Herd immunity, my friend
If vaccines are so effective then why are you so worried about people who dont get them?
I'm not getting the flu shot and i'm not worried about the flu because i take great care of my health.
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Herd immunity, my friend
Herd immunity requires that a large portion of the population (70-90%) has the immunity. This acts as a firebreak against infection because one infected individual will only be able to go into contact with a limited number of individuals without the immunity (and thus will continue the infection). Some regions however have very large populations who do not vaccinate so when an infection gets to these zones, it spreads rapidly. This can be seen in my state (California) where we are encountering the largest outbreak of whooping cough in half a century because of the anti-vaccination groups here.If vaccines are so effective then why are you so worried about people who dont get them?
Cool, wash your hands, stay home sick when necessary, and please inform those around you that you are a transmission vector for disease so they don't shake your hands or sit near you.I'm not getting the flu shot and i'm not worried about the flu because i take great care of my health.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the swine flu vaccine kill more than the swine flu?
Herd immunity requires that a large portion of the population (70-90%) has the immunity. This acts as a firebreak against infection because one infected individual will only be able to go into contact with a limited number of individuals without the immunity (and thus will continue the infection). Some regions however have very large populations who do not vaccinate so when an infection gets to these zones, it spreads rapidly. This can be seen in my state (California) where we are encountering the largest outbreak of whooping cough in half a century because of the anti-vaccination groups here.
Cool, wash your hands, stay home sick when necessary, and please inform those around you that you are a transmission vector for disease so they don't shake your hands or sit near you.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the swine flu vaccine kill more than the swine flu?
Seems that I read that many health care workers refused the latest flu vaccines.You're correct.
1979 and 2009 are good example (1918 was about 100 years ago and was a different virus plus conditions were very different then especially since a World War had just taken place).
In your opinion. The medical community is extremely at odds on this one even.Gardasil protects against HPV 6, 11, 16, and 18, the four strains that cause the most severe disease. They account for 70% of HPV-caused cervical cancers, and 90% of HPV-caused genital warts.
Obviously limiting sexual partners keeps you safer from STIs. But some people don't have that choice (the ones married to a spouse who cheats). And if you're implying that we shouldn't vaccinate girls for HPV as an incentive to stay abstinent, I just don't know what to say to you.
Don't presume upon me. I never made any such assertions and it's rude for you to assume what I think and try to put words in my mouth that not only did I never say, but that I disagree with.
Well that's great for you, isn't it.
Yes, it is. And therefore, I'm against this as a "mandatory" vaccination. If you feel the risk of HPV is greater for you than the risk of reaction, then you are more than welcome to do whatever you want to YOUR body. But I'm not getting it and my daughters are not getting it (for them it's partly due to their risk of reaction being greater than their risk of cervical cancer).
Early screening has done wonders for cervical cancer. But 13,000 people get cervical cancer every year. Like I said, pap smears can have a 10-20% false negative rate, so having a vaccine to help us fight against HPV strains that cause cervical cancer is very advantageous.
This is because many are mis-reported or have even had doctors acknowledge that it was due to vaccines, but the main cause of death is listed as something else. For example, if my daughter had died, they would have listed her as SIDS, not death due to vaccine related chronic apnea even though that was her diagnosis.The 1918 flu pandemic was closely related to the current swine flu. Roughly a hundred million died. Very few deaths have ever been attributed to vaccines and the most probable cause is the side effects which are far more mild than the actual disease that they are used to prevent.
Seems that I read that many health care workers refused the latest flu vaccines.
In your opinion. The medical community is extremely at odds on this one even.
This is because many are mis-reported or have even had doctors acknowledge that it was due to vaccines, but the main cause of death is listed as something else. For example, if my daughter had died, they would have listed her as SIDS, not death due to vaccine related chronic apnea even though that was her diagnosis.
Of the HPV vaccine. Exactly. How unfortunate that the same can't be said of other vaccines.Every person who died that had the HPV shot was reported to VAERS. Even if the death was unrelated or attributed to something else. Researchers then examined the deaths to see if they were related to the vaccine. 93% of the deaths of people who got the vaccine were completely unrelated to the vaccine, and the other 7% are unknown.
Of the HPV vaccine. Exactly. How unfortunate that the same can't be said of other vaccines.
You can't compare a country in Africa with the US. There are many other factors and variables at play, mainly nutrition and sanitation.Measles kills 70 children in Zim: News24: Africa: Zimbabwe
This is what happens when people believe idiots who tell them not to get vaccines.
Thank you for adding this portion. This small tidbit is why I believe individuals and parents should be informed of the risks and why I believe that it should be a decision based on the individual's medical and family history.It's because it's a new vaccine without a track record other than clinical trials.
The flu vaccine is tried and true, and about as safe as vaccines get (for most people). Year to year, all they change is the antigens they use.
The last major outbreak in the United States occurred 5 years ago. 34 got sick, from one individual who had who had been on travel. Of those who had gotten sick, 32 had been eligible to be vaccinated, 2 where too young to be vaccinated. Of the 32 whom had be eligible, only 2 had ever had the shot and 2 where unknown. The remaining 28 people, they had either opted out, or more likely, their parents had opted out for them.You can't compare a country in Africa with the US. There are many other factors and variables at play, mainly nutrition and sanitation.
Herd immunity requires something like 90% of the population for whooping cough. In California, vaccination rates are about 50% and that is why we have had over 4,000 cases in this year alone.Many of the whooping cough outbreaks in the US have been in vaccinated populations. Even when I was a kid, it went through a very well vaccinated community I was living in (I had been vaccinated with all the boosters, military is pretty hefty on them, and still caught it).
The case I referenced came from Indiana, perhaps this is the same one since the standard medical treatment for measles since the vaccine was developed has been vaccination of children before they catch it. It was shown quite effective in creating an immunity in 95% of the population in the first shot, and something in excess of 99% with the booster. Effectively the disease went from a few hundred thousand cases per year to a few dozen over night in the United States.There is a case of measles that took place in a secluded community in IL years ago, but there was also the issue of the same community refusing standard medical treatment for this common childhood disease.
Unfortunately, when people see this, and when anti-vaccination groups have demonized doctors so much over the last few decades, the reaction is not, "lets see what the doctor says." Rather it is that their special snowflake is going to be the 1 in a hundred thousand that actually had a side effect. The problem is though, this reaction occurs in half the population. Suddenly, the message becomes quite dangerous because herd immunity can no longer protect those who have legitimate issues with vaccination.Thank you for adding this portion. This small tidbit is why I believe individuals and parents should be informed of the risks and why I believe that it should be a decision based on the individual's medical and family history.
You keep using the Seatbelt analogy but you cant compare the two.
Seatbelts clearly sale many more lives then they hurt. While with vaccines, especially that flu vaccine, there is no evidence they save lives. The evidence shows they don't.
But there is lots of evidence they have side effects and kill people.
You keep using the Seatbelt analogy but you cant compare the two.
Seatbelts clearly sale many more lives then they hurt. While with vaccines, especially that flu vaccine, there is no evidence they save lives. The evidence shows they don't.
But there is lots of evidence they have side effects and kill people.