Catholics-Muslims spiritually united?

[lionroar0]

Salvation is not based on our worth but on the mercy and Grace of God our creator.

 

[lionroar0]

It is not our fault his posts are contradictory as he backpedals to cover poor theology. So, I ask questions for clarification.

Maybe I just need to bring down a few levels?? boswd doesn't seem to have any problems understanding what I wrote.

 

[lionroar0]

Original sin IS universal, and "the wages of sin is death"...
How can a dead man only have a wounded nature? Therefore depravity is in fact universal.

We take out nature with us. Adam, Eve and Jesus had an unfallen nature. Original sin doesn't take away our human nature and replace it with a different one. We still have human nature although it is wounded by Original Sin.

Jesus dying on the cross doesn't give us back our human nature, because original sin does not take it away. He heals our wounded human nature. He renews us. He regenerates us and we are reborn into the perfect image of God.

We change from an imperfect image wounded by original sin to one that is not wounded by original sin.

 

[simonthezealot]

I understand that this is what it was . . . problem is that there is supposed to be NO ECUMENISM BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE ENEMY. Sure we evangelize them . . . but that is not ecumenism.

Not to mention that we are, in their view, in the House of War, there IS NO SUCH THING AS DIPLOMACY.

Well said MtK, in my view whether it is the Church at Rome, Church of England or the Southern Baptist convention to even acknowledge Islam or any false religions only serves to give them a sense of significance and a stage to work from, Rome has just happened to go a little further...Not sure whether an of you recall that ecumenical prayer summit that JP2 had with the witch doctors and all those false religions on stage with him, but all of these action stand in direct opposition to scripture and besmudges Jesus the Christs' work on the cross...
Oh yeah another thing that bothers me in this regard is when ANYONE generically says people of faith and then lumps the truth of Christ in with all these other works of satan.

 

[lionroar0]

Well said MtK, in my view whether it is the Church at Rome, Church of England or the Southern Baptist convention to even acknowledge Islam or any false religions only serves to give them a sense of significance and a stage to work from, Rome has just happened to go a little further...Not sure whether an of you recall that ecumenical prayer summit that JP2 had with the witch doctors and all those false religions on stage with him, but all of these action stand in direct opposition to scripture and besmudges Jesus the Christs' work on the cross...
Oh yeah another thing that bothers me in this regard is when ANYONE generically says people of faith and then lumps the truth of Christ in with all these other works of satan.

Jesus sat and ate dinner with sinners and tax collectors.

 

[lionroar0]

This is a problem? There is nothing worth saving brother . . . that is why it is GRACE. The only worth that we have is that which God Himself births in us that glorifies Him.

It's Grace, not because there is nothing worth saving. It's Grace because there is nothing that we can do to make God saves us but He did so, because He created us and loves us.

This is a common colloquailism that is nothing but false. WE are in ADAM'S fallen image which is why we are BORN AGAIN Into the image of Christ. Adam, Eve and Jesus were the only ones to bear the "image" of God . . . we bear the image of fallen Adam, hence we are "in Adam" and then we are "in Christ"

We are not made in Adam's image. We are made in God's image.

So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

Original sin wounded that image. The image is not a different image. We are still created in God's image and original sin wounds that image.

Our image does not change when we are born again. Our image is healed and becomes like image that God intended for us.

I thnk you have a fatal misunderstaning of sin. He does not HEAL original sin . . . HE DESTROYS IT AND WE ARE REMADE INTO SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. Hence "when He comes we will be like Him as He is" but we dont know what that is.

Sin is not a wound to be healed, as if there is life still there. Sin KILLS we are DEAD in trespasses and sins (eph 2), we are MADE ALIVE IN CHRIST . . . not healing, resurrection.

Now your talking about 2 different things. Original sin and sin.

No we are not made into something different. God already made us in His image. He did not and does not remake us again. When He comes again and we rise up we will be as Adam and Eve were and as Jesus is now. We will be His image as He intended it to be. We will not be remade into something different. Rather we will become fully human. How we were before Adam and Eve sinned and how Jesus is now.

Sin is a wound to be healed. Jesus sat with sinners and tax collectors, because the healthy do not need a Dr.

The issue is what do the Scriptures teach. Human nature is fallen, not wounded as if there is something inside that is still good. The Scriptures are clear THERE IS NONE THAT IS GOOD, NOT ONE, ALL HAVE GONE ASTRAY.

Jesus besides being God is also human. He became Human like us to saves us. Human nature is not totally fallen.

It's not the Scriptures but one verse. Which Is being taken out of context.

 

[simonthezealot]

Jesus sat and ate dinner with sinners and tax collectors.

What's your point here?

 

[simonthezealot]

1986 Assisi

 

[mont974x4]

Why not?

It appears that way by your posts. The logical conclusion of your belief that people are wounded but not deprived means that they do not need saved. I wa shoping you did not mean that, so I asked. Do you understand what you are posting and the implications of your theology here?

 

[lighthouse_hope]

1986 Assisi

Absolutely lovely

 

[boswd]

It appears that way by your posts. The logical conclusion of your belief that people are wounded but not deprived means that they do not need saved. I wa shoping you did not mean that, so I asked. Do you understand what you are posting and the implications of your theology here?

whether you consider yourself wounded or depraved you still need a Savior. If you don't have Christ you remain wounded and you don't see the Father, the Kingdom.

He was perfectly clear on the need for a savior in his post.
Not exactly seeing how you are misinterpreting or not understanding.

Whether you agree or disagree on our state after the Fall of Adam ie wounded or depraved. wounded does not suggest we don't need a Savior to heal that wound.

Not seeing your whole "implications of your theology" statement.

Lionroar was perfectly clear on the need for a Savior in his post.

 

[boswd]

1986 Assisi

Looks like there are a few other Christian Leaders in that Photo.
Should we be expecting threads on you bashing them in the near future or is your focus to remain soley on the Catholics?

me thinks the latter

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Looks like there are a few other Christian Leaders in that Photo.
Should we be expecting threads on you bashing them in the near future or is your focus to remain soley on the Catholics?

me thinks the latter

I thought this was going to be more of a Muslim bashing thread myself...thankfully it hasn't turned out that way.....[yet]

Originally Posted by Mathetes the kerux I understand that this is what it was . . . problem is that there is supposed to be NO ECUMENISM BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE ENEMY. Sure we evangelize them . . . but that is not ecumenism.

Not to mention that we are, in their view, in the House of War, there IS NO SUCH THING AS DIPLOMACY.

Sounds good to me........

 

[mont974x4]

what you mean like:

"oh look, a row of fools following false gods"

or

"cosmic bus stop, no atheists allowed"



come on, take a break and have a "caption this photo" contest.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

what you mean like:

"oh look, a row of fools following false gods"

or

"cosmic bus stop, no atheists allowed"

come on, take a break and have a "caption this photo" contest.

Such is the Bible.
Some may view this as a banana......some as a corn cob......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7322018-3/#post54008151

 

[mont974x4]

bwahahahahah! LOL

 

[Yab Yum]

What's your point here?

As long as there is a Great Satan to crucify, who needs any other point?

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

whether you consider yourself wounded or depraved you still need a Savior. If you don't have Christ you remain wounded and you don't see the Father, the Kingdom.

He was perfectly clear on the need for a savior in his post.
Not exactly seeing how you are misinterpreting or not understanding.

Whether you agree or disagree on our state after the Fall of Adam ie wounded or depraved. wounded does not suggest we don't need a Savior to heal that wound.

Not seeing your whole "implications of your theology" statement.

Lionroar was perfectly clear on the need for a Savior in his post.

whether you consider yourself wounded or depraved you still need a Savior.

Uh no. A wounded man is still alive and needs a healer.

A depraved man is DEAD and needs a savior.

Two different issues my friend. One needs mere help, the other needs resurrection.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

As long as there is a Great Satan to crucify, who needs any other point?

Huh? Satan does not get crucified . . . he gets burnt in the Lake of Fire . . . unless your being sarcastic about somethin . . .

 

[mont974x4]

Seeing as the Bible tells us we were dead in our trespasses and sins...."wounded" simply does not cut it, does it? We are dealing with a dead man..or someone simply suffering from a papercut.