Pope, King of the world?

[Tu Es Petrus]

Why not look at my posts...

I do. You post pretty good posts. I don't agree with them, but at least they are not mean-spirited.

....Who do the RCs believe is the one that "exalts" himself above every God?

I don't know. The Antichrist I guess.

But not the pope, thats for sure.

 

[simonthezealot]

The inference is that the pope, who this thread is about, exalteth himself and is worshipped.

Yep this is most certainly done.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I do. You post pretty good posts. I don't agree with them, but at least they are not mean-spirited.


I don't know. The Antichrist I guess.

But not the pope, thats for sure.

Why don't you know

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Catholic teaching has taught that he is able to alter divine law Jack...No one ever said he was considered god, though their teaching says he can mess with divine law that puts him in the seat of God which is total and utter blasphemy.

"Alter"

Seems this word can be used in a way that I would agree with and yet it could also be used in a way that I would deny.

The Pope being the holder of the Keys is the final authority in the teahcings of the Church until Jesus returns to judge us all. This is sound Catholic doctrine. The Catholic Church recognizes the authority of the Pope and the Magisterium as given by Jesus and knows that they will protect the Truth. When Truths are defined or declared as a must then I know the Church has been guided by God's hand and that as Chrsitians we must submit to God in this way.

If we look at any of the Catholic teachings we see they are rooted in Apostolic teachings and they have been tested.

In this way I see "alter" as being needed when teachings like Theotokos are needed to keep the sheep safe. After all Jesus has empowered the Pope and Magisterium to be Shephards of His sheep.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Why not look at my posts. Who do the RCs believe is the one that "exalts" himself above every God?

Every God?

God is above all other gods. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In this way I see "alter" as being needed when teachings like Theotokos are needed to keep the sheep safe. After all Jesus has empowered the Pope and Magisterium to be Shephards of His sheep

Can anyone say "broken record"

2 Thess 2:11 and because of this is sending them, the God, an in-working of-deception/error/planhV <4106>, into the to believe them to the Falsehood

Textus Rec.) 2 Thessalonians 2:11 kai dia touto pemyei autoiV o qeoV energeian planhV eiV to pisteusai autouV tw yeudei

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Yep this is most certainly done.

Good grief. Make up your mind. First you said:
Who said he was god or above God? there you go changing things to a position you can defend.

And now you say:
Yep this is most certainly done.

No wonder nobody seems to take you seriously.

And, if "this is most certainly done", then tell us all who does it

 

[Trento]

BACK TO THE THREAD TOPIC...

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Ananus son of Ananus, seizing power after the death of Festus and before another Roman governor took command, orders James the brother of Jesus killed.
To condemn an apostle appointed by God to death, is to "proclaim himself to be God" (2nd Thess 2:4). Having been the high priest and then the supreme commander of Jerusalem does "set himself up in God's temple." The defiant command of Ananus resulted in the armies of Rome coming to Jerusalem, which Jesus referred to as the "abomination of desecration" (Mat 24:15-16 cf Luke 21:20-21). Instead of submitting to the civil authorities as the apostles taught, Ananus became the very recalcitrant that Scripture offeres as a defining characteristic of the antichrist.

 

[&Abel]

I disagree.

well put your money where your mouth is and show us him specifically teaching of world peace

the current pope is also PUSHING for globalization

 

[Rick Otto]

Catholic teaching has taught that he is able to alter divine law Jack...No one ever said he was considered god, though their teaching says he can mess with divine law that puts him in the seat of God which is total and utter blasphemy.

"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope”) can be found in column 153).

"Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "[Pope] PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928.[/FONT]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Every God?

God is above all other gods. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

That is what Dan 11:36 appears to imply.......

Dan 11:36 And He does as acceptable of Him, the King, and He shall exalt Himself and He shall magnify Himself over every of God/0410 'El and on God/'El of gods/'El He shall speak marvelous things, and He causes to prosper untill Concluding of Menace/za`am that One being decided She is Finished.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Why don't you know

Because frankly the whole antichrist thing has never interested me much. When he comes, he comes. He has nothing to do with my daily walk in Christ and trying to be Christ to others. My only concern is giving an account for myself when I stand before God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Np.........

 

[simonthezealot]

Good grief. Make up your mind. First you said:
Who said he was god or above God? there you go changing things to a position you can defend.

And now you say:
Yep this is most certainly done.

No wonder nobody seems to take you seriously.

And, if "this is most certainly done", then tell us all who does it

Rick clarified that your church does in fact teach that the pope is as god on earth...So there.

 

[simonthezealot]

I must confess i am a little out of it today...
Yes your authorised catholic dictionary did in fact say that!

 

[spiritman]

These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: "To believe that our Lord God the
Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

Has this been repealed or condemned by the catholic church?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Tu Es Petrus Because frankly the whole antichrist thing has never interested me much. When he comes, he comes. He has nothing to do with my daily walk in Christ and trying to be Christ to others. My only concern is giving an account for myself when I stand before God.

Then how can you refute others concerning "him" if you and your Denomination have no interest in learning about "him".

I mean isn't that the one mentioned in Reve 13?

Dan 11:36 And He does as acceptable of Him, the King, and He shall exalt Himself and He shall magnify Himself over every of God/0410 'El and on God/'El of gods/'El He shall speak marvelous things, and He causes to prosper untill Concluding of Menace/za`am that one being decided she is finished.

Reve 13:6 And opens the mouth of it into blasphemy toward the God to blaspheme the name of Him and the booth of Him *and of the ones in the heaven boothing.

 

[Rick Otto]

Has this been repealed or condemned by the catholic church?

The True Church never makes mistakes so it never has to change.
Makes apologizing unnecessary, too.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There were posts previously saying that a Pope was considered God to be a Catholic teaching. At least that is what I recall.

The RCC may not teach that but it seems like others here have brought proof of past popes claiming it from what I have seen.

"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (&#8220;Our Lord God the Pope&#8221 can be found in column 153).

"Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"[Pope] PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928.[/FONT]

 

[spiritman]

The RCC may not teach that but it seems like others here have brought proof of past popes claiming it from what I have seen.

Of course they continue to teach it. Did you miss the recent pic of priests prostrated before the pope?