What do you feel are the strong points of creationism?

[Mallon]

I am interested in truth.

So why are you making up lies about evolution claiming people are descended from bananas? That's not very truthful.

 

[kenblaster5000]

So why are you making up lies about evolution claiming people are descended from bananas? That's not very truthful.

I did not make up the lie. I agree it is not truthful, nor the truth.

 

[The Lady Kate]

I did not make up the lie. I agree it is not truthful, nor the truth.

Yet you continue to believe evolutionists claim it... if you were interested enuogh in evolution to get the wrong information about it, could you also be interested enough to get the right infromation?

 

[Mallon]

I did not make up the lie.

Where did you get it from, then? Because it is a lie. The theory of evolution does not state that humans are descended from bananas. I'd be curious to know your source for this.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Yet you continue to believe evolutionists claim it... if you were interested enuogh in evolution to get the wrong information about it, could you also be interested enough to get the right infromation?

I do have some right information about evolution. Survival of the fittest and natural selection I agree with and it is testable.

Adaptation of species I can agree with also. I do not think we had tails at one time and do not think we were apes, transforming into humans over billions of years.

I know you must think that Noah's flood is a reality, and if people lived hundreds of years back then, so did the animals. And if the animals lived hundreds of years they were much bigger. Giants before the flood I take as a reality and I think that dinosaurs were around with man.

I do not think that a meteor killed the dinosaurs. If man were around with the dinosaurs, man would be extinct as well.

I could be wrong and still have misconceptions. I learned a lot of lies growing up in school learning science, I also learned a lot of truths. I think it would be a noble thing to have my eyes full of light and not darkness, truth and not lies. When the eye is full of light, so is the rest of the body.

I will leave it at that for now. I am trying to practice multiquoting but it has come out wrong. When I can do that, I can agree on some points and disagree on others.

Bless.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Most of them aren't... they have varying opinions on the creator... what they are against is the notion of a creator who created exactly as described in the book of Genesis.

Big difference there.

I'm a proponent of evolution, and I know the creator... no conflict here.

No conflict



Explain.



Name one.

Only problem is it's not an evolutionary claim... it's yours. Now support it.

Okay, I read some rules, and am testing this stuff out.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Alright, I think I got it. Sometimes with multiquoting I do not know exactly what was discussed though. So now I have to remember, huh?

 

[kenblaster5000]

Tell me: Who are some good creation scientists to look into?

What creation scientists should not be looked at and why?

How is intelligent design in effectiveness? I can agree with the arguments, knowing that we are creative and our God is creative as well, and we are made in His image, but those who do not believe in a God think it absurd.

I have watched some of Carl Baugh and Kent Hovind. Carl Baugh seems to be a good man to watch. Kent Hovind has some creative arguments but is a bit sarcastic. Kent Hovind has marred his reputation but whatever is going on there he is in my prayers. Sometimes people care too much about appearing to be perfect and righteous. And will not hold themselves accountable for mistakes. God will prune and purge so that Kent can be better suited for ministry without shame. We all go through the fire and pruning.

Keep in mind, anything pertaining to us coming from apes is just a turnoff.

Thank you and God bless you all.

 

[The Lady Kate]

I do have some right information about evolution. Survival of the fittest and natural selection I agree with and it is testable.

"Survival of the fittest" is a soundbyte, not a theory... natural selection is pretty self-evident, IMO.

Adaptation of species I can agree with also. I do not think we had tails at one time and do not think we were apes, transforming into humans over billions of years.

Why not?

I know you must think that Noah's flood is a reality, and if people lived hundreds of years back then, so did the animals.

Actually, I don't believe it was a reality, nor do I think people or animals really lived for hundreds of years...except for the ones that do now, of course. Some turtles, IIRC, live for centuries.

And if the animals lived hundreds of years they were much bigger.

Why? There's a point where growing stops... get old enough, and people start to shrink... osteoperosis, etc.

Giants before the flood I take as a reality and I think that dinosaurs were around with man.

You think that... great. Why do you think it?

I do not think that a meteor killed the dinosaurs. If man were around with the dinosaurs, man would be extinct as well.

Then man wasn't around with the dinosaurs... and even if they were, you've already said that you accept natural selection as a reality... if something happened to this planet which the dinosaurs couldn't adapt to but early hominids could, then man wouldn't necessarily go extinct, would they?

But that's moot, since nobody who's studied the evidence seriously believes that man and dinosaurs coexisted.

I could be wrong and still have misconceptions. I learned a lot of lies growing up in school learning science, I also learned a lot of truths. I think it would be a noble thing to have my eyes full of light and not darkness, truth and not lies. When the eye is full of light, so is the rest of the body.

Too true... we must never stop separating the grain form the chaff... as long as you're interested in doing so, we'll have some very pleasant and interesting discussions here.

I will leave it at that for now. I am trying to practice multiquoting but it has come out wrong. When I can do that, I can agree on some points and disagree on others.

Bless.

You mean quoting separate parts of one person's post, or quoting multiple posts in one reply? They're both pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I think I will keep with just multiquote for one person at a time, especially when there is so much to quote. Hopefully, we can agree or agree to disagree to keep all the quoting down. Later I may launch to quote several posts at once.

 

[kenblaster5000]

"Survival of the fittest" is a soundbyte, not a theory... natural selection is pretty self-evident, IMO.

sound bite-a brief recorded statement broadcast especially on a news program. The strongest animal in a herd is most likely to reproduce. A person with the best qualifications usually gets the job. Integrity is not always valued though it should be.

Why not?

There is no proof that any man had a tail. No proof either that we came from apes. There may be evidence alluding to, but no proof whatsoever. My prediction is that these will never be proven.

Actually, I don't believe it was a reality, nor do I think people or animals really lived for hundreds of years...except for the ones that do now, of course. Some turtles, IIRC, live for centuries.

Do you believe the word of God is inspired and mostly infallible? The bible claims that many lived 800 years or over at the most. I am leaving out reptiles being dinosaurs of the past, because I do not see regular reptiles that look like a brontosaur or a triceratops.



Why? There's a point where growing stops... get old enough, and people start to shrink... osteoperosis, etc.Sin came into the world with adam and hence so did many diseases. I think it took quite some time for people to die in the atmosphere back then even with the entropy caused by sin.



You think that... great. Why do you think it?You do not believe the reality of angels and fallen angels as depicted in the bible. The angels of God rebelled and were thrown down to earth and they proceeded to go into the daughters of men and together had giants we call nephilim. I will find the find they made on the annanaki. Seems that archaeology will be able to prove the bible correct.



Then man wasn't around with the dinosaurs... and even if they were, you've already said that you accept natural selection as a reality... if something happened to this planet which the dinosaurs couldn't adapt to but early hominids could, then man wouldn't necessarily go extinct, would they?Well, if there was dust in the air to block out the sun, and the plantlife died, hence no oxygen produced to breathe and not carbon dioxide given out by humans and/or dinosaurs, it kind of causes a paradox. We still have plantlife which depends on carbon dioxide and humans or life that depends on oxygen.

But that's moot, since nobody who's studied the evidence seriously believes that man and dinosaurs coexisted.Job must have not been around during the dinosaurs. He was told by the Lord to behold the behemoth. I do not think that the Lord would inform him of that if the behemoth was present. Job could have been around that time I guess, if the behemoth was there to behold at the time. I do not know. You would think that man would have a hard time living around dinosaurs.

Too true... we must never stop separating the grain form the chaff... as long as you're interested in doing so, we'll have some very pleasant and interesting discussions here.

I talk a lot about what the bible states and I do take His word on faith. Not all of it is proven. Yet.

You mean quoting separate parts of one person's post, or quoting multiple posts in one reply? They're both pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

I think I got the hang of it for now.

 

[The Lady Kate]

There is no proof that any man had a tail.

Had a tail, and every once in a while, still has a tail.

Google images are your friend.

humans with tails - Google Search

No proof either that we came from apes. There may be evidence alluding to, but no proof whatsoever. My prediction is that these will never be proven.

It's devilishly hard to "prove" anything scientifically... only disprove. But the evidence alluding to it tends to mount up until only the most hopelessly stubborn individual will continue to deny it.

Humans' descent from an ape-like ancestor is one of those things with a mountain of evidence you could hang-glide off of if you were so inclined... would you be interested in talking about it?

Do you believe the word of God is inspired and mostly infallible?

"Mostly" infallible? Isn't that like "slightly" pregnant, or "sort of" dead? Either it is or it isn't... no hedging bets allowed.

But of course the Bible is infallible... provided, of course, that we read it the way its original intended audience would've read it... which does not mean a superficially literal interpretation. Otherwise, the Bible reads falsely, but the fault is not in the Bible, but in the reader.

The bible claims that many lived 800 years or over at the most.

Actually, the Bible makes only a few claims concerning a handful of exceptional people selected by God... we have no reason to believe that this was the norm based on what it tells us.

I am leaving out reptiles being dinosaurs of the past, because I do not see regular reptiles that look like a brontosaur or a triceratops.

I wouldn't expect to... but then again, there are more things in this world than what we see.

Sin came into the world with adam and hence so did many diseases. I think it took quite some time for people to die in the atmosphere back then even with the entropy caused by sin.

Except we already know that sin doesn't cause disease... germs do. And I assure you, a bacterium or virus does not care one bit whether you are a righteous man or a reprobate. They are part of nature, just as the Sun shines on the good and the wicked, and the rain falls on the just and unjust alike.

You do not believe the reality of angels and fallen angels as depicted in the bible. The angels of God rebelled and were thrown down to earth and they proceeded to go into the daughters of men and together had giants we call nephilim. I will find the find they made on the annanaki. Seems that archaeology will be able to prove the bible correct.

Perhaps it will if/when it does, then we can look into that in more detail... or perhaps, and consider this... people in ancient times would occasionally discover a very old and very large bone or two and wonder what manner of creature could've possibly posessed it.

There's a similar theory that the greek discovery of elephant or possibly mammoth skulls spurred the legend of the cyclops... would you think so if you found one of these?:

Well, if there was dust in the air to block out the sun, and the plantlife died, hence no oxygen produced to breathe and not carbon dioxide given out by humans and/or dinosaurs, it kind of causes a paradox. We still have plantlife which depends on carbon dioxide and humans or life that depends on oxygen.

There are other possibilities, although I'll admit I'm out of my element here:

Suppose not all plant life died, for example, but enough to lover the oxygen levels to the point that dinos couldn't get enough air, but smaller animals could.

Perhaps the sun was completely blocked out, but life survived in the oceans... IIRC, ocean plants in the deep waters can live without sunlight... which is good for them, because the sunlight doesn't reach them anyway, so the evolutionary process started over.

I'm sure there are other possibilities, and far more qualified people than myself to discuss them with.

.Job must have not been around during the dinosaurs. He was told by the Lord to behold the behemoth. I do not think that the Lord would inform him of that if the behemoth was present. Job could have been around that time I guess, if the behemoth was there to behold at the time. I do not know. You would think that man would have a hard time living around dinosaurs.

Assuming a behemoth is, in fact, a reference to a dinosaur... the Bible never makes that connection, fallible men do.

I talk a lot about what the bible states and I do take His word on faith. Not all of it is proven. Yet.

And it's very possible... I'd say almost certain, that when it is proven, we'll find that it wasn't what we thought it was.

After all, the Bible is infallible, but we are not... not even when we're reading the Bible.

I think I got the hang of it for now.

Looks that way.

 

[Mallon]

Tell me: Who are some good creation scientists to look into?

Todd Wood.

What creation scientists should not be looked at and why?

Everyone else, because they don't understand what they're arguing against. Todd Wood is the first YEC I've seen who actually understands the evidence for evolution and can repeat it back to you without having to distort it (like saying men evolved from bananas).

I have watched some of Carl Baugh and Kent Hovind. Carl Baugh seems to be a good man to watch.

Carl Baugh is a known fraudster, which is why other creationist ministries warn against using his material.

Kent Hovind has some creative arguments but is a bit sarcastic.

Ditto. That's why he's in jail as we speak.

 

[rcorlew]

Had a tail, and every once in a while, still has a tail.

Google images are your friend.

humans with tails - Google Search

It's devilishly hard to "prove" anything scientifically... only disprove. But the evidence alluding to it tends to mount up until only the most hopelessly stubborn individual will continue to deny it.

Humans' descent from an ape-like ancestor is one of those things with a mountain of evidence you could hang-glide off of if you were so inclined... would you be interested in talking about it?

"Mostly" infallible? Isn't that like "slightly" pregnant, or "sort of" dead? Either it is or it isn't... no hedging bets allowed.

But of course the Bible is infallible... provided, of course, that we read it the way its original intended audience would've read it... which does not mean a superficially literal interpretation. Otherwise, the Bible reads falsely, but the fault is not in the Bible, but in the reader.

Actually, the Bible makes only a few claims concerning a handful of exceptional people selected by God... we have no reason to believe that this was the norm based on what it tells us.

I wouldn't expect to... but then again, there are more things in this world than what we see.

Except we already know that sin doesn't cause disease... germs do. And I assure you, a bacterium or virus does not care one bit whether you are a righteous man or a reprobate. They are part of nature, just as the Sun shines on the good and the wicked, and the rain falls on the just and unjust alike.

Perhaps it will if/when it does, then we can look into that in more detail... or perhaps, and consider this... people in ancient times would occasionally discover a very old and very large bone or two and wonder what manner of creature could've possibly posessed it.

There's a similar theory that the greek discovery of elephant or possibly mammoth skulls spurred the legend of the cyclops... would you think so if you found one of these?:

There are other possibilities, although I'll admit I'm out of my element here:

Suppose not all plant life died, for example, but enough to lover the oxygen levels to the point that dinos couldn't get enough air, but smaller animals could.

Perhaps the sun was completely blocked out, but life survived in the oceans... IIRC, ocean plants in the deep waters can live without sunlight... which is good for them, because the sunlight doesn't reach them anyway, so the evolutionary process started over.

I'm sure there are other possibilities, and far more qualified people than myself to discuss them with.

Assuming a behemoth is, in fact, a reference to a dinosaur... the Bible never makes that connection, fallible men do.

And it's very possible... I'd say almost certain, that when it is proven, we'll find that it wasn't what we thought it was.

After all, the Bible is infallible, but we are not... not even when we're reading the Bible.

Looks that way.

Well I have to give a major kudos award to you ma'am, if each conversation held on these forums were as polite and frankly honest I do believe we could better portray Christ!!!

 

[The Lady Kate]

Well I have to give a major kudos award to you ma'am, if each conversation held on these forums were as polite and frankly honest I do believe we could better portray Christ!!!

Well, in all honesty, I've been in a pretty high-stress debate over in politics, giving and getting the business... it's nice to come over here and be civil.

 

[rcorlew]

Well, in all honesty, I've been in a pretty high-stress debate over in politics, giving and getting the business... it's nice to come over here and be civil.

Isn't that a good portrayal of the human condition, to have a "flash point" of immovable proportions. I am in there with you though, sometimes we wish we could somehow share an experience with a person in a manner that they would be able to see our point of view, but the more we try the madder we become when they cannot or will not share our view on things. We (including myself) would all do well to remain humble in all things and understand that part of being human is that we are not always right, but still extremely valuable to God!

 

[kenblaster5000]

Had a tail, and every once in a while, still has a tail.

Google images are your friend.

humans with tails - Google Search

As Thomas said, seeing is believing.

It's devilishly hard to "prove" anything scientifically... only disprove. But the evidence alluding to it tends to mount up until only the most hopelessly stubborn individual will continue to deny it.

I am somewhat stubborn but not hopeless.

Humans' descent from an ape-like ancestor is one of those things with a mountain of evidence you could hang-glide off of if you were so inclined... would you be interested in talking about it?

I often jest, if people want to be like lower primates let them.



"Mostly" infallible? Isn't that like "slightly" pregnant, or "sort of" dead? Either it is or it isn't... no hedging bets allowed.

But of course the Bible is infallible... provided, of course, that we read it the way its original intended audience would've read it... which does not mean a superficially literal interpretation. Otherwise, the Bible reads falsely, but the fault is not in the Bible, but in the reader.

The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and wisdom. We just have to ask for wisdom, God gives it without finding fault.

Actually, the Bible makes only a few claims concerning a handful of exceptional people selected by God... we have no reason to believe that this was the norm based on what it tells us.

It tells us that it only happened before the flood and that man's age is limited to 120 years and younger.

I wouldn't expect to... but then again, there are more things in this world than what we see.

Obviously, especially now I have evidence of people actually having tails.

Except we already know that sin doesn't cause disease... germs do. And I assure you, a bacterium or virus does not care one bit whether you are a righteous man or a reprobate. They are part of nature, just as the Sun shines on the good and the wicked, and the rain falls on the just and unjust alike.

Agreed.



Perhaps it will if/when it does, then we can look into that in more detail... or perhaps, and consider this... people in ancient times would occasionally discover a very old and very large bone or two and wonder what manner of creature could've possibly posessed it.

There's a similar theory that the greek discovery of elephant or possibly mammoth skulls spurred the legend of the cyclops... would you think so if you found one of these?:

There are other possibilities, although I'll admit I'm out of my element here:

Suppose not all plant life died, for example, but enough to lover the oxygen levels to the point that dinos couldn't get enough air, but smaller animals could.

Perhaps the sun was completely blocked out, but life survived in the oceans... IIRC, ocean plants in the deep waters can live without sunlight... which is good for them, because the sunlight doesn't reach them anyway, so the evolutionary process started over.

I'm sure there are other possibilities, and far more qualified people than myself to discuss them with.



Assuming a behemoth is, in fact, a reference to a dinosaur... the Bible never makes that connection, fallible men do.



And it's very possible... I'd say almost certain, that when it is proven, we'll find that it wasn't what we thought it was.

After all, the Bible is infallible, but we are not... not even when we're reading the Bible.



Looks that way.

Good points.

 

[The Lady Kate]

I am somewhat stubborn but not hopeless.

So I see... nothing wrong with that.

I often jest, if people want to be like lower primates let them.

A good jest, but the point is, we do share traits with lower primats whether we "want" to or not.

The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and wisdom. We just have to ask for wisdom, God gives it without finding fault.

God gives it without fault... whether or not we receive it without fault is a whole different thing.

It tells us that it only happened before the flood and that man's age is limited to 120 years and younger.

Right... what it doesn't tell us is whether or not this was the norm before the Flood, or whether God was choosing special people to bless with long lives.

Good points.

Thank you.

 

[Assyrian]

I often jest, if people want to be like lower primates let them.

Eccles 3:18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Eccles 3:18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

God did not allow me a chance to recreate or renew my mind to be a brute beast. I am a new species. One that has never been before. The audacity.