Has MTV Gone Too Far?

[Bosco_Guy]

I just imaged searched this show on Google.....yikes....good thing we don't turn MTV on at my house!

 

[Joshua G.]

What I don't like about this is that it portrays teens as if this were the norm (from what I could read and find out about it, it seems that these are pretty dark lives). I am high school teacher and I can tell you that this is not the norm in high school. This subculture definitely exist. But most teens are not these lost stoners who don't know which way is up. I don't have flowery visions of them living perfect lives. I know a lot of students are sexually active and many have tried illegal substances. But this sensationalized view of how these kids live is not reality for most teens even if they are sexually active and smoke pot (and other drugs) from time to time. It does, however, make teens feel as if there is this norm out there that is SOOO low. It's not about peer pressure but desensitizing them to what is normal.

Josh

 

[JoabAnias]

I just imaged searched this show on Google.....yikes....good thing we don't turn MTV on at my house!

I have comcast and they offer this service called "on-demand". For anyone unaware its a way to watch already aired programming.

I noticed this "skins" program was listed so I clicked on the titles and descriptions.

The first of two episodes available to watch was about a best friend trying to help his teenage friend loose his virginity.

The description of the promotion of such sin is as far as I need to go to know this is not wholesome programing for anyone.

I would prefer to avoid sin and be hated for hating sin than subject my mind and soul to video that is not healthy, even though I know the difference and am confident I could discern the differences in it.

This doesn't come from prejudice either but from the virtues of prudence and right judgment in love of the Lord.

Its simple really, I know what the Lord says about such lifestyles and even more than that, I know from personal experience the consequences of it and they are hell on earth.

So there are both altruistic and humanistic aspects to avoiding subjection to debaucherous propaganda as well, what for some, could very well be confusions of human dignity and result in occasions of sin.

The only reason I could contemplate subjecting myself to that impurity would be to help lead souls to Jesus. Certainly not for myself.

If abstaining from the scandals of sin should scandalize someone else whose problem is that really?

 

[Joshua G.]

Joan... does this mean no beer?

 

[JoabAnias]

Joan... does this mean no beer?

Nope, it means no wanton "drunkenness". Its all in the Bible and CCC bro.

Gods word is for our good and holiness is a lifestyle.

Which is not to say we are oppressed by the law either, because we are not.

We are free of the law but that is not so that we may indulge in sin so that grace may abound, it is so that we can be instruments of the Lord to save sinners.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Maybe it's just because I'm a sailor and cursing to me is in one ear and out the other but I honestly don't think South Park is that bad. Sure, some of the episodes are a little vulgar but a lot of the episodes, particularly the newer ones aren't that bad. I'm a fan and have been since it first aired.

One of the intentional ironies of SouthPark is that the creators go out of their way to confront controversial situations and story lines, knowing that the idiocracy of the American viewing public won't focus on dealing with issues like end of life care, or children with access to firearms, or incarceration of juveniles, but rather, the swearing. Indeed, people who bar up at South Park for its swearing rather than the many, many other topics one COULD find disturbing, are falling smack into the very intentional trap set by the creators. In effect, fulfilling their prediction and completing their social satire.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

I have comcast and they offer this service called "on-demand". For anyone unaware its a way to watch already aired programming.

I noticed this "skins" program was listed so I clicked on the titles and descriptions.

The first of two episodes available to watch was about a best friend trying to help his teenage friend loose his virginity.

The description of the promotion of such sin is as far as I need to go to know this is not wholesome programing for anyone.

I would prefer to avoid sin and be hated for hating sin than subject my mind and soul to video that is not healthy, even though I know the difference and am confident I could discern the differences in it.

This doesn't come from prejudice either but from the virtues of prudence and right judgment in love of the Lord.

Its simple really, I know what the Lord says about such lifestyles and even more than that, I know from personal experience the consequences of it and they are hell on earth.

So there are both altruistic and humanistic aspects to avoiding subjection to debaucherous propaganda as well, what for some, could very well be confusions of human dignity and result in occasions of sin.

The only reason I could contemplate subjecting myself to that impurity would be to help lead souls to Jesus. Certainly not for myself.

If abstaining from the scandals of sin should scandalize someone else whose problem is that really?

So... do I understand you correctly... you are condemning a show you have never actually watched?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

What I don't like about this is that it portrays teens as if this were the norm (from what I could read and find out about it, it seems that these are pretty dark lives). I am high school teacher and I can tell you that this is not the norm in high school. This subculture definitely exist. But most teens are not these lost stoners who don't know which way is up. I don't have flowery visions of them living perfect lives. I know a lot of students are sexually active and many have tried illegal substances. But this sensationalized view of how these kids live is not reality for most teens even if they are sexually active and smoke pot (and other drugs) from time to time. It does, however, make teens feel as if there is this norm out there that is SOOO low. It's not about peer pressure but desensitizing them to what is normal.

Josh

And... you havn't actually watched the show either?

 

[JoabAnias]

So... do I understand you correctly... you are condemning a show you have never actually watched?

Yea, I judge the foul intentions of a whole network as sick and deprived and have no doubt I am correct. I've seen enough. Its easy to discern an intention by a description alone if one is of a mind to discern what isn't pleasing to God. Two teens out seeking to help each other defile their dignity or commit mortal sin is of no interest to me whatsoever. Its just sad. I don't have to watch their inappropriate contentography to know its sick and deprived.

I have made that mistake before and outgrew that myth. I am way beyond such immature influence. It was stupid and harmful then and would be stupid now. Now I pray for gifts from the Holy Spirit such as discernment, purity, prudence and protection from the spirit of fornication instead.

I don't need to subject myself to evil spirits or near occasions of sensual temptation to prove I have gifts from God. To put God to the test is blasphemous. To the contrary, its because of those gifts that I no longer "feel" a need to play with such dangers. As we grow up we learn to trust what God tells us.

But if you want to play with razor blades to the soul, mind and body thats your free will choice. Don't cry to me when you get hurt. I think you should pray instead of subjecting yourself to garbage because garbage in - defiles from within, and I'd rather you live a holy and well healed life and so would the Lord.

 

[Michie]

Yea, I judge the foul intentions of a whole network as sick and deprived.

I don't have to watch their inappropriate contentography to know its sick and deprived.

I have made that mistake before and outgrew that myth. I am way beyond such immature influence. It was stupid and harmful then and would be stupid now. Now I pray for gifts from the Holy Spirit such as discernment, purity, prudence and protection from the spirit of fornication instead.

I don't need to subject myself to evil spirits or near occasions of sensual temptations to prove I have gifts from God. To put God to the test is blasphemous. To the contrary, its because of those gifts that I no longer "feel" a need to play with such dangers. As we grow up we learn to trust what God tells us.

But if you want to play with razor blades to the soul, mind and body thats your free will choice. Don't cry to me when you get hurt. I think you should pray instead of subjecting yourself to garbage because garbage in - defiles from within, and I'd rather you live a holy and well healed life and so would the Lord.

But Joab... it helps you relate... You know undestand, empathize the life style choices. This BTW- is not a reality show (if there is such a thing) but a scripted soap. What's wrong with you??

 

[JoabAnias]

But Joab... it helps you relate... You know undestand, empathize the life style choices. This BTW- is not a reality show (if there is such a thing) but a scripted soap. What's wrong with you??

Have you ever read Augustine's confessions? I lived much worse. Have you ever heard Fr. Corapi's conversion story? Well, to this day I am still to embarrassed to witness mine story and will be paying the price probably until I die. Lets just say I am no stranger to destruction and debauchery.

Believe me when I say, MTV has noting on the real life experiences which animated my Christian walk from back in the day before the Holy Spirit turned me around 180 degrees. This, "how can you judge because you don't know" is so bogus that I can't even begin to describe it. My description of what I feel about that fallacy would be so strong, that if I were to put it in proportionate terms here it would undoubtedly be censored. I can judge because the Holy Spirit gives us wisdom.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Yea, I judge the foul intentions of a whole network as sick and deprived and have no doubt I am correct. I've seen enough. Its easy to discern an intention by a description alone if one is of a mind to discern what isn't pleasing to God. Two teens out seeking to help each other defile their dignity or commit mortal sin is of no interest to me whatsoever. Its just sad. I don't have to watch their inappropriate contentography to know its sick and deprived.

I have made that mistake before and outgrew that myth. I am way beyond such immature influence. It was stupid and harmful then and would be stupid now. Now I pray for gifts from the Holy Spirit such as discernment, purity, prudence and protection from the spirit of fornication instead.

I don't need to subject myself to evil spirits or near occasions of sensual temptation to prove I have gifts from God. To put God to the test is blasphemous. To the contrary, its because of those gifts that I no longer "feel" a need to play with such dangers. As we grow up we learn to trust what God tells us.

But if you want to play with razor blades to the soul, mind and body thats your free will choice. Don't cry to me when you get hurt. I think you should pray instead of subjecting yourself to garbage because garbage in - defiles from within, and I'd rather you live a holy and well healed life and so would the Lord.

So... you assume the show is glamourising teens helping one another loose their virginity?

 

[Michie]

Have you ever read Augustine's confessions? I lived much worse. Have you ever heard Fr. Corapi's conversion story? Well, to this day I am still to embarrassed to witness mine story and will be paying the price probably until I die. Lets just say I am no stranger to destruction and debauchery.

Believe me when I say, MTV has noting on the real life experiences which animated my Christian walk from back in the day before the Holy Spirit turned me around 180 degrees. This, "how can you judge because you don't know" is so bogus that I can't even begin to describe it. My description of what I feel about that fallacy would be so strong, that if I were to put it in proportionate terms here it would undoubtedly be censored. I can judge because the Holy Spirit gives us wisdom.

You do realize I was being sarcastic... right? People don't need a TV show to get it.

 

[JoabAnias]

You do realize I was being sarcastic... right? People don't need a TV show to get it.

Yes I got your quip, but I do so want to rant beyond the norms of civilized society!

The problem is this atmosphere does not support my .

My is to inappropriate contentographic for the pristine ears around here.

 

[JoabAnias]

So... you assume the show is glamourising teens helping one another loose their virginity?

Did you mean glamorizing?

Of course it is. Its MTV. The premice of the episode I investigated is for one chap to help another loose his virginity.

I suppose your going to have me believe that it turns moral at some point and turns into a life lesson in chastity?

Aiiight!

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Did you mean glamorizing?

Of course it is. Its MTV. The premice of the episode I investigated is for one chap to help another loose his virginity.

I suppose your going to have me believe that it turns moral at some point and turns into a life lesson in chastity?

Aiiight!

Do you mean "premise"? I don't go in for picking on people for spelling and typo errors... unless they make one in the same post as criticising someone else for the same thing.

Hey, no, would never dream of that. Obviously, its easier to make declarations about a show you've never watched based on nothing more than the network that runs it.

FYI "glamourising"; glamourise, glamourising, glamourised, glamourises- WordWeb dictionary definition

 

[JoabAnias]

The premise of this show is exactly as it was described is it not?

MTV clearly states its about one teenage fellow helping another to loose his virginity.

Are you going to have us believe that turns moral at some point?

Hey, no, would never dream of that.

So aren't you suggesting we subject ourselves to that immoral trash when you say;

"Obviously, its easier to make declarations about a show you've never watched based on nothing more than the network that runs it"

When that isn't true either because this judgment is not based only on the fact that all of MTV's programming intentions are sick and deprived, which would be more than enough, but also....

as has already been explained twice before, that the description of the program was about a best friend trying to help his teenage friend loose his virginity. That is no friend by the way.

So obviously, the moral judgment is based on more than just the lack of all credibility of MTV, but also on their own description of the show. Its easy to judge right from wrong. Fornication is obviously wrong.

Much more than the disgusting description from the ill-repute MTV themselves....

What do you suppose this means:

1 Cor 6:9-10
Do not be deceived: neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the Kingdom of God.
​

etc etc etc....

You are Christian right?

Surely your not defending MTV's programming to glamorize immoral fornication and sexual deviance on a Christian forum are you?

 

[Blackwater Babe]

The premise of this show is exactly as it was described is it not?

MTV clearly states its about one teenage fellow helping another to loose his virginity.

Are you going to have us believe that turns moral at some point?


So aren't you suggesting we subject ourselves to that immoral trash when you say;
When that isn't true either because this judgment is not based only on the fact that all of MTV's programming intentions are sick and deprived, which would be more than enough, but also....

as has already been explained twice before, that the description of the program was about a best friend trying to help his teenage friend loose his virginity. That is no friend by the way.

So obviously, the moral judgment is based on more than just the lack of all credibility of MTV, but also on their own description of the show. Its easy to judge right from wrong. Fornication is obviously wrong.

Much more than the disgusting description from the ill-repute MTV themselves....

What do you suppose this means:

1 Cor 6:9-10
Do not be deceived: neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the Kingdom of God.
​

etc etc etc....

You are Christian right?

Surely your not defending MTV's programming to glamorize immoral fornication and sexual deviance on a Christian forum are you?

Had you bothered to watch the show, you would realise it doesn't glamorise anything. But no, much easier to judge without watching. Everyone on TV should be like Ned Flanders. Then the world would be perfect.

 

[AveMaria_45]

I don't like MTV any more

 

[Michie]

Joab... when a person is only interested in debate threads concerning politics, MTV & loopholes concerning Catholic teaching & skips all else... well, you know.