Is Resident Obama a Fraud?

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Honor. I really appreciate your zeal to want to correct the wrongs of the past, before I became and Adventists I was steeped in the "tax protester" movement, i.e. the Patriot Movement and here is what I found.

No matter what we do, as long as we play any portion of the game with their "monopoly money" we , whether we know it or admit it, acknowledge being a "corporation" with in their game. It is a vicious cycle.

I gotta go and I'm in a rush but I'll tell you about a guy I know that was a "tax protester" 25 years ago and where is is at now. God bless.

Hey RND, I am still interested in this story about your friend and the Patirot movement. I too am familiar with this movement and to be sure it has it's share of nuts and flakes, but I do believe the premise is spot on.
 
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What you are over-looking is that every single bill Hussein signs or any action he takes is null and void if he is NOT the rightful president of the USA. This issue, as I said, especially for me, is NOT about race, it goes far deeper than that silly nonsense, it strikes at the very heart of our Constitution and the security of our nation.

What does having British citizenship at birth have to do with whether or not Obama is a natural-born citizen of the U.S.? Please answer.

Where is your basis for questioning his birthplace and what is your reason why?

Did you question the birthplace of Bush, Clinton or Reagan?


--I am still waiting for your response to my question about this comment you made earlier in this thread... I asked you to prove this statement and so far you have not. Did you mean "HAD" practiced Islam, then repented and accepted Christ as their Saviour? Or who are still practicing Islam and for what ever reason you deem reasonable will be accepted into eternal life?
Let's go to the Word. Please remember that this has nothing to do with you or me but God alone.

Romans 2:11-16 For there is no respect of persons with God.For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

There are those who may not have the "whole truth" but believe and practice the little that they know. God speaks to us through our consciences, and for those who heed Him, He will recognize them in the judgment.

Think of people who cannot read due to a lack of formal education but hear and believe. Some may never be profess Christianity in this world, but they accept what is shown to them. The same goes for some who may be Muslim, Hindu etc. We are to live by the light that we have. The "light" that you or I may receive may be a greater or lesser degree that someone else. God will determine whether we have truly accepted Him, as much as He is revealed to us.
 
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Obama Birth Certificate Petition
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Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com
 
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LOL@ the Illuminatti. It is far more than "diplomatic etiquette" with the Pope.
Actually... its not. In the etiquette scale of things, the Pope outranks Presidents, just as emperors outrank kings and presidents outrank primeministers.

If there was really anything nefarious about these meetings, you think they'd take place in front of photographers?
 
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Actually... its not. In the etiquette scale of things, the Pope outranks Presidents, just as emperors outrank kings and presidents outrank primeministers.

If there was really anything nefarious about these meetings, you think they'd take place in front of photographers?

WHY? Who is he that he should outrank them?
 
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WHY? Who is he that he should outrank them?
Its just a tradition. But I guess the idea behind it is that he speaks for the largest single grouping of people on the planet, not to mention he's a head of state in his own right. But really there is no more inherent meaning in a head of state bowing to the Pope than there is in a bride wearing white. Its just the done thing.
 
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Its just a tradition. But I guess the idea behind it is that he speaks for the largest single grouping of people on the planet, not to mention he's a head of state in his own right. But really there is no more inherent meaning in a head of state bowing to the Pope than there is in a bride wearing white. Its just the done thing.

There are reasons behind tradition, including the bride wearing white. It is not just the done thing. Many people bow to him because they consider him to be the "vicar of christ," consciously and maybe even subconsciously. That is problematic.
 
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Could you tell me specific "near and dear" things of yours have been destroyed?

Hi EPII-nice to meet you.

What I meant by that comment is that for several decades now, our personal freedoms, our God given rights of 'life, liberty and the right to own property' have been methodically taken away. These are the things that we as Americans have held 'near and dear'.

Thanks for asking :)
 
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Hi EPII-nice to meet you.

What I meant by that comment is that for several decades now, our personal freedoms, our God given rights of 'life, liberty and the right to own property' have been methodically taken away. These are the things that we as Americans have held 'near and dear'.

Thanks for asking :)

Thanks for answering, and nice to meet you too.

Could you please be a little more specific? Could you give me an example or two of a specific right to life, liberty and/or right to own property you've lost yourself?
 
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There are reasons behind tradition, including the bride wearing white. It is not just the done thing. Many people bow to him because they consider him to be the "vicar of christ," consciously and maybe even subconsciously. That is problematic.
Would love to hear what reason other than tradition most brides wear white. Do go on?
 
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Thanks for answering, and nice to meet you too.

Could you please be a little more specific? Could you give me an example or two of a specific right to life, liberty and/or right to own property you've lost yourself?

Sure-On 'liberty', had two family members falsely incarcerated from a crime they did not commit (and because of this, have met several other families who are suffering the same fate).

Own property- TAXES! When the government taxes your home, land, cars, etc. you no longer own them--but are actually 'renting' them from the government, even though you bought and paid for them. Some raw deal huh?

On 'right to life', haven't been killed by Big brother--yet! But how many other innocent ppl have--only God knows the answer to that. But maybe if one goes to the Innocence project web site, they may have those innocents killed by the state listed. I know they have those who's liberty has been taken unlawfully by the government there.
 
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Every example quoted in the article went against God's commands (although the incident with Moses is debatable). You pretty much just proved my point.

My concern is that it looks like you've already condemned Obama with almost no proof of wrongdoing on your side. If he's found out to be a liar about his past, then full steam ahead. But this is simply speculation, not hard facts. Furthermore, you're denying his official position based on that speculation. It's totally unjust to condemn him because people simply suspect that he was not born in the US.

Xenon--think about it--if Obama is lying about his place of birth--isn't that a form of bearing false witness? He is DEFRAUDING the American ppl. Then add to that--that Obama is a 32 degree Freemason--you we now that THEY know who they are really worshipping at that level!
 
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