Give me one beneficial mutation.

[SLP]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous questions ever posted here (and that is saying something). Why are you asking for something no biologists has ever claimed evolution does?

It is not the first time I have seen something so incredibly ignorant coming from a YEC.

I suppose such a demand is akin to a non-theist demanding that in order for them to find the story of Jesus believable, they would like to see evidence that Zeus was real - and actually believing that such a demand was a legitimate 'test' for Christianity..

 

[Archer93]

I want a male version of Tetrachromacy. Sounds awesome.

That mutation would explain this phenomenon-
Home on the Strange: A Spectrum Of Difficulties

 

[AirPo]

In every case given here, the mutation involves existing code. Show me the addition of new code. To put it simply:

A car has many parts. To make it run faster, louder, or more efficiently I can change the arrangement of parts, add more of the existing parts, or take parts away. In every case I am not adding anything new to the car.

This is how all of the mutations listed in this thread have been. I've yet to see something with new code.

Sure you have. You don't need new material to have new code.

Consider a different type of material and code, English letters and words.

Dog is one arrangement of the letters d o and g. It has a well known code associated with it.

God is another arrangement and has a very different code associate with it.

Unless, of course, you contend that God is a dog.

See sig...

 

[Flatland]

Notice how all the creationists has stopped responding to this thread and is unlikely to do so again. We see this same pattern over and over. The creationists spews their nonsense and gets embarrassingly refuted. They stop responding and disappear from the thread. They then come back after awhile and start a new thread just to post the exact same garbage all over again.

I call this the life cycle of a creationist.

 

[variant]

Probability of Wings Evolving in time for some evolutionary paths. = 100%

Evidence.

See also:

What good are modified exoskeletons?

And:

What good are modified skin flaps?

And:

What good are modified finger webs?


Also:

What good are modified fins?

 

[3sigma]

Notice how all the creationists has stopped responding to this thread and is unlikely to do so again. We see this same pattern over and over. The creationists spews their nonsense and gets embarrassingly refuted. They stop responding and disappear from the thread. They then come back after awhile and start a new thread just to post the exact same garbage all over again.

I’ve noticed this behaviour from religious believers in general whenever they are shown to be wrong or asked questions for which they have no reasonable answer. What’s more, I just noticed that this creationist’s first foray in these forums is an argument that even AiG says should never be used. It seems some creationists can’t even learn from their own sources.

 

[sbvera13]

It seems some creationists can’t even learn from their own sources.

That makes sense, because learning is not their goal.

 

[sandwiches]

how about adding any letter besides a, c, g, or t.

It burns...

 

[Tinker Grey]

[aside]
Every time I read the title to this thread, I want to say "Fine. Where do you want it?"
[/aside]

 

[rockaction]

A truly inspiring thread.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

These threads always amuse.

A creationist reads a creo site, or perhaps attends a creo seminar by their local pastor. They get all fired up and start a thread about how impossible (insert PRATT here) is. Mounds of evidence are dumped on to demonstrate otherwise. Their lack of biological knowledge leaves their head spinning. They quickly exit thread, never to be heard from again.

 

[keith99]

Just a thought for those still reading this thread.

As far as Darwinian Evolution goes just what is beneficial comes down to does it help an organism susrive and reporduce.

Our creationist decided that wings on a horse would be beneficial.

I contend it would not. Let's say we got a great genetic engineer (let's say from Mars) who can play with the codes to give a horse wings. Just how big would those wings have to be to allow a horse to fly? Could a grass eating animal generate the energy to use those wings? In short would they be of any use to a horse?

Bonus points for anyone who can think of how wings could help a horse (I can think of one, oops 2 ways that 'wings' could help a horse). More bonus points if one can figure out the science fiction work I are aluding to in this post

 

[AirPo]

David Brin Uplift series comes to mind.
Also a Piers Anthony, but that was fantasy.

 

[Heaven-Sent]

I've still yet to see a beneficial mutation.

The claims of birds evolving wings had intermediate stages, I'm curious, what were those stages. And how is there insects, mammals, and birds with wings? I think I know the answer, MILLIONS of years, or better yet just say, "Use your imagintion!"

 

[Split Rock]

I've still yet to see a beneficial mutation.

So, you finally returned! Only to bear false witness..... I thought that was a sin?

The claims of birds evolving wings had intermediate stages, I'm curious, what were those stages. And how is there insects, mammals, and birds with wings? I think I know the answer, MILLIONS of years, or better yet just say, "Use your imagintion!"

I don't really think you are curious about the stages of the evolution of the avian wing. We could discuss intermediates like archaeopteryx, or the different stages of feathers found with theropod dinosaur fossils, or the fact that birds produce both scales and feathers just like their theropod ancestors did, but you really wouldn't care... would you?

 

[Heaven-Sent]

Because they don't understand what DNA is I'm Guessing.

I understand DNA very well, but it seems that most of you do not. If anyone knew the complexity of a single strand of DNA, you would know it would be impossible for it to spontaneously combust from gases.

For those of you who do not know the complexity of it, let me tell you. You would have a better chance of throwing paint in the air and it falling to the ground to paint an exact "Mona Lisa" painting, Now multiply that by 100.

It would be as though you remove all the letters from all the books in the U.S. Library of Congress, jumble them, and randomly place the letters back, creating an exact match.

But hey, it took billions of years right? So hey, just use your imagination.

 

[Heaven-Sent]

So, you finally returned! Only to bear false witness..... I thought that was a sin?


I don't really think you are curious about the stages of the evolution of the avian wing. We could discuss intermediates like archaeopteryx, or the different stages of feathers found with theropod dinosaur fossils, or the fact that birds produce both scales and feathers just like their theropod ancestors did, but you really wouldn't care... would you?

As I am only remotely interested in the birds, I am very interested in the evolution of flying insects. Did these creatures also evolve from a dinosaur?

 

[Targ]

I understand DNA very well, but it seems that most of you do not. If anyone knew the complexity of a single strand of DNA, you would know it would be impossible for it to spontaneously combust from gases.

Hey, you were the one stating that a good example of new genetic code would be having a letter other than a, c, g or t. That was so bad, and caused so many people to facepalm that it was almost FSTDT worthy.

Also, did you really mean to say that DNA is formed when gases 'spontaneously combust'? You do realise that 'spontaneous combustion' refers to something bursting into flames?

 

[Targ]

As I am only remotely interested in the birds, I am very interested in the evolution of flying insects. Did these creatures also evolve from a dinosaur?

Of course they didn't. You're not even close: insects and birds have totally different lines of descent.

 

[Heaven-Sent]

Hey, you were the one stating that a good example of new genetic code would be having a letter other than a, c, g or t. That was so bad, and caused so many people to facepalm that it was almost FSTDT worthy.

Also, did you really mean to say that DNA is formed when gases 'spontaneously combust'? You do realise that 'spontaneous combustion' refers to something bursting into flames?

Ok, I will do you a favor

/sarcasm_OFF