The same that we do with people who will never accept that the earth is spheric.Fair enough, so.....what do we do with this group of folks who will never accept Evolution as fact.
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The same that we do with people who will never accept that the earth is spheric.Fair enough, so.....what do we do with this group of folks who will never accept Evolution as fact.
My cosmology does not account for the existence of the self or other. As I've progressed along my own spiritual path I've come to understand that the Four Noble Truths are something I can agree with (more or less--I would probably tweak 1 and 4 a bit).So far, and please correct me if I am wrong, the common thought is:
-Do what makes you happy as long as your pursuit of happiness does not interfere with another person's own pursuit for happiness.
-Help others in his/her own pursuit.....(finish sentence please)
Pretty close, I guess. "Interfere" is hard for me to quantify. Since I already know that not all of our worldviews are compatible, it would be impossible to say that you could live without interfering. I suppose my view is that you should try. Sometimes we succeed, sometimes we fail. But ultimately it's up to us to put forth that effort.To be happy, one must lend a hand for both individuals and society as a whole as long as one's own personal worldview does not interfere another's worldview. Is that close?
What if the person or society is doing everything possible to interfere into your own personal life? Do you still help just for the sake of mankind as a whole?
I'm not sure there's a "common" thought. You've basically restated my view, but I can't hold that anybody or everybody else agrees. As previously stated, the only thing atheists have in common is lack of belief in deities.So far, and please correct me if I am wrong, the common thought is:
-Do what makes you happy as long as your pursuit of happiness does not interfere with another person's own pursuit for happiness.
-Help others in his/her own pursuit.....(finish sentence please)
The same that we do with people who will never accept that the earth is spheric.
Pretty close, I guess. "Interfere" is hard for me to quantify. Since I already know that not all of our worldviews are compatible, it would be impossible to say that you could live without interfering. I suppose my view is that you should try. Sometimes we succeed, sometimes we fail. But ultimately it's up to us to put forth that effort.
I'm not sure there's a "common" thought. You've basically restated my view, but I can't hold that anybody or everybody else agrees. As previously stated, the only thing atheists have in common is lack of belief in deities.
My cosmology does not account for the existence of the self or other. As I've progressed along my own spiritual path I've come to understand that the Four Noble Truths are something I can agree with (more or less--I would probably tweak 1 and 4 a bit).
1. Life means suffering.
2. The origin of suffering is attachment.
3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.
4. The path to the cessation of suffering is the Eightfold Path.
Our parents..? How far back do you need to go?Where did we come from?
What went wrong with what?What went wrong?
Fix what?How do we fix it?
Family, friends, things I've experienced, things I read. My environment basically.Answer them on here if you want, but also think about what or who helped form your worldview.
As I said: evolution theory is the currently best explanation available.
Limited resources.
Fear.
Lack of education.
1. Abstain from fighting.
2. Getting access to our negative emotions in order not to be victim to them.
3. Education.
Our parents..? How far back do you need to go?
What went wrong with what?
Fix what?
Family, friends, things I've experienced, things I read. My environment basically.
If I'd been born in Somalia or Afghanistan I daresay my worldview would be quite different.
You were right the second time...affecting.How high up does geography rank on effecting (affecting? never could get that rule right in grammar) one's worldview?
I think you have the rule of grammar properly applied in this case.How high up does geography rank on effecting (affecting? never could get that rule right in grammar) one's worldview?
Is this becoming less and less a factor with the way communication is linking the world together as one and language barriers are being knocked down so everyone can now communicated with just about anyone anywhere?
But in order to do that, there would have to be irrefutable proof that evolution is the way things happened. There is a long list of secular scientists that compare Evolution to religion than to an actual science.
I can link some quotes and lists but all you have to do is Google it. I agree that the world is round because it has been proven. I believe the earth revolves around the sun because it has been proven. Evolution has not, therefore it is a belief and should be labeled a religion and not taught in schools. There are too many covering of the facts and altering the "scientific evidence by filing down jawbones and such (again, this can be Googled) for any proof to have any true scientific worth.
Extremely highly, the culture you grow up in is what affects you more than any other.JP said:How high up does geography rank on effecting (affecting? never could get that rule right in grammar) one's worldview?
All societies evolve over time, technology is the most important factor in pushing that change.Is this becoming less and less a factor with the way communication is linking the world together as one and language barriers are being knocked down so everyone can now communicated with just about anyone anywhere?
This really isn't the place to argue against evolutionary theory. It is perhaps the most solidly supported theory we have, much more so than our explanation of gravity for example. The vast majority (99+% of scientists who include Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, atheists, communists, black, white, Hispanic, contemporary Jazz fans, Ford vehicle owners etc...agree that TOE is the best explanation of the facts.But in order to do that, there would have to be irrefutable proof that evolution is the way things happened. There is a long list of secular scientists that compare Evolution to religion than to an actual science.
Is this really where you wanted to end up? Obviously one index that you are wrong is the entire academic culture of Western society. As far as most people are concerned including those who contribute to the various journals of hard sciences there is irrefutable proof.
"Covering of the facts" - you are saying that 21st global intellectual culture is distorting the concept of evolution? Every individual? All the institutions?
No, there wouldn´t have to be "in order to do that".But in order to do that, there would have to be irrefutable proof that evolution is the way things happened.
Is there such a long list? Present it.There is a long list of secular scientists that compare Evolution to religion than to an actual science.
You make the claim, you support it.I can link some quotes and lists but all you have to do is Google it.
Thanks for revealing essential elements of your worldview.I agree that the world is round because it has been proven. I believe the earth revolves around the sun because it has been proven.
Evolution has not, therefore it is a belief and should be labeled a religion and not taught in schools. There are too many covering of the facts and altering the "scientific evidence by filing down jawbones and such (again, this can be Googled) for any proof to have any true scientific worth.
I cannot speak for all atheists, but only for myself. I side with Hume and say that morality is little more than sentiment. Am I good? Maybe I'm just morally sentimental.Atheist have no sense of morality? Why not just take what you want then, kill those who stand in your way? What stops you....simple consequences for your actions (like jail time?)
So far I haven´t been in a situation where - on deeper consideration and in the long term effect - killing people who stood in my way would have promised to helped my goals and purposes. Maybe you and I have different goals and purposes?Atheist have no sense of morality? Why not just take what you want then, kill those who stand in your way?
I guess I am looking for a good reason to do something rather than for a good reason to stop me doing something that on top I haven´t even been considering as an option.What stops you....
Sure it´s the consequences (wherein jail time is not a consequence but an intentionally inflicted punishment. Big difference.).simple consequences for your actions (like jail time?)
1. The origin of man is from previous creatures. If you go back all the way to the beginning of measurable history, the answer is "I don't know". Lots of religions claim to answer that, but many of them disagree with each other. We can make guesses about what happened, or we can admit we don't know and continue revealing more and more about our universe.Here is what I see from the answers. Everyone, Christian and otherwise, think being an individual is the most important aspect of life at all times. Anytime, someone makes the claim that the individual is NOT really much different than anyone else, the defensive side lashes back.
My three questions deal with your core beliefs of the following:
1: origin of man (I do not want to argue evolution, the science)
2: reasons for the evil or hate crimes and thoughts in the world
3: what needs to be done so everyone can live peaceably.
I am not trying to catch anyone, so just chill out and let's have a discussion so I can learn what makes the atheist and other secular mind frames tick.
I mean, even atheist have morality, right?
If humans knew right from wrong, then they'd all agree and we wouldn't any problems. Human morality is just as subjective as those of animals. Some things you probably find right, I find very wrong. Some things I find right, you probably find very wrong. So no, humans don't know "right" from "wrong" because those are subjective terms.Animals do not know right and wrong, but humans do. Where did this come from....society?speech? Is it just a learned trait, like rubbing a dog's nose in its own urine after a carpet accident?
That sounds good. I don't think that needs anything to finish it.So far, and please correct me if I am wrong, the common thought is:
-Do what makes you happy as long as your pursuit of happiness does not interfere with another person's own pursuit for happiness.
-Help others in his/her own pursuit.....(finish sentence please)
What he posted were the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, followed by a few hundred million people worldwide. It's somewhat worthwhile to look into.Wow, never heard that before. I will have to do some study before I can even respond intelligently to this post.
1: origin of man
2: reasons for the evil or hate crimes and thoughts in the world
3: what needs to be done so everyone can live peaceably.