Pope, King of the world?

[HisWordisTruth7]

Wow, I put your sentence in a search...Man some of that stuff is blasphemous. No wonder God stirred up Luther..

The title "Lord God the Pope" - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

 

[Uphill Battle]

It is customary to provide solid evidence rather than hearsay when you are making accusations against people. If you are unable to do that, then I'd suggest you refrain from spreading calumny.

kindly back up every single Holy Tradition out there then, that is supposedly based in scripture.

oh, darn..... (and don't give me documents written by the selfsame church that claims it. that is hearsay.)

 

[Trento]

Its been given and confirmed by the vatican library shown in a post by DD2008

Here you go again...
The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII Cum. Inter, tit XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685

And here you go again.
Pope John XXII was soundly and successfully rebuked by the lay masses. If the need arises the layity can arbitrate doctrine ect. Just as the Spirit infallibly guides the magisterium so that it doesn't propose teachings that would lead the whole Church into error, so there is a flip side to the infallibility coin: The faithful, as a whole, have an instinct or "sense" about when a teaching is—or is not—in harmony with the true faith.
The same Spirit actively infusing His Will in the minds of the whole Faithful is also actively protecting the teaching Church, the Magisterium, how to interpret the will of the Faithful which is called sensus fidelium sense of the faithful.

 

[Uphill Battle]

nevermind the dramatic inconsistancy of that, of course, Trento. Another "out" for the RCC.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Wow, I put your sentence in a search...Man some of that stuff is blasphemous.......

....blasphemous in your opinion. Other people have other opinions.

As for Luther, he was certainly stirred up, but you have no factual evidence that God was the one doing the stirring. Again, you have your opinion.

 

[Rick Otto]

Other people have other opinions..

& some other people have the same opinion.

 

[simonthezealot]

Wow, I put your sentence in a search...Man some of that stuff is blasphemous. No wonder God stirred up Luther..

The title "Lord God the Pope" - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

You should read boniface from the 11th and 12th century...There was a person at the height of self imposed authority.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

You should read boniface from the 11th and 12th century...There was a person at the height of self imposed authority.

Couldn't we say that a Pope is given authority?

Also, I tend to think that if we are going to cast dispersions then we could say Martin Luther and Calvin were "self imposed" authorities because they made they made themselves the authority of scripture and determining what Christianity should be.

But this is pointless to even go here since we have drifted from facts and theological discussion towards something that is more personal and opinionated.

I think it has been shown that no Pope ever made the claim that they are God or King of the Earth. You have provided some questionable quotes from writings and none of which are from a Pope and are arguably conclusive of anything but mistranslations or an over zealous Catholic.

So, how is this thread helping anyone with Theology?

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

You should read boniface from the 11th and 12th century...There was a person at the height of self imposed authority.

The Pope's authority is Christ-imposed, not self-imposed.

This is in stark contrast to people in this forum who set themselves up as their own personal authority on Scripture matters.

Perhaps this thread would be more acurately entitled, "Selected CF Members, Kings of the World"

 

[Uphill Battle]

you ever answer your PM's, Jack?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Np............

 

[spiritman]

It is customary to provide solid evidence rather than hearsay when you are making accusations against people. If you are unable to do that, then I'd suggest you refrain from spreading calumny.

You mean like the solid evidence you provide?
I have provided evidence which you rejected.

You have made accusations without any supporting evidence and you're asking me to provide evidence which I have already done. And now you want me to answer your question and you won't answer mine.


I'll state it again since you again ignored my questions.


I'll be happy to provide you with many links after you answer my questions from a previous post.

I love answering questions and providing information that can benefit you. But you must first also give me your word that you will read completely each link I provide.

 

[spiritman]

It is customary to provide solid evidence rather than hearsay when you are making accusations against people. If you are unable to do that, then I'd suggest you refrain from spreading calumny.

You mean like the solid evidence you provide?
I have provided evidence which you rejected.

You have made accusations without any supporting evidence and you're asking me to provide evidence which I have already done. And now you want me to answer your question and you won't answer mine.


I'll state it again since you again ignored my questions.


I'll be happy to provide you with many links after you answer my questions from a previous post.

I love answering questions and providing information that can benefit you. But you must first also give me your word that you will read completely each link I provide.

 

[a.d.ivNonasNovembres]

82 pages and counting... oh my...

 

[simonthezealot]

Couldn't we say that a Pope is given authority?

Also, I tend to think that if we are going to cast dispersions then we could say Martin Luther and Calvin were "self imposed" authorities because they made they made themselves the authority of scripture and determining what Christianity should be.

But this is pointless to even go here since we have drifted from facts and theological discussion towards something that is more personal and opinionated.

I think it has been shown that no Pope ever made the claim that they are God or King of the Earth. You have provided some questionable quotes from writings and none of which are from a Pope and are arguably conclusive of anything but mistranslations or an over zealous Catholic.

So, how is this thread helping anyone with Theology?

It has been shown they in fact accepted the title "RULER OF THE WORLD" and demand "SUBJECTION TO THEM" as a requirement of salvation... imo that is not any different...How can it be?

it is helping people with their theology in that they can clearly see that the see at rome is fallible and people should therefore avoid it and instead seek the face of God by placing His word in their heart...

 

[spiritman]

Amen!

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It has been shown they in fact accepted the title "RULER OF THE WORLD" and demand "SUBJECTION TO THEM" as a requirement of salvation... imo that is not any different...How can it be?

it is helping people with their theology in that they can clearly see that the see at rome is fallible and people should therefore avoid it and instead seek the face of God by placing His word in their heart...

Theologically speaking this has been explained and the explanation is both logical and scriptural. The explanation has to do with the Pope being the Steward to Jesus' kingdom and so the Pope is ruling while Jesus is away. TThere has even been provided an explanation that relates to the Steward in the Lord of the Rings who acted with the authority of the King until the king's return. So until Jesus returns to judge the living and the dead the Catholic Church believes the Pope is in charge. Theologically this is the answer and it in no way says the Pope is the King of the World or God.

 

[simonthezealot]

Theologically speaking this has been explained and the explanation is both logical and scriptural.

Show me how subjection to a sinful man is scriptural and necessary for salvation...You can't! it is OUTRIGHT UNscriptural and blasphemy.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Show me how subjection to a sinful man is scriptural and necessary for salvation...You can't! it is OUTRIGHT UNscriptural and blasphemy.

I think Moses or Abraham are pretty good examples. Neither man was empecible. Moses actually disobeyed God with the rod and bringing forth water. Both men had original sin and other sins. They were sinful and yet they were the Authority with others subject to their decisions. This is but two men from scripture that show it is scriptural and so not blasphemous.

 

[simonthezealot]

I think Moses or Abraham are pretty good examples. Neither man was empecible. Moses actually disobeyed God with the rod and bringing forth water. Both men had original sin and other sins. They were sinful and yet they were the Authority with others subject to their decisions. This is but two men from scripture that show it is scriptural and so not blasphemous.

Show me where it is NECESSARY to be subject to these men...