I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

[lighthouse_hope]

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God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.
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Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered.
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1 Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
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2 Only flesh with its lifeblood still in it you shall not eat.
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For your own lifeblood, too, I will demand an accounting: from every animal I will demand it, and from man in regard to his fellow man I will demand an accounting for human life.
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If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; For in the image of God has man been made.
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Be fertile, then, and multiply; abound on earth and subdue it."
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God said to Noah and to his sons with him:
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"See, I am now establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you
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and with every living creature that was with you: all the birds, and the various tame and wild animals that were with you and came out of the ark.
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I will establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all bodily creatures be destroyed by the waters of a flood; there shall not be another flood to devastate the earth."
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God added: "This is the sign that I am giving for all ages to come, of the covenant between me and you and every living creature with you:
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I set my bow in the clouds to serve as a sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
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When I bring clouds over the earth, and the bow appears in the clouds,
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I will recall the covenant I have made between me and you and all living beings, so that the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all mortal beings.
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As the bow appears in the clouds, I will see it and recall the everlasting covenant that I have established between God and all living beings--all mortal creatures that are on earth."
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God told Noah: "This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all mortal creatures that are on earth."
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[lighthouse_hope]

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[Stryder06]

oh my! u never heard of the reign of grace,that started with jesus...look at the history..from Adam..that would be the garden.

Does this verse not say abolished for the christian,who died to the law,through the body of christ..please answer..

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,


No way,as far as 4 goes..if Jesus took on the wrath of the law,why reinstate it?

look here at this..what does this tell you?It is about the law

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

Incorrect. I've heard of the reign of grace. I just haven't read it in the bible. Did you even notice that your text says the law of commandments expressed in ordinances? What ordinances were in the ten?

And by what authority could Paul tear down anything unless it was already torn down by Christ? This is why your ideas about Paul are all messy.

 

[Stryder06]

it is the question,..would the spirit say were are bound to 613? yes or no?

Why didnt the spirit want the law for the galatians?

To all 613? No. To ten (for starters) yes

And when did the Spirit say He didn't want the law for the galatians? I recall you saying that but I didn't read that from the Spirit.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Incorrect. I've heard of the reign of grace. I just haven't read it in the bible.

Heres a "reign" of death

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Reigning in the life that now is is by grace (they which receive it)

Its passing from death unto life

 

[Stryder06]

Heres a "reign" of death

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Reigning in the life that now is is by grace (they which receive it)

Its passing from death unto life

Question, what about after Moses? Did death kinda take a break then?
I'm sorry, but I guess I'm the only one that sees grace coming in in Eden.

 

[lighthouse_hope]

I'd like to add something. I'm pretty fed up with baiting thread titles. If this was to mean a yet-another-thread on Sunday vs Saturday, it should have been shown in the title. Else, the only thing you are getting of me is making me defensive.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Question, what about after Moses? Did death kinda take a break then?
I'm sorry, but I guess I'm the only one that sees grace coming in in Eden.

Death that reigns typed in Adam (first/old man) to Moses (first covenant/ the law)

Adam was a figure of him who was 'to come" grace and truth come by Christ Jesus.

Did death take a break?

No we pass from death unto life

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.


Its still there

 

[Stryder06]

Death that reigns typed in Adam (first/old man) to Moses (first covenant/ the law)

Adam was a figure of him who was 'to come" grace and truth come by Christ Jesus.

Did death take a break?

No we pass from death unto life

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.


Its still there

Cool. So for us to pass from death to life, we need the Spirit of God and His grace right?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Cool. So for us to pass from death to life, we need the Spirit of God and His grace right?

The passing from death unto life is also shown in similitude form in the scriptures (the law and the prophets) prior yes.

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things


By faith we have access into the grace we now stand, the faith of Abel and those that died in faith onward is recorded.

Death reigning is connected to Adam and Moses (first man/first covenant)

Grace reigning in life through the faith of Christ is that shown in Abraham and its Isaac who is spoken of as the one born after the Spirit (Of Sarah) whereas the one born the ordinary way (Ishmeal) of Agar (see below) of which Paul confirms the two verses above. "Shadows, Similitudes, Allegories" speaking of spiritual truths in Christ

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

 

[Elder 111]

So tell us why doesn't you faith identifier show SDA? Others do. It is amazing that you would say you are proclaiming the truth while fibbing. So you don't keep the ten commandments either. Why are you pretending to do that which you do not do? And SDA folks wonder why more people don't accept their message. Could a contrubiting factor be their honesty and integrity?

bugkiller

I said that I am Christian. SDA are not Christians? Am I telling lies to say that I am? Do every one here say which denomination there are? Christian is christain.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I said that I am Christian. SDA are not Christians? Am I telling lies to say that I am? Do every one here say which denomination there are? Christian is christain.

That may be true. As Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are His." The Bible clearly says that all Christians are a body of believers indwelt by the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13). Romans 8:9 says, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His."

There are millions of professing Christians who "think" they have been justified, who think their sins are forgiven and that they are on their way to heaven, who show no evidence of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Many Christians are unthinkably horrified when a real sinner is suddenly discovered among the righteous. So we remain alone with our sin, living in lies and hypocrisy.

 

[MamaZ]

You both said the 10 commandments do not apply to Christians today. Yes? No? So is it wrong for a Christian to commit murder? Yes? No?

Well of course it is wrong. For it goes completely against the love we are to walk in. Even having an adulteress afair does. For love does not do things to people to hurt them for acts of unrighteousness

 

[MamaZ]

Says who? Mankind?

If God says do it on a certain day, ever think that perhaps He is testing our loyalty to Him?

Who are we to say what is and isn't important in the eyes of God. The simply fact that that same law is engraved in stone with the other nine, which we all agree are still in full force, should be proof enough that God considers it to be important.

It is His day after all.

He told the people of the OC about the sabbath day.. For this was His covenenat with them. Now with the New covenant it is Christ blood and being transformed by Gods Spirit. For it is God who causes us to walk His way.. It is not in day that the covenant stands. But in Christ and the freedom He gives us so that we do not have to be brought under bondage of the letter of the Law..

 

[bugkiller]

I said that I am Christian. SDA are not Christians? Am I telling lies to say that I am? Do every one here say which denomination there are? Christian is christain.

the faith identifiers are that. Why don't you use the SDA designator it identifies you as both. The christian designator does not, thus I and others feel you are fibbing. I think the reality is you really did not want others to know your belief system. There is a little problem for you though. And that is: if it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck it must be a duck. In other words and SDA can most generally be identified because of approach. I talk to SDA around the world through forums and my neighbor. You all say the same things to the point I have wondered if it is not detailed in some SOP manual - maybe a custom c&p source.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

To all 613? No. To ten (for starters) yes

And when did the Spirit say He didn't want the law for the galatians? I recall you saying that but I didn't read that from the Spirit.

here it it is..Why didnt the Spirit want it for the galatians.It was an important old cov law.The Spirit was among them.Gal 3.Why did Paul say no Sabbath? Here it is,the Jewish calendar.The judaizers were influencing them to be "lawkeepers".

Gal 4;10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

 

[Frogster]

the faith identifiers are that. Why don't you use the SDA designator it identifies you as both. The christian designator does not, thus I and other feel you are fibbing. I think the reality is you really did not want others to know your belief system. There is a little problem for you though. And that is: if it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck it must be a duck. In other words and SDA can most generally be identified because of approach. I talk to SDA ariound the world through forums and my neighbor. You all say the same things to the point I have wondered if it is not detailed in some SOP
manual - maybe a custom c&p source.

bugkiller

yep..lawkeepers,were called false brother and apostles in Gal 2,and 2 Corinthians.A false gospel,that brings people into bondage.

 

[Frogster]

Incorrect. I've heard of the reign of grace. I just haven't read it in the bible. Did you even notice that your text says the law of commandments expressed in ordinances? What ordinances were in the ten?

And by what authority could Paul tear down anything unless it was already torn down by Christ? This is why your ideas about Paul are all messy.

you prove my point..paul tore it down,after Jesus took it down,on the cross.That is where it says it was abolished,on the cross,eph 2:15.


And it was ALL WRITTEN,in the book of the law.Cursed is everyone who does not do "ALL IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW",the law was one,Gal 5:3.

As far as your statment goes.The 10 were also in the book.Moses wrote down everything.Exodus 24.

 

[Frogster]

To all 613? No. To ten (for starters) yes

And when did the Spirit say He didn't want the law for the galatians? I recall you saying that but I didn't read that from the Spirit.

so it sounds like you are breaking up the law.

it was one,they had to do it all..cursed if they did not do it all,circumcsision said do it all,gal 5;3..


Sooooo,would the Spirit have me walk under the mosaic system that the spirit did not want the Galatians walking under?..the law..

Thanks.

 

[bugkiller]

Incorrect. I've heard of the reign of grace. I just haven't read it in the bible. Did you even notice that your text says the law of commandments expressed in ordinances? What ordinances were in the ten?

And by what authority could Paul tear down anything unless it was already torn down by Christ? This is why your ideas about Paul are all messy.

I don't think there are any ordinances in the ten, they are the ordinance. How is thou shalt not... not an ordinance? How is thou shalt... not an ordinance? I guess I need you to tell me what an ordinance is. I always thought it was a law. I thought the ten commandments are the law. They are difinately spoken of in that manner in the NT.

bugkiller