Liberal Christianity Will Destroy the United States and then the World

[Archivist]

They STILL require a Yes or No.

Anyone can attempt to prove a false premise by requiring that answers be limited to yes or no as you are trying to do here. The most famous example of such a question is "yes or no, did you stop beating your wife." However, limiting answers to yes or no does not provide a truthful answer. Very few things in life are black or white; most are varying shades of gray.

 

[Zaac]

Anyone can attempt to prove a false premise by requiring that answers be limited to yes or no as you are trying to do here. The most famous example of such a question is "yes or no, did you stop beating your wife." However, limiting answers to yes or no does not provide a truthful answer. Very few things in life are black or white; most are varying shades of gray.

Have you answered YES or No to the questions?

 

[Jessica Lauren]

The QUESTIONS are not black or white. So how should someone answer them yes or no?

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

They STILL require a Yes or No.

Really Zaac, that is all that you have to say to my long post. Really?

Originally Posted by Archivist

Anyone can attempt to prove a false premise by requiring that answers be limited to yes or no as you are trying to do here. The most famous example of such a question is "yes or no, did you stop beating your wife." However, limiting answers to yes or no does not provide a truthful answer. Very few things in life are black or white; most are varying shades of gray.
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Have you answered YES or No to the questions?

Ok, I will answer yes or no to the question proposed.

Yes, I have stopped beating my wife. Of course I am not married nor have I ever hit my fiance, but yes, I stopped beating my wife.

 

[Zaac]

The QUESTIONS are not black or white. So how should someone answer them yes or no?

Sure they are.

 

[Zaac]

Really Zaac, that is all that you have to say to my long post. Really?

Yep.

Ok, I will answer yes or no to the question proposed.

Yes, I have stopped beating my wife. Of course I am not married nor have I ever hit my fiance, but yes, I stopped beating my wife.

That wasn't one of the questions.

 

[LogosRhema]

17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

The more I read the responses of liberal Christians on this board and throughout the country, the more I realize that satan doesn't have to do a thing to lead people to hell. Liberal Christians have usurped his job.

Under the guise of tolerance and fairness, Liberal Christians continue to stand for nothing of Christ, while tacitly and often times blatantly endorsing sin.

Here's an idea of a lifetime, fundy or liberal, we need a balance as both too left or too right is disastrous. I can think of quite a few fundies that hurt the cause of Christ more than help it!

 

[Jase]

This is clearly just a troll post by Zaac, as it's obvious he has no interest in actual discussion. I suggest the mods please close this thread, as it has no productive value other than to further enlarge Zaac's already immensive ego.

 

[Zaac]

This is hilariously sad. And just serves to reinforce the point of the OP. Those of you who have identified as liberal or liberal Christians can't stand on anything of God's Word without trying to work on your own conditions.

That's why the liberal Christian perspective does nothing but author confusion that is not of God. God says something and you all think it is conditioned upon what you think.

Yep. As I said in the OP, the devil need not do anything. Liberal Christianity which absolutely stands for NOTHING has opened the door to justify any and every sin.

 

[Zaac]

This is clearly just a troll post by Zaac, as it's obvious he has no interest in actual discussion. I suggest the mods please close this thread, as it has no productive value other than to further enlarge Zaac's already immensive ego.

Hilarious. Just proves that you liberals want to be god. Can't answer Yes or No without trying to add your own terms.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

Oh why not. I'll answer your quiz. Don't expect simple "yes" or "no" answers, because the world isn't black and white.

For example: Suicide is a sin. No one has greater love than one "who lays down their life for their friends", and all the law is fulfilled in "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

What about the soldier who jumps on a grenade to save the lives of those in his squad? It was an act of suicide, so according to our first statement, it was a sin. But he was also acting in the spirit of all the law, so it could not be a sin. See the problem?

Is the Bible God's written Word?

- Technically Yes. The original texts are, but it has been translated by men, and as such translations are not fully reliable.

Is the Bible absolute truth?

- Depends on what it deals with. See above. I maintain the original texts of the Bible dealing with moral issues are absolute truth, but it is not a science textbook, because it can be impossible to determine what is metaphor and what is fact if one assumes it to be a science textbook. I can make a Scriptural case for a flat earth that is orbited by the Sun, using no less than 14 verses.

Is murder via abortion a sin?

That's a loaded question if I ever saw one. Yes, I believe abortion to be a sin. However, I also think outlawing would not work, and studies have shown that to be the case.

Is God ordained marriage between one man and one woman?

No. The original texts of the Bible don't say it is.

Is it sexually immoral to have sex outside of God ordained marriage?

Yes, see above.

Is it okay for unmarried couples to live together?

Yes, as long as they aren't having sex.

Is Jesus Christ the only way to God?

- Yes, although this only applies to the time after his death on the cross and later resurrection. It's difficult to say which aspect of God people like Moses, Abraham, and other OT figures had conversation with. They might have been in direct conversation with the Father.

Will everyone be saved or will some go to hell?

The funny thing is, this isn't a simple "Yes" or "No" question. I maintain that God will redeem all. The method of that remains to be seen.

 

[Zaac]

Oh why not. I'll answer your quiz. Don't expect simple "yes" or "no" answers, because the world isn't black and white.

For example: Suicide is a sin. No one has greater love than one "who lays down their life for their friends", and all the law is fulfilled in "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

What about the soldier who jumps on a grenade to save the lives of those in his squad? It was an act of suicide, so according to our first statement, it was a sin. But he was also acting in the spirit of all the law, so it could not be a sin. See the problem?

- Technically Yes. The original texts are, but it has been translated by men, and as such translations are not fully reliable.
- Depends on what it deals with. See above. I maintain the original texts of the Bible dealing with moral issues are absolute truth, but it is not a science textbook, because it can be impossible to determine what is metaphor and what is fact if one assumes it to be a science textbook. I can make a Scriptural case for a flat earth that is orbited by the Sun, using no less than 14 verses.
That's a loaded question if I ever saw one. Yes, I believe abortion to be a sin. However, I also think outlawing would not work, and studies have shown that to be the case.

No. The original texts of the Bible don't say it is.

Yes, see above.

Yes, as long as they aren't having sex.

- Yes, although this only applies to the time after his death on the cross and later resurrection. It's difficult to say which aspect of God people like Moses, Abraham, and other OT figures had conversation with. They might have been in direct conversation with the Father.

The funny thing is, this isn't a simple "Yes" or "No" question. I maintain that God will redeem all. The method of that remains to be seen.

Add one more to the want to be god column. This is sad but funny. God's Word is absolute. But you liberals need wiggle room to work in your own opinions.

Yep. Forget the unsaved folks. The ones calling themselves Christians are doing more damage to the causeof Christ.

They are STILL Yes or No questions.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

Add one more to the want to be god column. This is sad but funny. God's Word is absolute. But you liberals need wiggle room to work in your own opinions.

Yep. Forget the unsaved folks. The ones calling themselves Christians are doing more damage to the causeof Christ.

They are STILL Yes or No questions.

This is rather funny.

Let's take your question:

"Will everyone be saved or will some go to hell?"

If I answer "Yes", then what?

Do I mean: "Yes, everyone will be saved" or "Yes, some will go to hell"?

 

[Zaac]

This is rather funny.

Let's take your question:


If I answer "Yes", then what?

Do I mean: "Yes, everyone will be saved" or "Yes, some will go to hell"?

Will everyone be saved? Yes or No
Will some people go to hell? Yes or No

 

[Zaac]

You are aware this applies to you too right? Fundamentalists have done more damage to the cause of Christ than liberals or atheists could ever dream of. Ignorance and hatred ( both common components of the fundamentalist/conservative mindset) are not qualities people want to aspire to. So when they see them exhibited by so called "Christians" they steer clear. Do you get it yet Zaac? Your tactics are destructive.

What I get is you haven't answered the questions.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

Will everyone be saved? Yes or No
Will some people go to hell? Yes or No

Will everyone be saved? - Yes
Will some people go to hell? - No

They're technically the same question though.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

Evil Communist Clowns. Now I've seen everything.

 

[catlover]

Did you see anywhere that I said it was a litmus test for true Christianity? Not being able to answer the questions is the equivalent of not answering Yes or No.

Traditional Wording

I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten of his Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost
of the Virgin Mary,
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried;
and the third day he rose again
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
and he shall come again, with glory,
to judge both the quick and the dead;
whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life,
who proceedeth from the Father [and the Son];
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshipped and glorified;
who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
and I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.



This answers what you asked perfectly...

 

[Zaac]

Traditional Wording

I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten of his Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost
of the Virgin Mary,
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried;
and the third day he rose again
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
and he shall come again, with glory,
to judge both the quick and the dead;
whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life,
who proceedeth from the Father [and the Son];
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshipped and glorified;
who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
and I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.



This answers what you asked perfectly...

Unless it's a Yes or No, it didn't.

 

[Tissue]

Zaac, you don't seem to understand that it is entirely incorrect of you to ask for 'yes' or 'no' answers to questions that do not fit such explanations. It's as silly as asking someone to describe the personality traits of their spouse, in terms of 'yes' or 'no'.

You seem to be under the impression that anyone who disagrees with you is not standing on the Word of God, and then reconcile such pride by attributing your viewpoint to God. Each of us firmly deny this, yet we draw the distinction that we disagree with you, not God.

This is a major discrepancy. What say we open up the matter in conversation, and see where that goes?