story concerns rape -- male-on-male rape, to be sure, but rape. "Bring them out, that we may take them and 'know' them." Know being yada, to have carnal knowledge of, i.e., in context, to rape.
NO. The account doesn’t mention rape, the word ‘yada’ is to know in most cases socially or factually, but the only other use is carnally as in Genesis 4 Adam lay with his wife (‘yada)Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.



As to the law potentially about to be passed, the following:
The gay rights lobbies and much of society have not called them civil partnerships but gay marriage. It has always been their intent to force same sex ‘unions’
The assurances of the UK government have thus not been met.
Where any conflict of interest has occurred gay rights have trumped the rights of religion.

Now the crunch is coming.

The Church of England holds to the same view as the rest of the Anglican Communion, as the rest of majority mainstream Christian churches worldwide, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical Alliance etc. that that God has created man and woman to be in union, marriage and same sex relations are error. Many mainstream Christians worldwide also see departure from this core Biblical theme throughout as a major departure from the faith once delivered. I am one of those Christians. This is the undeniable fact despite what many pro-gay factions within the church try and spin to the contrary.

The crux of the matter is that under such legislation, on past form, gay lobbies will attack the churches for civil partnerships under the banner of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. That’s simply not going to happen without a massive rupture of society.

Also, I have been to civil partnerships of friends, which of course have no religious element, if they were to be held as ‘christian’ I wouldn’t be able to go.
 
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Anyplace that would allow a same-sex marriage wasn't a house of God to begin with. Anyone performing such a thing in the name of Christ will suffer the same fate as anyone else doing any other evil "in the name of the Lord".

Adulterers, those who steal in His name, those who murder "in the name of the Lord".

This is just yet another attempt by the enemy to confuse and lead people astray; tricking lost people into thinking that something Holy Scripture refers to as an abomination before the Lord is acceptable.

Same ol' same ol'.
 
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Goverment should never have been able to tell churches they can or can't perform a religious ceremony, nor should they tell a church they must.

Within limits, churches should be able to decide for themselves what is right according to thier beliefs, pro or con.

I believe any church in the US can perform any marriage/uniting ceremony it wants too. Granted the goverment does not recognize the marriage but the church can still do it.
 
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Goverment should never have been able to tell churches they can or can't perform a religious ceremony, nor should they tell a church they must.

I am going to have to disagree. If a church decides to get extra incentives for its business like no taxes, or be directly connected with the government (see church of england) then it should have to follow rules that force it to not discriminate and as such should be forced to allow homosexual marriages.

Any church that chooses to not be a state church or to receive tax money from the people should be able to act as it desires.
 
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What is going on in the U.S is very similar right now. 2 states allow unions and 3 others for some kind of Gay legal something.

This is not cool especially not for God.

I don't know about you, but the God I worship is big enough to take same-sex couples being allowed to get married.

The Bible is very clear on God’s stance to same sex partner ship. We can read for example in Genesis. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have relations with the angels whom they thought were men.

Well, that's all those marriages in which mobs of rampaging men try to rape angels sorted out, then.

Which represents about 0% of same-sex marriages.

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Sorry but its discrimination either way, against the Christians or against the homosexuals.

It's discrimination against same-sex couples if they're not allowed to marry.

It's not discrimination against Christians if same-sex couples are allowed to marry, though.

Unless you have a somewhat skewed definition of what "discrimination" means...

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Anyplace that would allow a same-sex marriage wasn't a house of God to begin with. Anyone performing such a thing in the name of Christ will suffer the same fate as anyone else doing any other evil "in the name of the Lord".

Adulterers, those who steal in His name, those who murder "in the name of the Lord".

What's evil about allowing two people of the same sex to marry each other? Seriously?

David.
 
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What's evil about allowing two people of the same sex to marry each other? Seriously?

David.


Biblically, sexual relations are the exclusive right and responsibility of a married man and a married woman. The must also be married to each other. Marriage is Biblically defined as a man and a woman. What God calls and abomination, is, by that fact alone "evil".
 
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NO. The account doesn’t mention rape, the word ‘yada’ is to know in most cases socially or factually, but the only other use is carnally as in Genesis 4 Adam lay with his wife (‘yada)Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.
Do you know anything at all about rape? Rapists don't call what they do rape. They call it sex. In a rapist's sick, twisted mind, the victim wants to be dominated sexually, though in reality they certainly don't.

As to the law potentially about to be passed, the following:
The gay rights lobbies and much of society have not called them civil partnerships but gay marriage. It has always been their intent to force same sex ‘unions’
Force? Are they breaking into people's houses and forcing men to marry men, or women to marry women? Are they enforcing privileges upon those who marry the same sex? Because straight married couples get a lot of privileges most people would never think of.

The assurances of the UK government have thus not been met.
Where any conflict of interest has occurred gay rights have trumped the rights of religion.
So... allowing people to exercise their rights infringes upon the exercise to practice one's faith. How have gay rights trumped the rights of religion? Tell me how, coherently and with sources.

Now the crunch is coming.

The Church of England holds to the same view as the rest of the Anglican Communion, as the rest of majority mainstream Christian churches worldwide, Roman Catholic, Baptist, Evangelical Alliance etc. that that God has created man and woman to be in union, marriage and same sex relations are error. Many mainstream Christians worldwide also see departure from this core Biblical theme throughout as a major departure from the faith once delivered. I am one of those Christians. This is the undeniable fact despite what many pro-gay factions within the church try and spin to the contrary.
Unfortunately for you, homosexuality is a biological fact and is not inherently harmful- in fact a theory is that it keeps the population from growing out of control. Humans being humans, we have to reproduce to win the "war in the bedroom" (?!) and override our natural instincts. I have a hard time believing that God would create someone with a specific sin already ingrained into them. Original sin, whatever, but one specific sin, when the original Bible says so little about homosexuality?

Keep in mind that there are exactly 6 verses in the Bible that have anything to do with homosexuality, and all of them can be interpreted in different ways, thanks to the original Bible not being written in English.

The crux of the matter is that under such legislation, on past form, gay lobbies will attack the churches for civil partnerships under the banner of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation. That’s simply not going to happen without a massive rupture of society.
The same was said about black civil rights and women's rights and their positions in the church, ignoring the many denominations that have historically supported both black and female pastors. So far society has not ruptured, and I think we can tolerate gays. the way I see it, the more people who feel comfortable and safe in their society, the better. And do NOT bring up criminals, as homosexuality is in no way comparable to any crime and is not currently illegal in either the US or the UK.

Also, I have been to civil partnerships of friends, which of course have no religious element, if they were to be held as ‘christian’ I wouldn’t be able to go.
The classic "but I have gay friends!" excuse, with a slight twist that reveals you are not very tolerant at all.

The legislation allows same-sex unions in church, not forces them. Do learn the difference.
 
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What's evil about allowing two people of the same sex to marry each other? Seriously?

Well no disrespect intended but you ask seriously? According to the Bible which is inerrant I would seriously read Genesis 19 and that should speak for itself.

And I would ask one question if any one person were facing God at this moment and he says "Why did you do such a thing?" How would you really answer him? I'm curious.:confused:

Sounds like to me that anyone that truly believes in this is truly of the world and not of God.
Please don't get me wrong I am definitely again this but I know of some that are and care about them.
I hope to one day to help them to truly know our Lord and Savior.
But I know it's free will and God will handle all in the end no matter what any human being thinks or feels.
 
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What God calls and abomination, is, by that fact alone "evil".

Which isn't really answering the question. What is there about letting two men or two women marry each other that God calls an abomination? What is there about it that can constitute "evil"?

David.
 
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Well no disrespect intended but you ask seriously?

Yes, I ask seriously.

According to the Bible which is inerrant I would seriously read Genesis 19 and that should speak for itself.

I've read it. It says absolutely nothing about allowing two people of the same sex to get married.

And I would ask one question if any one person were facing God at this moment and he says "Why did you do such a thing?" How would you really answer him? I'm curious.:confused:

If God asked me why I allowed a same-sex couple to get married? I'd answer that I didn't want to deny them the same joy that I've had, to marry their loved one and to spend the rest of their lives together.

David.
 
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