Indeed. We have a law that was handed directly to Moses by the Hand of God, and we have one that was mediated by angels. One passed away, the other is as eternal as the Hand that passed it down.
You had said Moses did not receive it in a post before this so which is it?
Perhaps you can help me out here by explaining what you mean by "the end of the law".
Romans 10:4 For
Christ is "the end" of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Wherefore then serveth the law?
It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
The law and the prophets
testified to Him He
IS "THE END" of them the FULFILLER of them, their INTENT to SEE to THE END to Jesus Christ = The SEED= Faith is come. It switches to us "receiving THE END of your faith". As He is the author and finisher of our faith.
It speaks of Moses glory, the covenant that come with glory we go from "glory
to glory"
2Cr 3:13 And
not as Moses,
which put a vail over his face,
that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the endof that which is abolished
2Cr 3:15
But even unto this day,
when Moses is read,
the vail is upon their heart.
2Cr 3:16
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord,
the vail shall be taken away.
Christ is
CALLED "The End" thats what he says He IS. God hides things this has nothing to do with ending times but is about OUR apppointed time of the Father who did appoint Jesus Christ.
If you're taking that from Revelation, don't forget that He has several other names as well. "The Beginning and the End" symbolizes that there was nothing before Him and there won't be anything after Him. It has nothing to do with the law.
Yes He is the Beginning and the End but Christ is also the End of the Law
Romans 10:4 For
Christ is "the end" of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
I would say He (Christ) is the intention of God for us (and a good one at that) I said.
Meaning we are to put on Christ as Christ is formed in us and be new creatures in Christ.
And you say I'm all over the place?
Which one is "out of place"? The colors are surely distracting to others at times but which is untrue to the similitude of a child?
I said...
Not saying anything different then Paul, the law was a tutor to lead to Christ and if your led by the Spirit your not under the law.
You replied...
Indeed you are sadly. If Paul was saying what you're saying that would mean He too taught that people were saved different ways at different times. That would be the logic to accompany transition from one age of "whatever" to the next.
Which scripture that I posted do you disagree with you must be specific, if your talking about the child your not reading it closely enough, the heir though he be a child is LORD OF ALL but he differ nothing from a servant even Paul says "When I was a child I thought as a child, understood as a child etc but when I became a man I put away childish things".
Why are you using the word "saved" in the context of your asking?
Ofcourse there is a transition, "LITTLE CHILDREN" (know your sins are forgiven) YOUNG MEN ye are STRONG as it pertains to the word of God abiding in them, "FATHERS" etc we are to GROW up in Christ and we all start with MILK so we can grow thereby and Paul shows they were not ready for MEAT for he says it belongs to them of
FULL AGE you are ignoring that. But theres no such ages to you when it speaks of them throughout scripture.
I think the Spirit of God shows you the way. I think God allows you to decide whether or not to follow. No the Spirit wouldn't lead you to murder, but He wouldn't stop you from doing it either.
Murder, such as the "act" of killing another? It runs much deeper then just that
1John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him
See why the Spirit (love of God) must be shed in our hearts? Because its not just about the act (thou shalt not kill with your hands, a knife, or a gun) its about having hatred in our hearts.
Ever been angry with someone since you've been saved?
Well, I dont use that word towards people like... "how long have you been saved"? type thing...Have I been angry at someone since calling upon the name of the Lord? I sure have, I dont think Im quick tempered and feel I'm pretty slow to anger. But just as in the case love, love might not be "EASILY" provoked but it CAN still BE provoked
Ephes 4:26
Be ye angry,
and sin not:
let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you,
That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Prov 16:32
He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty;
and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
But that would indicate that you dont believe the better hope made perfect verses the law which made nothing perfect
For instance
1Cr 2:6
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But who couldnt he speak as unto spiritual?
1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren,
could not speak unto you as unto spiritual,
but as unto carnal,
even as unto babes in Christ.
Theres that "age" thing again
He has, is still, and will be, as I see it
"They" receive a strong delusion because "they" rejected truth. You don't see the correlation to Hosea there?
Ofcourse I simply contrasted it against what was written to Timothy because you appear to be assuming I reject knowledge. Which scriptures have I posted that makes you think that?
I find it harder and harder to follow you the more you include in your responses. It seems like you're grabbing random scriptures and not tying anything together regarding the subject matter.
Point out which ones, can you be specific? On the subject of the babe I stay with that, on the subject of Moses I stay with that, on the subject of a mount I stay with that. If I call Jesus "the End" I stay with showing that and how it relates to what HE is the end of. If you talk about a powerful delusion I show you where I find one at in scripture. I dont like using my own words but His because they always justify you in your sayings not our own.
Grabbing random scriptures? I love this example of this very thing in Romans 10:1-21
Are these randomly picked verses ?
Heres the order (without his "interjections")
Paul "starts in"... Lev 18:5...
Then he turns to.... Duet 30:12-14
next he goes into... Isaiah 28:16
...he immediately turns to... Joel 2:32
... he returns back to.... Isaiah 52:7
....Then skips "up to".... Isaiah 53:1
.... he then "turns to".... Psalms 19:4
.... reaches "back into" .....Duet 32:21
..... and now he reaches further "up to".... Isaiah 65:1-2
Just to make a "single point". Those scriptures were pulled from all those books in that very small part in Romans (which is only 21 verses long) . 10 of those 21 verses came from 5 different books but they are not from the same chapters of those books. Only twice are 2 verses taken at one time the rest "is Paul" interjecting "between them" as if "reasoning" with others by using them (from everywhere).
Was it random? How do you determine random when you catch a glimpse of that?
We got to keep it shorter hubby is getting jealous Im on the puter to long and I cannot stand not answering so I'll need to back out of the thread if we have too much back and forth. I'm cant do that, nor is it fun, I cant believe I used to do this lol