Pope, King of the world?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Of course they continue to teach it. Did you miss the recent pic of priests prostrated before the pope?

The Muslims do the same thing when facing toward Mecca [I can't put the link up]

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"​

GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.​

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: "To believe that our Lord God the
Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

Has this been repealed or condemned by the catholic church?

Please link us to the canon law that says that.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Of course they continue to teach it. Did you miss the recent pic of priests prostrated before the pope?

Typical. You don't even know what you're looking at.
They are prostrated before the bones of Peter that lie beneath the High Altar. Heck, even National Geographic knows that much - they reported it on one of the specials.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Typical. You don't even know what you're looking at.
They are prostrated before the bones of Peter that lie beneath the High Altar. Heck, even National Geographic knows that much - they reported it on one of the specials.

That is just as bad!!!!

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

The True Church never makes mistakes so it never has to change......

I gueass that leaves you guys out.

 

[spiritman]

Please link us to the canon law that says that.

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope&#8221 can be found in column 153).

Do you want me to do all the work for you? You should have a desire to know the truth and seek it out.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well back to the original OP

"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope”) can be found in column 153).

"Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"[Pope] PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928.[/FONT]

 

[Rick Otto]

Please link us to the canon law that says that.

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.


-I?i the Gloss "Extravagantes" o.f Pope John XXII Cum inter, Tit. XIV, Cap. IV. Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685.

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto

The True Church never makes mistakes so it never has to change......
​

I gueass that leaves you guys out.

Amen. Glory, hallelujah. I was born RC, but I escaped.
I also escaped the churchianity in Protestantism and saw how RC it had become as I left.

It may not to be late for you, God willing.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope&#8221 can be found in column 153).

"Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"[Pope] PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928.[/FONT]

Rick,

so you have resorted to C&P. I am surprised.

I do not think Simon would have posted most of them since I believe many have been soundly refuted and that is just from a glance.

Shall we take the time to address them one by one?

I am sure you will find many falsehoods here and erroneous transaltions from Latin.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Please guys let us address the posts and not get personal.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Please guys let us address the posts and not get personal.

I agree

Originally Posted by Tu Es Petrus

I gueass that leaves you guys out.
​

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope&#8221 can be found in column 153).

Do you want me to do all the work for you? You should have a desire to know the truth and seek it out.

No. You mentioned canon law.

And I want a link please. I have personally seen Catholic documents posted on protestant websites that have been tampered with.
Link please.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Rick,

You got a link?

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.


-I?i the Gloss "Extravagantes" o.f Pope John XXII Cum inter, Tit. XIV, Cap. IV. Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685.

I want a link. A LINK.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I agree

Originally Posted by Tu Es Petrus

I gueass that leaves you guys out.
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LLoJ you are good at keeping it form getting personal.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I want a link. A LINK.

I found this on a google search but can't understand it

http://www.llmc.com/Title.asp?ColID=7&Cat=391&TID=3028&TName=Catholic%20Church,%20Pope%20John%20XXII%20%E2%80%94%20Extravagantes

Title:Catholic Church, Pope John XXII — Extravagantes
Author:Catholic Church, Pope John XXII
Description

Extravagantes tvm viginti Ioannis Vicesimisecvndi, tvm commvnes cvm glossis et epitomis assuetis, et recognitae, et emendatae, quibus praeter ea, quae prior editio continebat cuiusdam iureconsulti parisiensis viri sane quam docti, et in supremo parisioram {sic} senatu causarum patroni experientissimi nonnullae decisiuae, additiones, quae antea requirebantur, accesserunt: 14+262p, Lugduni, apud Hugo-nem a Porta and Antonium Vincentium, 1558. (In double columns. Text surrounded by commentary of Zenzelinus de Cassanis. Includes also Vita Ioan. XXII, ex Platina Bergomensi ad verbus, pp. 126–9. Subjects: Canon law; Pope John XXII)FicheHoldings:Vol. 1-35FicheNotes:Available on 3 24x ficheLLMC Title #:87208

 

[Uphill Battle]

I want a link. A LINK.

I've noticed that alot of this stuff doesn't come with a ready-made internet link. I've read stuff in books that I can't for the life of me find online.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I found this on a google search but can't understand it

http://www.llmc.com/Title.asp?ColID...tholic Church, Pope John XXII — Extravagantes

Title:Catholic Church, Pope John XXII — ExtravagantesAuthor:Catholic Church, Pope John XXII Description

Extravagantes tvm viginti Ioannis Vicesimisecvndi, tvm commvnes cvm glossis et epitomis assuetis, et recognitae, et emendatae, quibus praeter ea, quae prior editio continebat cuiusdam iureconsulti parisiensis viri sane quam docti, et in supremo parisioram {sic} senatu causarum patroni experientissimi nonnullae decisiuae, additiones, quae antea requirebantur, accesserunt: 14+262p, Lugduni, apud Hugo-nem a Porta and Antonium Vincentium, 1558. (In double columns. Text surrounded by commentary of Zenzelinus de Cassanis. Includes also Vita Ioan. XXII, ex Platina Bergomensi ad verbus, pp. 126–9. Subjects: Canon law; Pope John XXII)FicheHoldings:Vol. 1-35FicheNotes:Available on 3 24x ficheLLMC Title #:87208

Thanks!

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I've noticed that alot of this stuff doesn't come with a ready-made internet link. I've read stuff in books that I can't for the life of me find online.

UB you are a great source of info here and I am sure that in your time you have come to understand the site and it's rules better than myself.

But for the others:

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http://christianforums.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rule_0

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