Islam Vs Christianity

[LittleLambofJesus]

Now you are switching to the 5th trumpet prophecy. But that is OK. It refers to the 5 month Winter War between Finland and the USSR. Frostbite like the sting of scorpion tormented the Soviet soldiers for 5 months, allowing tiny Finland to stand up to, and defeat, the great harlot.

I give up......yer on your own here now bro

 

[higherFaith]

No one touch LLoJ! I'm here for his protection!

 

[interpreter]

NIV. Which one are you using?

The NIV gets a lot of things wrong. I usually quote from the NKJV.

The Revelation is part of the Bible. It is already testimony to Jesus. He doesn't need us to 'figure it out' so we can know which political leaders to follow. Especially not if doing so means buying into a pro-war agenda that denies His teachings.

All Bible prophecy is meant to be figured out. Otherwise what is the purpose of it?

They are called horsemen, not men. They come from seals which will be broken apart in heaven by the Lamb of God, therefore they will come from heaven.

A horseman is a man the last time I checked.

But the verse says all good things foretold. If D-Day wasd one one of these things, and not all of them, the verse does not apply to it.

What verse?

Did you watch the videos from my blog?

No, but I will when I have time. Can you post the link again?

That is an ungodly way of excusing killing innocent people. It is the result of disobeying Jesus and going to war with your enemies. It won't fly when you face Him on Judgement Day.

I will soon be going to meet my maker, and I'm sure I will be rewarded for taking part in the Viet Nam war.

As is in the case of the biggest terrorist armed force in the world- the US Air Force, Army, Navy and Marines.

You get everything so bass-ackwards.

Russia is still a worldpower and Christian Russia was not defeated because most Russians remained Christian. One of America's founders, Jefferson, was a deist not a Christian.

The soviet Union was an atheist nation, and the Russians who fought for their atheist nation will have to answer to God.

Which of the facts I listed do you claim is false? The genocide of the First Nations peoples? Enslavement and discrimination against African Americans? The conquest and murder of people in South and Latin America?

They are all well-known historical facts. Do you believe you can follow Jesus and mistreat and kill people who have done you absolutely no harm?

The US brings hell and death as prophesied.

And resist the foreign policies waged by their leaders that involve war and supporting dictatorships, as well as economically hurting their neighbours. But neither Democrats or Republicans care about these things.

Yes, we should not support dictatorships.

 

[godisreal36]

IN Christianity, we all know the eye for an eye passage. " you have heard it before, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but let me tell you if someone slaps you right cheek, turn and let him slap your left." So basically if we are attacked, as Christians we are no to retaliate and we are to accept and forgive the attacker.

Now I found that the same " eye for an eye" phrase is used in Islam, but instead of turning the other cheek, Muslims are allowed to retaliate back, but only the amount that they were attacked by. This was put into concept when a Islamic court in Saudi Arabia rule that a man would have his spinal cord sergically paralysed after he paralysed a man in a fight.... Did anyone else notice the difference between Islam and Christianity???

Islam instructs us to do the easier thing, retaliate, revenge. But do 2 wrongs make a right? In Islam they do. Anyway hopefully Muslims will realize that it's better to forgive an turn the other cheek, like Christianity tells us to.

I don't know if this is spinal cord thing is true but it disturbs me and makes me want to throw up.

I try to turn the other cheek when i can, as much as i can without my head spinning completely around in a 360 degree turn instead of the intended 90 degrees that is needed in order to turn the other cheek properly.

One can only turn it so far before this happens so caution must also be used when turning the other cheek to your enemy. Also truth is only a slap in the face when not combined with love and mercy. They are hard to combine sometimes yet All things work for the good of those that Love God when one chooses to let them.

Sometimes i fail to turn the other cheek all together, when this happens, Grace sustains me if i let it.

The truth must always be told, its just a matter of how and when its done.

 

[godisreal36]

I'm not sure whats being said here and don't care. Mr Obama is President and worthy of respect, that's all I know. Although I don't agree with Him concerning many things,that doesn't mean im nessesarily right or wrong, he's Gods problem if there even is one, and let your voice be heard in the elections by casting a ballot, thats what they're for. God Put Mr. Obama there and we should be careful and give him and every other President the respect that God demands. Love is the greatest. Relax Gods in control.

I have found that like oil and water, politics and Gods word don't easily mix. Politics is full of hate on both sides and its hard to see what the truth actually is sometimes. Some have the Gift of Government concerning the HS and His gifts, others do not. Leave it up to them is my political philosophy now

Jesus is my only way now.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No one touch LLoJ! I'm here for his protection!

Thank ya mate!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You are so ridiculous. Who is president, and what color is he?

You don't seem to understand what it is that I am doing here... I am turning your own logic against you to show that it is your logic that is ridiculous. If and when there is an Atheist president, perhaps you will understand... perhaps by asking yourself the question: 'Who is president, and what faith is he/she?'

 

[Kalevalatar]

Now you are switching to the 5th trumpet prophecy. But that is OK. It refers to the 5 month Winter War between Finland and the USSR. Frostbite like the sting of scorpion tormented the Soviet soldiers for 5 months, allowing tiny Finland to stand up to, and defeat, the great harlot.

Finland did stand up to, that much is true in the above statement, but it was the late Soviet Union that defeated Finland like hands down. After the Winter War, the "Great harlot" went on to continue its existence another half a century (and Russia is still Finland's formidable eastern neighbour, in case you haven't paid attention), whereas 1/3 of the former Finland ceased to exist, including the third largest Finnish city, Viipuri/Vyborg, which today is a thoroughly Russian city and a only a bittersweet Finnish memory.

 

[interpreter]

Finland did stand up to, that much is true in the above statement, but it was the late Soviet Union that defeated Finland like hands down. After the Winter War, the "Great harlot" went on to continue its existence another half a century (and Russia is still Finland's formidable eastern neighbour, in case you haven't paid attention), whereas 1/3 of the former Finland ceased to exist, including the third largest Finnish city, Viipuri/Vyborg, which today is a thoroughly Russian city and a only a bittersweet Finnish memory.

The Soviet Union had wanted to take all of Finland, and had to settle for a few acres.

 

[Ar Cosc]

The Soviet Union had wanted to take all of Finland, and had to settle for a few acres.

And Finland wanted to keep all of Finland, and lost a third of her territory. Which was hardly "a few acres"

 

[interpreter]

And Finland wanted to keep all of Finland, and lost a third of her territory. Which was hardly "a few acres"

Finland lost 11 % of its territory. The fact that she stopped the westward advance of the far superior Soviet army is a miracle, and the first "Woe."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Finland lost 11 % of its territory. The fact that she stopped the advance of the far superior Soviet army is a miracle, and the first "Woe."

Only 2 woes left then

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

Reve 9:12 The woe, the one departs.
Behold! is coming still two woes after these.


Reve 11:14 The woe, the second, departs.
Behold! the third woe is coming swiftly

 

[Ar Cosc]

Finland lost 11 % of its territory. The fact that she stopped the westward advance of the far superior Soviet army is a miracle, and the first "Woe."

And yet hardly a victory, regardless of the exact figure. Funny how you're concerned with accuracy now, when just a few posts ago, 130 million was just as good as 200 million.

I'm still waiting for some justification of why all these things correspond to the vague predictions in Revelations, aside from "Interpreter made it up"

 

[Kalevalatar]

The Soviet Union had wanted to take all of Finland, and had to settle for a few acres.

I have already refuted your claim "the Soviet Union wanted to take all of Finland" here and showed you how and why you got it all wrong.

Oh well, repetitio est mater studiorum.

How can someone from Finland not know Finnish history? Here is a direct quote from Wikipedia's article on the winter war:
"The Soviet forces did not accomplish their objective of the total conquest of Finland."

I dare say I know quite a lot more about the nitty-gritty of the Finnish history than you do, my friend. While Wikipedia certainly serves as a good starting point for someone with limited to non-existent previous knowledge of the subject, to learn the nitty-gritty in order to understand the big picture one needs to dig deeper than a Wikipedia article.

Indeed, had you followed the source of the quote you cite here, "The Soviet forces did not accomplish their objective of the total conquest of Finland," you would have learned, in detail, that Stalin's objective was to secure Leningrad and the Soviet access to the Baltic, about the Soviet territorial demands, the unsuccessful diplomatic efforts and negotiations of the spring/summer 1939, and how, after these negotiations with the Finns failed to achieve Stalin's stated territorial claims, did Stalin order the military and navy to draw up "counter-offensive" plans in case Germany and/or Britain and France used Finland as a "springboard" for "anti-Soviet ambitions." This was the end of July/August 1939. The infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed in August 1939.

From this point on, when diplomacy and negotiations failed to achive the Soviet objectives, attention turned to war preparations. The devil is in the details, you see. So yes, while the objective of the war was the speedy subjugation of Finland, this was not Stalin's original or primary objective, which was to secure Leningrad. The invasion was a tool to that end, not an end in itself, as you seem to try to portray it. And the Soviets did indeed achieve their objective to secure Leningrad with this war with the territories Finland was forced to cede.

Those territories -- "a few acres," as you call them -- included the third largest city in Finland, Viipuri/Viborg, and thus one third of the Finnish industrial and economic capacity, the one and only Finnish Arctic port and access to the Barents Sea, Petsamo, and Upiniemi just 25 miles from the nation's capital, Helsinki (as well as "a few acres" like my mother's childhood home & summer villa -- 500,000 Finns were left homeless (of a total pop. of 3 million), you know, and became IDPs, internally displaced persons, a.k.a. refugees -- but hey, who's counting...).

Imagine the US's having to cede Alaska, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois (including Chicago), and Indiana, parts of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York and Ohio, the Florida Keys and the Gulf island off coast, plus the strategic military bases around Washington D.C. -- say, Quantico, Andrews AFB, and Ft. George G. Meade -- to a not-so-friendly & tame Canada (and boom, now you have 70 million internal refugees to resettle, your major cities & infrastructure is in ruins, you have major food shortage, plus you owe a few billion dollars to Canada for war reparations, which you are obliged to pay like tomorrow, or else...) and maybe, just maybe, you'll get the picture.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And yet hardly a victory, regardless of the exact figure. Funny how you're concerned with accuracy now, when just a few posts ago, 130 million was just as good as 200 million.

I'm still waiting for some justification of why all these things correspond to the vague predictions in Revelations, aside from "Interpreter made it up"

He also the same one that said 9/11 is when the Euphrates dried up.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7467399/#post54725165
Islam

Good post!
Muslims are the 7th head of the beast to conquer Jerusalem, and they trampled Jerusalem for 1260 years as prophesied.
Now they want to conquer Jerusalem again, and are hell-bent on starting the Battle of Ar Mageddon (which Muslims call the Mother of All Battles).
The Euphrates was dry on 9/11 when the first shot was fired.

 

[Kalevalatar]

Finland lost 11 % of its territory. The fact that she stopped the westward advance of the far superior Soviet army is a miracle, and the first "Woe."

Except, Stalin never envisioned a "westward advance" via Fennoscandia, the archives are wide open now -- it was Lenin, after all, who granted Finland her independence, most likely simply to avoid having to deal with the Finns -- who were not culturally Russian/Slavs at all -- not at all unlike the Tsars before him. Meanwhile, during the Cold War years, the United States of America maintained plans to nuke Finland in order to stop Soviet advance. Stalin had no plans to simply nuke the Finns and be done with them. "Woe" here and "Woe" there, I'd say.

 

[TG123]

The NIV gets a lot of things wrong. I usually quote from the NKJV.

What does the KJV say?

All Bible prophecy is meant to be figured out. Otherwise what is the purpose of it?

So when these things are happening we will know what is going on. What counts is that you are loyal to Jesus and believe in Him, endtimes or not.

A horseman is a man the last time I checked.

Do ordinary men come from seals broken open in heaven?

What verse?

The one you brought up when claiming it was about D-Day.

No, but I will when I have time. Can you post the link again?

Here is my blog: www.livingstones-tomasz.blogspot.com

These are some of the pages that have to do with peaceful protests I have witnessed and the army's reaction. Many more in the blog, read it and go through it for more examples if you have time.

Living Stones: video from August 14, 2010 demo

Living Stones: Playing tag with the IDF

Living Stones

I will soon be going to meet my maker, and I'm sure I will be rewarded for taking part in the Viet Nam war.

We will all meet Him one day. I don't believe you will be rewarded for killing Vietnamese people, I believe that He will forgive you if you ask Him for forgiveness and put your faith in Jesus.

You get everything so bass-ackwards.

Use spell checker.

The soviet Union was an atheist nation, and the Russians who fought for their atheist nation will have to answer to God.

The atheist rulers forced the Russians to serve them or they would be murdered. Americans who willingly fought in US invasions of other countries and co-operated in US backed mass murder in the developing world will have to answer too, and most of them will not be able to state that they were forced.

The US brings hell and death as prophesied.
The US brings hell and death, as did Hitler, Stalin, Osama bin Laden and Qaddafi. This doesn't mean any of them are backed by God.

Yes, we should not support dictatorships.

It has been one of the foundation pieces of your country's foreign policies, and continues to be. Glad you disagree with it.

Would a nation following Jesus support dictatorships?

 

[interpreter]

What does the KJV say?

the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So when these things are happening we will know what is going on. What counts is that you are loyal to Jesus and believe in Him, endtimes or not.

agreed.

Do ordinary men come from seals broken open in heaven?

The opening of the seals reveals events on earth.

The one you brought up when claiming it was about D-Day.

There are 9 verses about D-Day

Here is my blog: www.livingstones-tomasz.blogspot.com

These are some of the pages that have to do with peaceful protests I have witnessed and the army's reaction. Many more in the blog, read it and go through it for more examples if you have time.

Living Stones: video from August 14, 2010 demo

Living Stones: Playing tag with the IDF

Living Stones

I often attend the Livingstones Church. Any connection?

We will all meet Him one day. I don't believe you will be rewarded for killing Vietnamese people, I believe that He will forgive you if you ask Him for forgiveness and put your faith in Jesus.

I do not need forgiveness for killing the enemies of my Christian nation. I was obeying a command of Jesus.

The atheist rulers forced the Russians to serve them or they would be murdered.

If all the young men had refused to serve, as they should have, what was the head atheist gonna do? Kill them all?

Americans who willingly fought in US invasions of other countries and co-operated in US backed mass murder in the developing world will have to answer too, and most of them will not be able to state that they were forced.

They did what they did for their Christian nation.

The US brings hell and death, as did Hitler, Stalin, Osama bin Laden and Qaddafi. This doesn't mean any of them are backed by God.

The 5 horsemen are the good guys.

It has been one of the foundation pieces of your country's foreign policies, and continues to be. Glad you disagree with it.

Would a nation following Jesus support dictatorships?

The US is not perfect.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Revelation 22 (King James Version)

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

 

[TG123]

the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

OK, thanks.

The opening of the seals reveals events on earth.

They were opened in Heaven. The horsemen come out of them.

There are 9 verses about D-Day

None of them are about D-Day.

I often attend the Livingstones Church. Any connection?

No. I called it living stones because Jesus said that to the pharisees who were angry at His apostles praising Him that if they were silent, even the stones would cry out. I found that saying so awesome that I wanted to call my blog 'living stones'- and of course no, stones are not alive. Also, the inhabitants of Israel and Palestine are called by some to be the "living stones"- they live in a place with so much history and if you ever go to the Old City you will see the stone walls and buildings and its inhabitants live among all that history and are part of it, so I think the term "living stones" is appropriate too.

I do not need forgiveness for killing the enemies of my Christian nation. I was obeying a command of Jesus.

You do need to ask forgiveness. You were disobeying His command to love your enemies.

If all the young men had refused to serve, as they should have, what was the head atheist gonna do? Kill them all?

Do you have any idea how many people Stalin killed? Most Americans didn't have the guts to oppose Bush or to take a stand against abortion and risk a short jail term or fine and most white Americans didn't do squat for their black fellow citizens as they stood up for their civil rights... yet you are going to be condemning the Russian Christians who faced and suffered death... in the millions???

They did what they did for their Christian nation.

They murdered innocents to serve evil leaders following Satan.

The 5 horsemen are the good guys.

True. They are also not earthly nations.

The US is not perfect.

Then it is not the Kingdom of God.