originally posted by Garyzenuf
Just having the gifts does not guarantee anything, but without them, it is impossible. People have personal wills that inhibit them from ascertaining truth of God. Just as people in this thread don't believe in certain Biblical things, what is it that make you not believe? Depending upon your answer, then it is logically follows that there is something that keeps you from believing; thus, we see there is the problem. Humans are finite and are spiritually inept. We are more interested in self preservation than we are in obeying and listening to God. That is why we are more confident that our personal philosophies of this world are more likely to be truth and not the other things that are outside of our control and/or comprehension. It is far easier to trust ourselves than a being that claims to have created us and knows what is best for us.
I didn't say that. You did. I am dealing with the state: not the cause of that state. At least you recognize that we are flawed, but as I have said, that is no excuse to being able to discern. We have tools that God gave us that can assist us in understanding and realizing our flaws and dealing with then while still being able to be obedient. The Holy Spirit helps us to become obedient once we come to realize our sins are the problem and that we need Christ for our redemption from the consequences of those sins. If one is not moving towards Christ, then one shouldn't expect to understand these things very well or at all.
If these gifts he has given us fail to lead us to this...
Just having the gifts does not guarantee anything, but without them, it is impossible. People have personal wills that inhibit them from ascertaining truth of God. Just as people in this thread don't believe in certain Biblical things, what is it that make you not believe? Depending upon your answer, then it is logically follows that there is something that keeps you from believing; thus, we see there is the problem. Humans are finite and are spiritually inept. We are more interested in self preservation than we are in obeying and listening to God. That is why we are more confident that our personal philosophies of this world are more likely to be truth and not the other things that are outside of our control and/or comprehension. It is far easier to trust ourselves than a being that claims to have created us and knows what is best for us.
How are humans to blame if we're "flawed"?
I didn't say that. You did. I am dealing with the state: not the cause of that state. At least you recognize that we are flawed, but as I have said, that is no excuse to being able to discern. We have tools that God gave us that can assist us in understanding and realizing our flaws and dealing with then while still being able to be obedient. The Holy Spirit helps us to become obedient once we come to realize our sins are the problem and that we need Christ for our redemption from the consequences of those sins. If one is not moving towards Christ, then one shouldn't expect to understand these things very well or at all.
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