Praying TO Saints

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If God provides protection through another, do you say thank-you to God and the other ?

This to me is where it would get tricky for I do not know where the line is between prayer and communication. I would have to say God and by thanking God , it would not allow the other to boast about helping me. This is definately a gray area though.
 
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I think (and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong) kenblaster means that if you think you need to ask saints to pray to God about you instead of praying to God directly that you are adding an unnecessary layer between yourself and The Lord.

Intercessory prayer is a time honored and God blessed activity.

Thank you for the support. There is a spirit that has gone out speaking lies so much it sounds like the truth. But when someone poses something different, that may be the truth, they think it must by a lie.
 
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Isn't it rather unsaintly to proclaim oneself a Saint over and over and demand that other people agree with you? Most the Saints I know of called themselves the first among sinners, unworthy servants, not worthy of the title saint,... they say they have "not yet begun to repent", .. etc...
 
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This to me is where it would get tricky for I do not know where the line is between prayer and communication. I would have to say God and by thanking God , it would not allow the other to boast about helping me. This is definately a gray area though.

When God blesses me, it is usually through another person. It is good to appreciate the vessel He uses, but foremost the glory must go to God.
 
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Isn't it rather unsaintly to proclaim oneself a saint over and over and demand that other people agree with you? Most the Saints I know of called themselves the first among sinners, unworthy servants, not worthy of the title saint,... they say they have "not yet begun to repent", .. etc...

It is the bible, the word of God, that calls me a saint. Yes, I may have been the worst of sinners, but who can bring an accusation against God's elect?
 
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Zechariah 3:1-4

1 And He showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And He answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
 
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This to me is where it would get tricky for I do not know where the line is between prayer and communication. I would have to say God and by thanking God , it would not allow the other to boast about helping me. This is definately a gray area though.

Paul acknowledged and complemented assistance given by others.
In so doing, we acknowledge our own weakness and insufficiency.
All that is good is from God, so I thank God and I thank others for actions done in Christ.
 
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Just to add, the Kingdom includes the angels, Saints . To ask the Saints is not to "skip God", but to ask help of those whose prayers are stronger, and also to affirm what God has willed - a kingdom. The body of Christ is not only Christ, but all in Him. Love does not permit us to ignore 'parts' of Christ. To acknowledge the body is to honor what God has willed, that the kingdom, the body, are community.
Bingo. :thumbsup:
 
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I think (and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong) kenblaster means that if you think you need to ask saints to pray to God about you instead of praying to God directly that you are adding an unnecessary layer between yourself and The Lord.

Intercessory prayer is a time honored and God blessed activity.
I get what you're saying, but we don't see it as that (obviously). The Saints' prayers to God for us are strong and righteous before God, and they are in addition to all the prayers of the saints on Earth who haven't finished the race yet as the Saints in heaven have. The more prayers for my family, the better...personally, you can never have too many people praying for you and your family....especially if you have a special needs child as I do. Good to see you, Mobiosity. :wave:
 
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I get what you're saying, but we don't see it as that (obviously). The Saints' prayers to God for us are strong and righteous before God, and they are in addition to all the prayers of the saints on Earth who haven't finished the race yet as the Saints in heaven have. The more prayers for my family, the better...personally, you can never have too many people praying for you and your family....especially if you have a special needs child as I do. Good to see you, Mobiosity. :wave:

I, too, have a special needs child - when his condition became acute (before he was diagnosed), and our entire family was deeply affected by this, I had little time to pray; our other 5 children were so pained by this, too. I prayed to God as much as I could, and asked the prayers of family, friends, the Theotokos and specific Saints. There was an entire monastery (of his Saint, in Israel) praying for us through the request of a Kombara. We had such prayer coverage, all hours in heaven and on earth -- it helped me not to despair, knowing that in terms of prayer, we were not only having my puny prayers.

glory be to God +
 
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I, too, have a special needs child - when his condition became acute (before he was diagnosed), and our entire family was deeply affected by this, I had little time to pray; our other 5 children were so pained by this, too. I prayed to God as much as I could, and asked the prayers of family, friends, the Theotokos and specific Saints. There was an entire monastery (of his Saint, in Israel) praying for us through the request of a Kombara. We had such prayer coverage, all hours in heaven and on earth -- it helped me not to despair, knowing that in terms of prayer, we were not only having my puny prayers.

glory be to God +
My prayers for your special child (and your whole family, Thekla, my friend). :hug: Yes, when you're confronted with such tragic and serious news, it's quite overwhelming, and the praying comes after the shock and disorientation has dissipated. I hadn't prayed to the Saints or the Theotokos at the time because I never had and didn't think to do so (also I didn't know how). I was a semi "convert" even though I was also a "cradle," but wasn't taught all this growing up. So, eventually a couple years ago when I got dire news on my son's MRI at the time, and husband was still in S. Korea doing a military unaccompanied tour, it was just me here, and I prayed, and the teachers at the school my boys went to prayed, my family prayed, there are monks praying for him like I mentioned, and all friends and family. Then I turned to the Theotokos and St. Nectarios and St. John the Wonderworker and I asked them to please pray to our God that my son's tumor not grow...that he be healed if it's in His Will. Within an hour, the heavy, grievous burden on my shoulders was lifted off, and my worries left. This had never happened before. So I totally believe in asking those righteous in heaven to pray. The next doc's appointment, the tumor hadn't grown but shrunk a bit, and the cyst it had produced had shrunk down as well, which it had never done before. Glory to God! Thank the Saints for their prayers!!
 
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My prayers for your special child (and your whole family, Thekla, my friend). :hug: Yes, when you're confronted with such tragic and serious news, it's quite overwhelming, and the praying comes after the shock and disorientation has dissipated. I hadn't prayed to the Saints or the Theotokos at the time because I never had and didn't think to do so (also I didn't know how). I was a semi "convert" even though I was also a "cradle," but wasn't taught all this growing up. So, eventually a couple years ago when I got dire news on my son's MRI at the time, and husband was still in S. Korea doing a military unaccompanied tour, it was just me here, and I prayed, and the teachers at the school my boys went to prayed, my family prayed, there are monks praying for him like I mentioned, and all friends and family. Then I turned to the Theotokos and St. Nectarios and St. John the Wonderworker and I asked them to please pray to our God that my son's tumor not grow...that he be healed if it's in His Will. Within an hour, the heavy, grievous burden on my shoulders was lifted off, and my worries left. This had never happened before. So I totally believe in asking those righteous in heaven to pray. The next doc's appointment, the tumor hadn't grown but shrunk a bit, and the cyst it had produced had shrunk down as well, which it had never done before. Glory to God! Thank the Saints for their prayers!!

Yes, exactly :hug:
Knowing that the Theotokos prayed, I too gained a strength I did not know I had ! In our case, we went from receiving inadequate care to getting an excellent treatment team from "blind appointments".

Wondrous is God in His Saints +
 
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Yes, exactly :hug:
Knowing that the Theotokos prayed, I too gained a strength I did not know I had ! In our case, we went from receiving inadequate care to getting an excellent treatment team from "blind appointments".

Wondrous is God in His Saints +
:amen: Glory to God in His Saints, yes!! :clap:
 
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. John the Wonderworker and I asked them to please pray to our God that my son's tumor not grow...that he be healed if it's in His Will. Within an hour, the heavy, grievous burden on my shoulders was lifted off, and my worries left. This had never happened before. So I totally believe in asking those righteous in heaven to pray. The next doc's appointment, the tumor hadn't grown but shrunk a bit, and the cyst it had produced had shrunk down as well, which it had never done before. Glory to God! Thank the Saints for their prayers!!

Thats awesome !:amen:
 
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I get what you're saying, but we don't see it as that (obviously). The Saints' prayers to God for us are strong and righteous before God, and they are in addition to all the prayers of the saints on Earth who haven't finished the race yet as the Saints in heaven have. The more prayers for my family, the better...personally, you can never have too many people praying for you and your family....especially if you have a special needs child as I do. Good to see you, Mobiosity. :wave:

I agree.

When my son was in the process of getting his diagnosis I spent hours on my knees praying to God every day. I was desperate. I started calling everyone I knew and begging them to pray. Asking for the intercessions of the Saints was a natural extension of that.

I truely believe that without the intercessions of the Theotokos I would have not been able to handle this.... at all.
 
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I agree.

When my son was in the process of getting his diagnosis I spent hours on my knees praying to God every day. I was desperate. I started calling everyone I knew and begging them to pray. Asking for the intercessions of the Saints was a natural extension of that.

I truely believe that without the intercessions of the Theotokos I would have not been able to handle this.... at all.
Exactly! The burdens and worries lift off me when the Saints pray for my son and my family. So true. It's like they take on our cares and worries in their prayers, and we are lifted from those feelings. God is great. :)
 
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I agree.

When my son was in the process of getting his diagnosis I spent hours on my knees praying to God every day. I was desperate. I started calling everyone I knew and begging them to pray. Asking for the intercessions of the Saints was a natural extension of that.

I truely believe that without the intercessions of the Theotokos I would have not been able to handle this.... at all.

Indeed :)
 
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Exactly! The burdens and worries lift off me when the Saints pray for my son and my family. So true. It's like they take on our cares and worries in their prayers, and we are lifted from those feelings. God is great. :)

I agree.

In our case, he will learn to cope better (God willing).... but he will likely never live on his own.

Praying to the Saints is like getting a big hug from my Mom and hearing that she'll take care of things for a couple of minutes while I rest.

As a note, St. John the Wonderworker prays for my son too. It was mentioned over at TAW that I should ask his intercessions and the very next day my godmother brought 2 icon cards and a little icon medallion for my son. I hadn't mentioned it, but for some reason she thought we needed it.
 
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