This is seriously evil!
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(Pinky and the Brain is an Emmy award winning cartoon about 2 genetically altered lab mice who try to take over the world (and fail) every night. In each episode, Brain asks if Pinky "is pondering what he is pondering", and the gag is that Pinky will respond with something completely unrelated to the obvious setup. Hence the question posted in response to SanFrank's line about Islam taking over the world)
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Sorry, didn't see it. Just because the religion allows lying does not automatically mean they will. Besides, I'm not impressed. I've heard plenty of Christians claiming that lying for Jesus is acceptable.
Was there another one I missed?
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This brings up some truly interesting, contrasting points of *cough* philosophy:
Do you realize how long the US "war on terror" has consisted of waiting it out while they attack so we can pick them off, rather than actively going into their turf? This strategy would be greatly enhanced by displaying hatred as much as possible if it triggers said cycle of violence w/ the enemy as aggressor. Not a new strategy either; can you say "rope-a-dope?"
In the meantime we are greatly outsmarted by an inferior force that can adapt quickly, and exploit the fact that we're weighed down by our own bureaucracy. The longer we sit and wait, the more we drain our Treasury, and spend it into theirs. This is not only their primary goal anyway, but far better than anything they'd hoped to accomplish! OTOH, if we rush in like fools our only hope of survival is collateral damage, and they don't care about that in the least seeing as they'll use human shields. they can't lose! Unless we burn Korans in a million different places and make them lose their cool. (Not that I support this twisted endeavor, but it would be one possible strategy, and is seemingly better than anything we've done in the longest)
Don't look now, but I just did that. Unless you buy into that silly notion that "we can't kill them all." This would come under the heading of "though shalt not tempt the US military industrial complex." that one comes right after "though shalt pay thy taxes." And on these two laws hang all the rest.
Our freedom was never actually at stake. Our "terror alert system" (or whatever it's called) would be our greatest loss of freedom, except we implemented the loss of a great many other freedoms along with it. So i guess the question becomes what's the best way of dying for the cause? (Or killing for it)
Do you realize how long the US "war on terror" has consisted of waiting it out while they attack so we can pick them off, rather than actively going into their turf? This strategy would be greatly enhanced by displaying hatred as much as possible if it triggers said cycle of violence w/ the enemy as aggressor. Not a new strategy either; can you say "rope-a-dope?"
In the meantime we are greatly outsmarted by an inferior force that can adapt quickly, and exploit the fact that we're weighed down by our own bureaucracy. The longer we sit and wait, the more we drain our Treasury, and spend it into theirs. This is not only their primary goal anyway, but far better than anything they'd hoped to accomplish! OTOH, if we rush in like fools our only hope of survival is collateral damage, and they don't care about that in the least seeing as they'll use human shields. they can't lose! Unless we burn Korans in a million different places and make them lose their cool. (Not that I support this twisted endeavor, but it would be one possible strategy, and is seemingly better than anything we've done in the longest)
Don't look now, but I just did that. Unless you buy into that silly notion that "we can't kill them all." This would come under the heading of "though shalt not tempt the US military industrial complex." that one comes right after "though shalt pay thy taxes." And on these two laws hang all the rest.
Our freedom was never actually at stake. Our "terror alert system" (or whatever it's called) would be our greatest loss of freedom, except we implemented the loss of a great many other freedoms along with it. So i guess the question becomes what's the best way of dying for the cause? (Or killing for it)
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Here's a sound byte from Harry Jackson that may send your notion down in flames:
"if we do not recognize and repent, we are going to see our way of life destroyed as we now know it."
He's really not saying WE are supposed to be picking the fight. You did have me scared for a minute there
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Take it up with Saint Clement of Alexandria, then:
"Not all true things are the truth, nor should that truth which merely seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith."
Clement (quoted by M. Smith, Clement of Alexandria, p446)
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Or John Chrysostom:
"Do you see the advantage of deceit? ...
For great is the value of deceit, provided it be not introduced with a mischievous intention. In fact action of this kind ought not to be called deceit, but rather a kind of good management, cleverness and skill, capable of finding out ways where resources fail, and making up for the defects of the mind ...
And often it is necessary to deceive, and to do the greatest benefits by means of this device, whereas he who has gone by a straight course has done great mischief to the person whom he has not deceived."
– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1.
"Do you see the advantage of deceit? ...
For great is the value of deceit, provided it be not introduced with a mischievous intention. In fact action of this kind ought not to be called deceit, but rather a kind of good management, cleverness and skill, capable of finding out ways where resources fail, and making up for the defects of the mind ...
And often it is necessary to deceive, and to do the greatest benefits by means of this device, whereas he who has gone by a straight course has done great mischief to the person whom he has not deceived."
– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1.
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Or what about Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, who foreshadowed Orwells 1984 in saying:
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
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Or, considering the Evangelicals' disdain for Catholocism, what about Martin Luther?
"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."
– Martin Luther (Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol. I.)
"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."
– Martin Luther (Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol. I.)
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For the sake of my own peace of mind, I'm taking a break from this thread for a while. I thank anyone who disagreed with me for expressing their disagreements, and without burning copies of the Nicomachean Ethics or Atlas Shrugged.
Respectful and intelligent dialog is always welcome, for this is how we may live the Examined Life. Regardless of any passionate disagreements, I still count you all as friends and allies in our life missions in some respect.
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Respectful and intelligent dialog is always welcome, for this is how we may live the Examined Life. Regardless of any passionate disagreements, I still count you all as friends and allies in our life missions in some respect.
eudaimonia,
Mark
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Your welcome mark, and likewise. Wow Jane, you sure pulled out some reasons why I've never embraced churchianity! I can't believe I'm actually reading extra-Biblical stuff now, thought I never would. I've already encountered that those 3 you quoted from are iffy at best, and now are totally trippin' in my book so thank you.
Your challenge should you choose to accept it: find something bogus in either Clement of Rome or Enoch. (The oddball phoenix mention excepted, I can harmonize that) For that matter Barnabas is good, just leave out the hare and the weasel. The swine and the offerings are particularly good!
Your challenge should you choose to accept it: find something bogus in either Clement of Rome or Enoch. (The oddball phoenix mention excepted, I can harmonize that) For that matter Barnabas is good, just leave out the hare and the weasel. The swine and the offerings are particularly good!
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It seems to some followers of the "prince of peace" all they care about is inciting more hatred and war.
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