Christian Zionism - a modern-day heresy?

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Actually I agree with these scriptures and perhaps also with Summa, providing of course, that praying for and hasting the coming of the day of the Lord was just as applicable for Peter in His day as it is to me in my day right now. For I pray continually for His Coming, morning noon and night to come into me, more and more and more!
IN ME!
It is individual and personal. Not corporate planet wide, for sure not on this planet lol! (As zionists think). Big difference.

I pray for His coming into my earthen ME! And into those who Love His appearing whoever, wherever and WHENever they are.

But I do Not pray for any Zionist "endtime" dispensational planetetoid thing though, as though Jesus is going to come back to the planet and enter into that city Jerusalem over in the Middle East. That would be plain nonsense.

We know that place is going to be nuked for her whoredoms once and for all, for Jesus will most certainly carry out His vengeance in grand finality, of which A.D. 70 was only a PTA meeting lol.

Son of Israel

Like I stated...Praying for Jesus to come again is awesome!
Making a 3rd Temple because you want to "fulfill a prophecy" is just heresy.
If I misunderstood Summa I apologize.

 

[SummaScriptura]

I'm not taking it personally. I'm not offfended that people disagree with my view. To see good Christian people opposed to the modern Jewish state of Israel, demonstrates to me how easy it will be to see all nations turn against that nation. That, in fact, will be a greater catalyst toward causing the prophesies to accelerate toward realization.

Do I believe the current nation of Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy that God will gather his people and restore its fortunes? No. It is the fulfillment of the conditions needed to bring that about.

There is a lesser well-known regathering of Israel that I feel IS now being fulfilled.

Before the total, permanent regathering of Israel in mercy and in faith there is a partial, temporary regathering of Israel in wrath and in unbelief prophesied in Ezekiel 20:33-38. Its purpose is to repeat the process which was accomplished in the wilderness under Moses. Its purpose is to refine the nation, purge out the rebels and to renew the nation in faith.

After this the nation will ask for Jesus their Messiah to return as their deliverer.

 

[Zoness]

Evangelicals have this big kick about wanting the world to end, I just don't get it.

Heresy.

 

[Son of Israel]

I'm not taking it personally. I'm not offfended that people disagree with my view. To see good Christian people opposed to the modern Jewish state of Israel, demonstrates to me how easy it will be to see all nations turn against that nation. That, in fact, will be a greater catalyst toward causing the prophesies to accelerate toward realization.

Do I believe the current nation of Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy that God will gather his people and restore its fortunes? No. It is the fulfillment of the conditions needed to bring that about.

There is a lesser well-known regathering of Israel that I feel IS now being fulfilled.

Before the total, permanent regathering of Israel in mercy and in faith there is a partial, temporary regathering of Israel in wrath and in unbelief prophesied in Ezekiel 20:33-38. Its purpose is to repeat the process which was accomplished in the wilderness under Moses. Its purpose is to refine the nation, purge out the rebels and to renew the nation in faith.

After this the nation will ask for Jesus their Messiah to return as their deliverer.

That has all been fulfilled in Christ beginning 2000 years ago Summa.
To the true Israel Bride of Christ in the Gospel.
The Heavenly Jerusalem, the Mt Zion of the Church. Surely you are aware of that?
I was a Jew prior to being baptized into Christ. Those Jews who have received Christ are the fulfillment God made to the Jews in the O.T.
Perfectly and completely.
The present state of Israel has no good thing in store for it, that is a fact. For it is altogether antichrist and will never turn to Jesus as a whole. Only as scripture says,

(Jer 3:14) Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

Fulfilled...

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Any other interpretation is in serious error, both scripturally and Spiritually.

The only way Israel is saved is as has always been for 2000 years now, by the Gospel.
There is no such thing as an end time zionist revival of the natural nation of Israel.
The only reason it exists now is for Jesus to once again, as He did before to that widowed harlot abomination as He refers to her, to burn her with fire into utter destruction for being responsible for the shedding of the blood of all the Sons of God produced by the Heavenly Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb.

That is the Gospel.
It is the revealing of the Lord to His People.

(Amo 3:7) Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
,,,,,,,It is the revealing of the Lord to His People.

(Amo 3:7) Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Luke 2:32 A Light into a from-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations and glory of people of Thee Israel

Revelation 1:1 A-from-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to His bond-servants, which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness.
And He signifies commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John.

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[Frogster]

Luke 2:32 A Light into a from-covering/apo-kaluyin <602> of Nations and glory of people of Thee Israel

Revelation 1:1 A-from-covering/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to His bond-servants, which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness.
And He signifies commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bondservants of Him, John.

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Nothing new,just like in the days of Christ,they were all caught up with the wrong temple.What I ifnd strange is all these CZ's,all caught up with Israel.Israel is not caught up with Christ,but the wannabees are all caught up with Israel??

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Nothing new,just like in the days of Christ,they were all caught up with the wrong temple.What I ifnd strange is all these CZ's,all caught up with Israel.Israel is not caught up with Christ,but the wannabees are all caught up with Israel??

According to the poll so far, it looks like that is a fair statement......

 

[chrisnu]

I'm very reluctant to call something heresy, perhaps I don't have a good definition of it, but Christian Zionism is entirely wrong, and very dangerous. "Charities" who manipulate people into giving money to help out their "Jewish brethren" are going to be accountable to God.

 

[SummaScriptura]

I'm very reluctant to call something heresy, perhaps I don't have a good definition of it, but Christian Zionism is entirely wrong, and very dangerous. "Charities" who manipulate people into giving money to help out their "Jewish brethren" are going to be accountable to God.

Yes, giving, as we know, is a grave sin.

 

[Christos Anesti]

people opposed to the modern Jewish state of Israel, demonstrates to me how easy it will be to see all nations turn against that nation.

Just because a person doesn't consider the current state in Palestine to be the Israel of God doesn't necesarily mean they are opposed to the people who live there. I don't consider the United States to be the Biblical Israel either but I like it enough to live here.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Just because a person doesn't consider the current state in Palestine to be the Israel of God doesn't necesarily mean they are opposed to the people who live there. I don't consider the United States to be the Biblical Israel either but I like it enough to live here.

<snip>We know that place is going to be nuked for her whoredoms once and for all, for Jesus will most certainly carry out His vengeance in grand finality, of which A.D. 70 was only a PTA meeting lol.

Son of Israel

This certainly sounds like very lukewarm praise for the people who live there.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

A political ideology under the guise of a theology, in this sense just like the Islam it purports to oppose. Whether there are other reasons to support the modern state of Israel is, of course, a separate issue.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Son of Israel <snip>We know that place is going to be nuked for her whoredoms once and for all, for Jesus will most certainly carry out His vengeance in grand finality, of which A.D. 70 was only a PTA meeting lol.

Son of Israel

I and a lot of others view that event as the one showing in Revelation

Luke 19:44 and they shall be leveling/edafiousin <1474> (5692) Thee and the offspring of Thee in Thee.
And not they shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, stead which not thou knew the time of the visitation of Thee.
[Reve 14:16]

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".
[Jeremiah 51:8/Luke 19:44]

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[chrisnu]

Yes, giving, as we know, is a grave sin.

This is manipulating my words to say something I didn't.

 

[SummaScriptura]

A political ideology under the guise of a theology, in this sense just like the Islam it purports to oppose. Whether there are other reasons to support the modern state of Israel is, of course, a separate issue.

Moment by moment I discover new things about myself on this thread. First, I discovered I am a heretic because I choose to love the Jews and the Jewish homeland, Israel. Now I discover my motivations are political and not belief-based, that I am parading behind a guise of theology for a political ideology. I can only be glad I live in a democracy and I cannot be thrown in jail simply because my religious convictions are deemed political ideology, yet. If I'm ever in prison on this account, I'm sure many people on this list will be there to visit me.

Seriously, "those people are gonna get nuked, they've got it comin'", and "you're just like a Muslim hiding your political agenda", the histrionics on this thread are reaching new heights even for CF.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

I'm not taking it personally. I'm not offfended that people disagree with my view. To see good Christian people opposed to the modern Jewish state of Israel, demonstrates to me how easy it will be to see all nations turn against that nation. .

I wonder how many in the Israelie Government claim to be Jews, but are actually "atheist Jews" or non-practicing Jews. It sure doesn't appear to be an all "Jewish" state to me.....

That country is a hodgepodge of religions just as the US is.

Minority Communities

Pluralism and Segregation: As a multi-ethnic, multicultural, multi-religious, and multi-lingual society, Israel has a high level of informal segregation patterns. While groups are not separated by official policy, a number of different sectors within the society are somewhat segregated and maintain their strong cultural, religious, ideological, and/or ethnic identity.

 

[Mankin]

God is not going to be pressured by humans to bring forth the end times. He does it all in His time.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

The political state of Israel is no more important than Brooklyn in the grand scheme of things.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Christian Zionism - a modern-day heresy?

I'd be careful throwing around the word "heresy". Some folks think Calvin's view of Predestination and Preservation of the saints as heresy too. Just because you disagree with a viewpoint is not reason to say "heresy" - which can be an insulting term.

 

[Christos Anesti]

This certainly sounds like very lukewarm praise for the people who live there.

I'm not sure why you put my post next to one that calls for the nuking of Israel? As for my lack of proper praise for Israel. How exactly am I supposed to praise them?