Something I didn't know about black holes that blew my mind!

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LOL once again nice job ignoring them.
Well they're ultimately meaningless because they provide no evidence. They therefore should be ignored. I mean look at it, you're throwing quotes from philosophers around trying to counter an issue of physics. Wake up man.

If you had something that... you know... actually presented an argument of some sort backed by some sort of observable phenomenon then that would be different.
 
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Tides magically cause antigravity...:thumbsup:
Frictional energy dissipation by tides transfers angular momentum from the earth to the moon. This has been known for more than 100 yars. Tim explains the effect quite clearly in the page I reference. Neither magic nor your crank pseudo science is required.
 
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Well they're ultimately meaningless because they provide no evidence. They therefore should be ignored. I mean look at it, you're throwing quotes from philosophers around trying to counter an issue of physics. Wake up man.

If you had something that... you know... actually presented an argument of some sort backed by some sort of observable phenomenon then that would be different.
I'm ignoring this because there is no scientific evidence presented here...:thumbsup:
 
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Well they're ultimately meaningless because they provide no evidence. They therefore should be ignored. I mean look at it, you're throwing quotes from philosophers around trying to counter an issue of physics. Wake up man.

If you had something that... you know... actually presented an argument of some sort backed by some sort of observable phenomenon then that would be different.


Something like humans flying around in the presence of a magnetic or electrical field, for instance. I noticed AoS has conveniently ignored that one.
 
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Frictional energy dissipation by tides transfers angular momentum from the earth to the moon. This has been known for more than 100 yars. Tim explains the effect quite clearly in the page I reference. Neither magic nor your crank pseudo science is required.
If I was a crackpot, a pseudoscientist, or a crank I would agree with you 100%.
 
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I'm ignoring this because there is no scientific evidence presented here...:thumbsup:
Holy heists QuoteMan!

Seriously though no problem. Ignore away. I can understand why you are uncomfortable when it comes to posts that demonstrate how useless your quotes really are. ;)

So if you'd just go back to the post about torque being exerted on the Moon and understand that part... you know... the part that does in fact contain some evidence... then that would be great.

You can even go Google more detail to find out exactly how it works. Like I said it is pretty well understood at this point.
 
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If I was a crackpot, a pseudoscientist, or a crank I would agree with you 100%.
No you disagree with basic physics and put forth "models" that violate the first and second laws of thermodynamics and the conservation of angular momentum ( and probably some other physical laws) because you are all of the above. (Well maybe not pseudoscientist, I don't think your nonsense even makes it to the level of pseudoscience. Total fantasy would be a better description.)
 
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Electromagnetism causes gravity and antigravity.

Somehow I knew you'd bring up that floating frog, and somehow I knew you'd ignore the fact that the magnetic field the frog is being subjected to is several hundred times stronger than that of the earth.
 
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No you disagree with basic physics and put forth "models" that violate the first and second laws of thermodynamics and the conservation of angular momentum because you are all of the above. (Well maybe not pseudoscientist, I don't think your nonsense even makes it to the level of pseudoscience. Total fantasy would be a better description.

It is very entertaining though. I have read some wacky stuff during my brief time on this forum but this AoS guy takes the cake. He is by far the most insane individual I have ever seen. He doesn't even resort to the old "goddidit" thing I've seen some do he just flat out denies everything and rambles on about Saturn and magic all the while accompanying everything with utterly pointless quotes some of which are from fictional characters. Sad but at the same time funny.
 
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It is very entertaining though. I have read some wacky stuff during my brief time on this forum but this AoS guy takes the cake. He is by far the most insane individual I have ever seen. He doesn't even resort to the old "goddidit" thing I've seen some do he just flat out denies everything and rambles on about Saturn and magic all the while accompanying everything with utterly pointless quotes some of which are from fictional characters. Sad but at the same time funny.

I guarantee he thinks he's winning this argument!
 
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Somehow I knew you'd bring up that floating frog, and somehow I knew you'd ignore the fact that the magnetic field the frog is being subjected to is several hundred times stronger than that of the earth.
Somehow I knew you'd ignore the fact that any child with a tiny magnet can counteract the entire alleged gravitational force of the earth...:thumbsup:
 
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Somehow I knew you'd ignore the fact that any child with a tiny magnet can counteract the entire alleged gravitational force of the earth...:thumbsup:
I am not ignoring anything. Gravity is a weak force. The universal gravitational constant, G, is only
6.67300 × 10-11 m^3 kg-1 s^-2
even g the gravitation acceleration of the earth is only about 9.8 m/s^2.

But let the child try to pick of a piece of paper with the magnet or get more than a few feet away and see what happens. This is what you are ignoring.
 
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It is very entertaining though. I have read some wacky stuff during my brief time on this forum but this AoS guy takes the cake. He is by far the most insane individual I have ever seen. He doesn't even resort to the old "goddidit" thing I've seen some do he just flat out denies everything and rambles on about Saturn and magic all the while accompanying everything with utterly pointless quotes some of which are from fictional characters. Sad but at the same time funny.
He is pretty far out. I don't know if me matches "dancing greenland" for pure wackyness but he is at least close.

(I assume there are still a few old timers here who remember dancing greenland)

Added in Edit Here it is a real classic
http://www.christianforums.com/t103172-5/#post1981960

Dancing Greenland

Actually it is a lot like the stuff AoS comes up with.
 
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Somehow I knew you'd ignore the fact that any child with a tiny magnet can counteract the entire alleged gravitational force of the earth...:thumbsup:

And I can overpower the tiny child, which must mean the child doesn't exist. That's some mighty fine logic you have yourself there, pal. :thumbsup:
 
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And I can overpower the tiny child, which must mean the child doesn't exist. That's some mighty fine logic you have yourself there, pal. :thumbsup:
Of course the child can overcome gravity temporarily anytime he jumps in the air. I wonder if AoS has ever taken even the most basic of physics courses.
 
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I can tell you what we don't see and that's void.
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Gravitation is a myth and gravitational lensing is an even bigger myth.

Please show me the gravitational lensing in this photograph.

Since it is alleged photons have no mass by f=ma it is impossible for gravitation to act on light.


Gravitation is from the 17th century and General Relativity from around 1923 (1915 to be precise). I agree they are outdated.


Jupiter is a star ship i.e. planet.
Poe.

Or schizophrenic, I can't decide.
 
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I am not ignoring anything.
I wasn't talking to you.

But you are ignoring everything.

Gravity is a weak force.
Duh. It's so weak that electromagnetism is the dominant force in the universe.

The universal gravitational constant, G, is only
6.67300 × 10-11 m^3 kg-1 s^-2
LOL.

No.

The universal gravitational constant myth G has no precise value because it is entirely imaginary.

Vila, S.C., Changing Gravitational Constant and White Dwarfs, Astrophysical Journal, Volume 206, Pages 213-214, May 1976

Gillies, G.T., et al., The Newtonian Gravitational Constant: Recent Measurements and Related Studies, Reports on Progress in Physics, Volume 60, Pages 151-225, Feb 1997

Gundlach, J.H., and Merkowitz, S.M., Measurement of Newton's Constant Using a Torsion Balance with Angular Acceleration Feedback, General Relativity and Quantum Physics, Aug 2000

Fixler, J.B., et al., Atom Interferometer Measurement of the Newtonian Constant of Gravity, Science, Volume 315, Number 5808, Pages 74-77, Jan 2007

even g the gravitation acceleration of the earth is only about 9.8 m/s^2.
Unfortunately for you, the moon falls away from the Earth at the rate of 3.8 centimeters per year.
 
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This is clearly nonsense. You cannot believe what your instruments are telling you. It must be a malfunction.
But it isn't. It's the absolute, literal truth. Inside the event horizon of a black hole, there is no way out. There are no directions of space that point away from the singularity. Due to the Lovecraftian curvature of spacetime within the event horizon, all the trajectories that would carry you away from the black hole now point into the past.

In fact, this is the definition of the event horizon. It's the boundary separating points in space where there are trajectories that point away from the black hole from points in space where there are none.
Your magical infinitely-accelerating engine is of no use to you … because you cannot find a direction in which to point it. The singularity is all around you, in every direction you look.

This part of the article is nonsense.

If I have a spacecraft capable of super light speeds I also have a space craft that can cross an event horizon because it can already summon more than infinite energy.

If I can go any speed I like I can cross event horizons, the curvature of space time is meaningless.
 
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This part of the article is nonsense.
I can't think of one aspect of universal gravitation and black holes that isn't nonsense.

the curvature of space time is meaningless.
I agree.

Spacetime is not a physical material object. It is an irrational 20th century mathematical concept.

If it is curved then they must be able to tell us what color it is.
 
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