2012 New Jerusalem Gregorian Calendar Reformation discussion

[Targ]

I started a new poll about this idea here - everyone go vote there.

 

[Russ Ewert]

No- it isn't and never has been. It's something modern and made up by you, i.e. a doctrine of man. There is already a see of Jerusalem with churches, priests, etc. What is your authority?

Can you show us a list of bishops and patriarchs who have served like this (prove the apostolic procession)?

Jerusalem Patriarchate

This is from the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God works through people. The Holy Day dates are in the Bible. Like Passover beginning on 1/14.

The New Jerusalem is what the bishops and patriarchs and churches pray to happen.

Do you agree the Feast of Trumpets is on 7/1 and the Day of Atonement is on 7/10? The New Jerusalem calendar system flows well with the Bible and is something that all the Christian Churches can unite into.

 

[Russ Ewert]

Hi Russ,

So what exactly is your strategy? How do you plan to get this through Parliament / the Senate / House of Representatives etc of your own country and presumably every other country too? How do you plan to lobby politicians? etc

As you requested, I spoke to my wife about this and showed her your plans. Her comments were "why change the calendar? If it aint broke, don't fix it." I don't see what exactly is wrong with the current calendar and neither does my wife.



She responded by saying words to the effect of "A new calendar is not going to bring global unity, especially when a very large proportion of the world's population are not even Christian or Jewish. You don't get world peace because of a calendar."

I hardly see how the world's 1 billion Muslims are going to take kindly to a new calendar where there are celebrations of Christ's birth and death / resurrection etc.

I want you to explain how you think this calendar will achieve this goal. I mean, if I said "my chocolate mousse recipe is going to bring world peace", would you believe me? Probably not, since it is not significant. Yet is a calendar any better than a chocolate mousse recipe? Like, yeah, I use calendars, but they're hardly important to me. I don't particularly get excited about what the date is and I don't see how, for example, Palestinian soldiers would look at this calendar and say "wow, this will bring world peace, let's put down our weapons guys."

I plan on having the calendar and New Jerusalem option available for when the Gregorian system tires of doing it their way. They need to get tired of the wars and poverty and slums and things like that.

Imagine the whole Earth being wiped clean of all calendars then just being left with the New Jerusalem calendar holiday public education system for societal management in the New Jerusalem Kingdom of God on Earth that the King James Bible talks about.

Then imagine no money being wasted on wars and all nations working together to make Earth a paradise

 

[seashale76]

This is from the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God works through people. The Holy Day dates are in the Bible. Like Passover beginning on 1/14.

The New Jerusalem is what the bishops and patriarchs and churches pray to happen.

Do you agree the Feast of Trumpets is on 7/1 and the Day of Atonement is on 7/10? The New Jerusalem calendar system flows well with the Bible and is something that all the Christian Churches can unite into.

Russ Ewert- your teachings are not those of the Church! Don't try to pretend otherwise. People who claim their pet thing/doctrine/idea is directly from the Spirit of God come a dime a dozen. We only have you telling us your idea is from God. You have no authority and neither did you establish that you have any such thing. The Church already has a calendar and we use it.

New Jerusalem is the city of God that will come down from Heaven as described in the Apocalypse of John. We also believe that the Church is an icon of New Jerusalem. We participate in the Kingdom of Heaven every time we celebrate Divine Liturgy.

 

[Russ Ewert]

Russ Ewert- your teachings are not those of the Church! Don't try to pretend otherwise. People who claim their pet thing/doctrine/idea is directly from the Spirit of God come a dime a dozen. We only have you telling us your idea is from God. You have no authority and neither did you establish that you have any such thing. The Church already has a calendar and we use it.

New Jerusalem is the city of God that will come down from Heaven as described in the Apocalypse of John. We also believe that the Church is an icon of New Jerusalem. We participate in the Kingdom of Heaven every time we celebrate Divine Liturgy.

My authority is from the Spirit of God.

This is for the churches to unite into the New Jerusalem kingdom of God/Jesus on Earth.

Think of the King James Bible and New Jerusalem calendar information as the spiritual city of God descending from heaven into humanity's consciousness.

 

[JasperJackson]

My authority is from the Spirit of God.

This is for the churches to unite into the New Jerusalem kingdom of God/Jesus on Earth.

Think of the King James Bible and New Jerusalem calendar information as the spiritual city of God descending from heaven into humanity's consciousness.

Semi-joking, semi-serious question: are you the anti-christ?!

When I first saw this I thought "this guy is a crack pot". So much that I didn't know where to start in how to respond.

So, I'll try responding with scripture. Revelation 21:2 says "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband." Now, I think the New Jerusalem, when it eventually comes, is going to be a lot me impressive than a Calendar someone has put on the internet. You do realise that we cannot do anything to make Jesus return, don't you? We can't make God bring the New Jerusalem.

 

[Russ Ewert]

Semi-joking, semi-serious question: are you the anti-christ?!

When I first saw this I thought "this guy is a crack pot". So much that I didn't know where to start in how to respond.

So, I'll try responding with scripture. Revelation 21:2 says "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband." Now, I think the New Jerusalem, when it eventually comes, is going to be a lot me impressive than a Calendar someone has put on the internet. You do realise that we cannot do anything to make Jesus return, don't you? We can't make God bring the New Jerusalem.

Not the antichrist.
When the people unite into the calendar and public holiday system and use it that is when you see the New Jerusalem Kingdom of God on Earth. The scripture you posted is talking about this New Jerusalem. This is the Church with God/Jesus for the sons of God. Jesus is already with us.

 

[JasperJackson]

Not the antichrist.
When the people unite into the calendar and public holiday system and use it that is when you see the New Jerusalem Kingdom of God on Earth. The scripture you posted is talking about this New Jerusalem. This is the Church with God/Jesus for the sons of God. Jesus is already with us.

You mean Jesus has made his second coming already? When did this happen?

 

[Celticflower]

My authority is from the Spirit of God.

What proof do you offer of this? (More than just you saying so, please.)

This is for the churches to unite into the New Jerusalem kingdom of God/Jesus on Earth.

If you want the churches to unite why aren't you pushing for the use of the existing liturgical calendar which most non-denoms don't acknowledge?

Think of the King James Bible and New Jerusalem calendar information as the spiritual city of God descending from heaven into humanity's consciousness.

The KJV has been proven time and again to be less than perfect and is not the only accepted version of the Bible worldwide. So you want to team up one of the oldest translations of the Bible with some new fangled calendar that you came up with and declare world peace. Good luck with that.

You solution is much too simplistic to deal with the complexities of international/interreligional relations. You are not going to gather the peoples of the world together under a calendar and have them all sing Kum Ba Yah just because you think it is a good idea. All non-Judeo-Christians will reject your calendar as not being worth the paper it is printed on. Many Christian groups will reject it because it will be seen as from man not from God (not everyone will interpret scripture as you do). Most Jews will reject it because it is no longer based on the seasons and their natural timing, but on a timing set up by one man.

This whole thing is beginning to sound like one big ego trip to me. And ego trips usually end baddly.

 

[Russ Ewert]

You mean Jesus has made his second coming already? When did this happen?

Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is with us. Pentecost is May 10 (3/10) on the calendar. 50 days after Easter on March 22 (1/22)

 

[Russ Ewert]

What proof do you offer of this? (More than just you saying so, please.)




If you want the churches to unite why aren't you pushing for the use of the existing liturgical calendar which most non-denoms don't acknowledge?



The KJV has been proven time and again to be less than perfect and is not the only accepted version of the Bible worldwide. So you want to team up one of the oldest translations of the Bible with some new fangled calendar that you came up with and declare world peace. Good luck with that.

You solution is much too simplistic to deal with the complexities of international/interreligional relations. You are not going to gather the peoples of the world together under a calendar and have them all sing Kum Ba Yah just because you think it is a good idea. All non-Judeo-Christians will reject your calendar as not being worth the paper it is printed on. Many Christian groups will reject it because it will be seen as from man not from God (not everyone will interpret scripture as you do). Most Jews will reject it because it is no longer based on the seasons and their natural timing, but on a timing set up by one man.

This whole thing is beginning to sound like one big ego trip to me. And ego trips usually end baddly.

They have to accept it eventually because it is the truth. It really is simple, but you try to make it more complicated than it is. Love fulfills the law and you get a King James Bible Holy Book and a simple calendar and holiday system and public education system to manage society.

Seems the rejectors you describe are just modern day pharisees.

 

[JasperJackson]

Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is with us. Pentecost is May 10 (3/10) on the calendar. 50 days after Easter on March 22 (1/22)

But Jesus will (future tense) return one day. Paul told the Thessalonians as much, and he told them after Pentecost.

2 Thess 2:1-2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.

 

[Russ Ewert]

But Jesus will (future tense) return one day. Paul told the Thessalonians as much, and he told them after Pentecost.
2 Thess 2:1-2 1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


I suppose you are talking about the day of Christ (Day of the Lord). The revealing of light. I see it as the Spirit returned at Pentecost and was accepted and they formed the Church but then there was a falling away and we are at today where we see the results of the falling away which is all the wars and famines and plagues. So now we all just unite into the New Jerusalem to fix it.

 

[Wirraway]

This New Jerusalem Church is the leading Church from the Spirit of God. The churches need to conform to the New Jerusalem standard so that they set a good example of unity to others.

need to conform? or else?

what about labor day? we need a labor day for the opening of dove season.

 

[JasperJackson]

Russ,

Is this the church you are a part of THE NEW JERUSALEM CHURCH ?

 

[Russ Ewert]

need to conform? or else?

what about labor day? we need a labor day for the opening of dove season.

We have the Feast of Trumpets weekend at that time of year now.

 

[Celticflower]

They have to accept it eventually because it is the truth. It really is simple, but you try to make it more complicated than it is. Love fulfills the law and you get a King James Bible Holy Book and a simple calendar and holiday system and public education system to manage society.

Seems the rejectors you describe are just modern day pharisees.

Nice non-answer.

Prove to me that your "revelation" is truth and maybe I will accept it. Your say so isn't proof any more than someone claiming to have been Napoleon in a former life is proof of who they are/were.
Remember, we are to test all things -and so far you aren't passing.

 

[Russ Ewert]

Russ,

Is this the church you are a part of THE NEW JERUSALEM CHURCH ?

Yes

 

[Russ Ewert]

Nice non-answer.

Prove to me that your "revelation" is truth and maybe I will accept it.
Remember, we are to test all things -and so far you aren't passing.

Well using the Bible as our guide for truth let's find the true date of Easter.

I have the story of Jesus coming to Jerusalem and the crucifixion during the days of unleavened bread in March the first month of the year. You can look at the calendar and see the structure. Jesus comes to Jerusalem on the tenth of the first month as the Passover Lamb which matches the Old Testament of getting a Passover lamb on the tenth of the first month. Then he has the Passover Last Supper with the apostles on the evening of Saturday the 14th then he is delivered up and taken away on the morning of Sunday the 15th the first day of Unleavened Bread where he sees Annas then Caiaphas that week then eventually Pilate who has him sent to be crucified on Friday the 20th and he is in the tomb on Saturday the 21rst and rose again on Easter Sunday the 22nd. Then they see him 40 days until Ascension Day on Apr 31 where he goes to the Father and then the Holy Spirit births the Church at Pentecost 50 days after Easter on May 10


How do you calculate the date of Easter using the Bible?

 

[Wirraway]

Russ vs the First Council of Nicaea. sure, why not? its the internets, everyone's got an opinion.