Poll...Do You Believe Conspiracy Theories Have Merit?

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Hello Big Mouth Nana,

What I am asking you to do is attempt to engage rationally and not use terms like "wacko". That is my point. Mockery with terms like "Dr" is also not anything Godly. I cannot speak for "them" but my remedy is typically to post Romans 12. With respect to Iran for example, I see the likes of Hagee wanting to repay evil for evil. The US, as I indicated, made the first deposit when we destroyed their government. in the 50s. We are directed to repay evil with good. The amount of bellicosity coming from Christian sources does not fit with Romans 12.
I'll stick to "wacko" thank you. I've used worse, but was being nice in this instance. Also I point out that I was referring to conspiracy theory topics, not individual people...it's allowed. Do you think that your statement was Godly toward me? Then I say you do not abhor evil in that case and have a tolerance for it. You just the same as said that I love evil and can tolerate it :doh:Isn't that rather like the pot calling the kettle black? How soon people forget what they say on here ^_^. Anyway, to get passed the foolishness...Hagee is NOT allowed on my tv lol. I have seen this man state more garbage then a lot of preachers. Even though I wouldn't vote for Obama if my life depended on it, I can see his point in talking with our enemies. How can you try and solve problems without dialogue? Bush did a rush to judgment on Iraq.


Yes he does in Matthew 23 he explained what they were doing in great detail and he continually exposed their hearts throughout the gospels.They appeared outwardly very good ergo their evil was a bit complicated. Its almost like you see fit to resist simple acts of evil.
Like I stated before, the Devil is the Devil. I'm not going to give him a leg up on what he is doing...it's evident what he is doing!! Resist simple acts of evil???? LOL!!!!!!!!! Show me where the bible states NOT to resist evil of any kind? Evil is evil. That is about the most ludicrous statement that I have read from you. Come on gwenedd, I know you are more intelligent then this remark!! I try to resist evil of any kind. I'm not perfect, but I don't knowingly gravitate toward evil....even small acts.


However if you are against end times mania then I am certainly with you on that one.
BTW : The apostasy already happened. Hebrews was written as a reaction to it. John identified it and proclaimed it was indeed taking place.
Quite possibly this may be true. From my years on this earth, and with what I have witnessed, it has gotten worse.
 
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Sorry if I wasn't being clear :) The main fact is Notrash, it all boils down to wiles of the Devil. Should we be heeding these theories as biblical truth, or just take into consideration that we aren't blind and stupid to Satans deceptions and not dissect every thing that he does.

I dont' share your 'end times' views and fanatacisms, and this is the very reason to be aware of such evil and anti-christian activity and then to 'come out of them (her)'. If one believes that we are in the end times, then all these 'evils' are par for the course and are not to be opposed by christians. But, as Gwyndd1 has also said, the end time tribulation scenario was formed by the very same zionist group through such teachings as found in scofield (who was supported by zionist untermyer) That scenario was formed to get Chistians eyes off of being the salt of the earth and on guard against the wile's of satan (even political and conspiratorial wiles) and to view themselves as powerless second class citizens to Gods workings with these so called jews.


Whatever isn't of God is from the Devil. I look at it as uplifting his schemes myself by talking about them on here, and some people live in this arena. I can tell you right now with the way the world is headed, and this nation alone falling apart, that conspiracy theories are the LAST thing that should be on any ones mind. It is evident that Satan is busy, so shouldn't we be uplifting each other in good conversation that points to the return of Christ, and not the Devils domain?

No, I dont' think we are to ignore the wiles of Satan in his attempts to undermine the church. Matt 10:16, the disciples were to be as wise as the Serpents, but as harmless as doves as their day of the judgement of the beasts and judaism approached. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. They were to understand the conspiracies and false teachings that had interwoven into the people of not only israel, but peoples of all nations as the gospel of the creator spread out from the remnant of the old covenant people to all his people through faith in the new covenant.

Christ returns in his Spirit, personally individually many times in a believers life; examples; When someone is healed through personal faith in their walk with Him, when they experience joy through triumph of character growth or obedience against the grain of hatred, when one of those who believe in him calls on him (excluding all others) to help with understanding scriptures for their personal life benefit. Because the Holy Spirit is here within believers and His word, he never fully left. His return in power and glory was primarily referring to His revelation of himself as the Creator and controller of the universe during the veangence against those who persecuted him. He may yet return a final time and it may be soon or maybe 100 yrs or 1000 yrs, but for each individual, his return is perhaps 70 to 80 yrs from birth before meeting him.

Anyhow, yes, there are men and people plotting strategies to attempt world dominion. You can read about some of them on various conspiracy sites or just using some common sense, that the 'world system' has been at work for a long time.

Unless a person is totally bible illiterate, then these things are self evident as we watch things unfold. This Presidential campaign alone is enough to see the evil exuding from it and the "conspirators" hammering away at each other. I don't need to run to the internet to find the latest and greatest "man made notion" floating around on there. Some people scour the internet like it was the bible. We can turn on our tv's and see evil almost every second of the day...or better yet, turn the dang things off..especially the major news networks at this point in time. I think it is time that we as Christians need to "Come out of her my people" and look to Christ, not the world. The world can't help us no matter how many lies they promise, so why bathe in the evilness and conspiracy theories? Topics about Freemasonary, UFO's, evil tradmarks on products are sensationalism. None of these things affect our lives one way or the other.
The above underlined is a good point. But part of the 'world' system is that very groups that you say do not exist.

For those who are unaware of such organizations such as the CFR, the Bilderburgs, Council of 300, learning about them helps to understand their influence and the counteracting beliefs and understandings.

How would these play in the last days before Christ returns if at all? 1 Cor 3:19 ~For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Again, I dont' recognize that we have to be in such 'last days'. And you have taken the verse of I Cor 3 out of it's context to apply to world conspiracies, not the reguard of the 'wisdom' of this world. I think he is referring to the same profession of wisdom about the worlds godless creation and operation that he refers to in Romans 1:19-21.

Although you make a very good point about spending too much time in such conspiracies, some people are just discovering how they have been believing falsehoods fed to them by the media concerning some of the "conspiracies". And so they naturally spend alot of time investigating the accuracy of such reports. The "illiminati" was a very real organization that was fed by the international bankers (again). Zionism had very real organizations in the late 1800's thru mid 1900's. There is a very real zionist lobby that enjoins congress to the desires of Judaic/talmudic influence. Do we play along or resist "the devil" so he will flee from us.? I believe dispensationalism is also a outgrowth of the influence of judaism and zionism of these groups and the literal interpretation/futurism scheme.

One little example is that churches are naturally tax-exempt orgainizations and do not need to register as 501c3 organizations. But the govt and tax professionals dont' tell them that. They (tax professionals) recommend and help churches become registered as 501c3's. By registering as 501c3's, churches become govt approved (and controlled) businesses. This limits some of the things that can be preached from the pulpit or discussed. Would this 'conspiracy' of the crafting of the legaleze of law be something important for people wishing to remain free and unspotted by the 'world' to know and understand.?? http://www.hushmoney.org
 
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I'll stick to "wacko" thank you. I've used worse, but was being nice in this instance. Also I point out that I was referring to conspiracy theory topics, not individual people...it's allowed. Do you think that your statement was Godly toward me? Then I say you do not abhor evil in that case and have a tolerance for it. You just the same as said that I love evil and can tolerate it :doh:


My apologies for my role in this misunderstanding.
I stated it as a rhetorical supposition and it is now out of context here. I would appreciate it if you did not do that. Have you not read where Paul says that should we sin more and then say "Certainly not"? Its the same rhetorical style. It was meant to allow you to respond. That is why I added "in that case" to emphasize the supposition. Please try to clarify before such retaliations in the future and determine if it was directed in such a way. It is also a work in process to try and phrase these things in a text only medium.

This is what I said.
So it is your opinion that Christians should ignore evil and not bring it to light?
Then I say you do not abhor evil in that case and have a tolerance for it. Did you see Jesus leading this example? He pointed out the evil of the Scribes and Pharisees. They were actually doing similar things in those days.
 
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I'll stick to "wacko" thank you. I've used worse, but was being nice in this instance. Also I point out that I was referring to conspiracy theory topics, not individual people...it's allowed. Do you think that your statement was Godly toward me? Then I say you do not abhor evil in that case and have a tolerance for it. You just the same as said that I love evil and can tolerate it :doh:Isn't that rather like the pot calling the kettle black? How soon people forget what they say on here ^_^. Anyway, to get passed the foolishness...Hagee is NOT allowed on my tv lol. I have seen this man state more garbage then a lot of preachers. Even though I wouldn't vote for Obama if my life depended on it, I can see his point in talking with our enemies. How can you try and solve problems without dialogue? Bush did a rush to judgment on Iraq.


Like I stated before, the Devil is the Devil. I'm not going to give him a leg up on what he is doing...it's evident what he is doing!! Resist simple acts of evil???? LOL!!!!!!!!! Show me where the bible states NOT to resist evil of any kind? Evil is evil. That is about the most ludicrous statement that I have read from you. Come on gwenedd, I know you are more intelligent then this remark!! I try to resist evil of any kind. I'm not perfect, but I don't knowingly gravitate toward evil....even small acts.

Quite possibly this may be true. From my years on this earth, and with what I have witnessed, it has gotten worse.

Hello Big Mouth Nana,


Back to the subject of your view. It will be true that evil knows evil better. I do not think we need to know evil to the point of gossiping every detail. So to this extent I agree with you.

Luke 16

8"And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of (B)this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the (C)sons of light.



However we are also to be as wise as serpents. We need to know what is dangerous. I would prefer each theory exist on it merits rather than this general concept of "conspiracy theory". Yes there are very bad ones and it becomes a gossip. But whacko theory is reminiscent of anyone who reads the bible of being a "religious nut" or bible thumper". Its not gracious. I will presume to know after proving it wrong not before.
 
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Hello Big Mouth Nana,
However we are also to be as wise as serpents. We need to know what is dangerous. I would prefer each theory exist on it merits rather than this general concept of "conspiracy theory". Yes there are very bad ones and it becomes a gossip. But whacko theory is reminiscent of anyone who reads the bible of being a "religious nut" or bible thumper". Its not gracious. I will presume to know after proving it wrong not before.
Oh, I am no fool, and I keep up with the latest news. I feel that if something biblically prophetic happens, I will know about it ;) After being on this site for 5 years and others also, I have been through these same old conspiracy theories many times over. I know what they are. The younger folk seem to think that they have hit on a startling revelation, when in fact they are old stories.
As far as a bible thumper or a religious nut, what's wrong with being that? I think that we should all be bible thumpers and religious nuts...and down right fanatics for the Lord to get technical. I figure that if a man could die such a horrendous death because He loves me so much, He deserves my fervor and fanaticism...IE:religious nut; bible thumper.
 
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I dont' share your 'end times' views and fanatacisms, and this is the very reason to be aware of such evil and anti-christian activity and then to 'come out of them (her)'.
I didn't ask you to agree with my "end time" views. If I recall, I didn't agree with yours either, but I wouldn't go so far as to lable your beliefs as fanaticism. I like to believe that I am nicer then that :) As far as fanaticisms, I don't look at sticking with the bible ONLY as a fanaticism. Where people get blind sided is when they fill their heads with internet nonsense and these conspiracy theory sites instead of the Word. Jesus didn't say to watch out for the Illuminati, Freemasons, UFOs, or any other such things. He said to watch for His return. We all know the Devil is real and active, but I'm not looking for his return, he is here in spirit already.
If one believes that we are in the end times, then all these 'evils' are par for the course and are not to be opposed by christians.
Excuse me!!!??? I oppose evil whenever I see it or hear about it. Did Jesus have opposition to evil, or did He confront it head on and call it what it was? Conspiracy theories are evil in the respect of not having any specific truth to them, and so called Christians suck this garbage up. I know the Illuminati and Freemasons exist, but I seriously doubt that they are going to make my life hell on earth before Christ returns. They are just organizations like many who are part of the evil in this world.
But, as Gwyndd1 has also said, the end time tribulation scenario was formed by the very same zionist group through such teachings as found in scofield (who was supported by zionist untermyer) That scenario was formed to get Chistians eyes off of being the salt of the earth and on guard against the wile's of satan (even political and conspiratorial wiles) and to view themselves as powerless second class citizens to Gods workings with these so called jews.
Who is talking about the tribulation senerio?


No, I dont' think we are to ignore the wiles of Satan in his attempts to undermine the church. Matt 10:16, the disciples were to be as wise as the Serpents, but as harmless as doves as their day of the judgement of the beasts and judaism approached. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. They were to understand the conspiracies and false teachings that had interwoven into the people of not only israel, but peoples of all nations as the gospel of the creator spread out from the remnant of the old covenant people to all his people through faith in the new covenant.
Who is ignoring the wiles of the Devil? That is hard to do in the world that we live in at this day and age. I just refuse to give him credit for blinding people to the truth of what is real and what man has conjured up in his own mind by thinking that these entities like Freemasons, Illuniati etc are going to take over the world. That's not going to happen. There is only ONE man of sin in the bible that will put these organizations to shame for evilness.


Christ returns in his Spirit, personally individually many times in a believers life; examples; When someone is healed through personal faith in their walk with Him, when they experience joy through triumph of character growth or obedience against the grain of hatred, when one of those who believe in him calls on him (excluding all others) to help with understanding scriptures for their personal life benefit.
Oh, does His Spirit come and go like a revolving door? He never leaves us or forsakes us. He is aways present...Heb 13:5 ~ Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
He may yet return a final time and it may be soon or maybe 100 yrs or 1000 yrs, but for each individual, his return is perhaps 70 to 80 yrs from birth before meeting him.
He may yet return? You aren't sure if He is coming back?

But part of the 'world' system is that very groups that you say do not exist.
For those who are unaware of such organizations such as the CFR, the Bilderburgs, Council of 300, learning about them helps to understand their influence and the counteracting beliefs and understandings.
I didn't say that they didn't exist. I don't believe that they play an important part in a Christians life...or ever will, OR SHOULD. They may have the spirit of the Antichrist, but they aren't the Antichrist. I have evil people living all around me. Are they going to play a part in my life before Christ returns? Jesus destroyed the works of the Devil already, so why should we fear what is in the world? We as Christians recognize what is evil, and deliberately hunting it up on conspiracy theroy sites, or trying to fit these kinds of things biblically is ludicrous!!

There is a very real zionist lobby that enjoins congress to the desires of Judaic/talmudic influence. Do we play along or resist "the devil" so he will flee from us.? I believe dispensationalism is also a outgrowth of the influence of judaism and zionism of these groups and the literal interpretation/futurism scheme.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

One little example is that churches are naturally tax-exempt orgainizations and do not need to register as 501c3 organizations. But the govt and tax professionals dont' tell them that. They (tax professionals) recommend and help churches become registered as 501c3's. By registering as 501c3's, churches become govt approved (and controlled) businesses. This limits some of the things that can be preached from the pulpit or discussed. Would this 'conspiracy' of the crafting of the legaleze of law be something important for people wishing to remain free and unspotted by the 'world' to know and understand.??
I know that churches are tax exempt. There was discussion years ago about taxing churches, and it may well happen. Doesn't affect me any. I just look at it as another evil present. They can't stop people from spreading the Word outside of churches ya know? Street ministries are a wonderful tool. While people are stuck in Illuminati/Freemasons Land, they should be filling up on the Word instead. Makes better sense. We can't get rid of all of the evil in the world...God will take care of that Himself. As soon as I hear that the Illuminati or Freemasons have taken over the world and are controlling it to where I can't live a normal life any longer, then I will think of this verse...John 16:33 ~ These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
 
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I didn't ask you to agree with my "end time" views. If I recall, I didn't agree with yours either, but I wouldn't go so far as to lable your beliefs as fanaticism. I like to believe that I am nicer then that :) As far as fanaticisms, I don't look at sticking with the bible ONLY as a fanaticism. Where people get blind sided is when they fill their heads with internet nonsense and these conspiracy theory sites instead of the Word. Jesus didn't say to watch out for the Illuminati, Freemasons, UFOs, or any other such things. He said to watch for His return.

He and the apostles obviously said more than only to watch for his return. James said, pure and undefiled religion is this: to care for the widows and orphans and to keep oneself unspotted by the world. The previously mentioned verses about being as wise as serpents incline one to consider the manner in which the serpent organizations may inject false doctrine and untruth into the church even perhaps using bible colleges and seminaries to do so.


We all know the Devil is real and active, but I'm not looking for his return, he is here in spirit already. Excuse me!!!??? I oppose evil whenever I see it or hear about it. Did Jesus have opposition to evil, or did He confront it head on and call it what it was?


Then why rant about some who expose the underworkings of some of the 'evil' organizations??

Conspiracy theories are evil in the respect of not having any specific truth to them, and so called Christians suck this garbage up.

Again, as Gwyndd1 mentioned, each "theory" must be evaluated and weighed individually. Any lie would be of satan, the father of lies and would be a coverup for truth.


I know the Illuminati and Freemasons exist, but I seriously doubt that they are going to make my life hell on earth before Christ returns. They are just organizations like many who are part of the evil in this world.
Who is talking about the tribulation senerio?


The churches and nations in russia and china endured greatly because they were taught that they would be raptured before being persecuted. Thus, they went along with their quests for worldly attainments while the judaizers plotted against them. Our warfare involves principalities and powers of high places.

Who is ignoring the wiles of the Devil? That is hard to do in the world that we live in at this day and age. I just refuse to give him credit for blinding people to the truth of what is real and what man has conjured up in his own mind by thinking that these entities like Freemasons, Illuniati etc are going to take over the world. That's not going to happen. There is only ONE man of sin in the bible that will put these organizations to shame for evilness.
I believe that he does blind some people to the truth through the indoctrinations of some of the said organizations. I dont' believe also that they will suceed in taking over the world, but that is their goal. I dont' share your one man of sin idea as being future. If it were, then the illuminati organizations would have to come to power to place him in position to rule. I think and believe that the beast of rev was Nero who's antics were about as evil as one can propose.

Oh, does His Spirit come and go like a revolving door? He never leaves us or forsakes us. He is aways present...Heb 13:5 ~ Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
He may yet return? You aren't sure if He is coming back?


I personally question weather and if a final return to remake the earth would be physical and bodily or through his working of the elements, just as he did with Noahs' flood. Or even perhaps that was referring to judea who's destruction was 'like a flood'. Yes, the angels told the disciples that in the same manner in which you saw him go, he will come again, but could they have been referring to having gone in the clouds, not that he personally,physically and bodily would return to earth.

I do not believe that he is coming back bodily and physically to reign on earth for 1000 yrs. I believe that those are part of the jewish fables of chilaism.

No, the Sprit is indwelling permanently, but our individual human interaction with him waxes and wanes at times.


I didn't say that they didn't exist. I don't believe that they play an important part in a Christians life...or ever will, OR SHOULD. They may have the spirit of the Antichrist, but they aren't the Antichrist.

Again, your view of eschatology watches for an anti-christ, while my view says that the son of perdition was primarily relevant to the close of the old covenant.
A person of single 'anti-christ' is never prophecied to come in the scriptures. John said that many anti-christs had already come and that the spirit of anti-christ was anyone who denied that the Messiah had already come in the flesh. If you refer to the son of perdition as the anti-christ, then call him the son of perdition. I dont' make the association that they are one and the same and I view the son of perdition has having already come in Jerusalem.
Iraneous used the term in relation to who pretertists would think of as Nero 'the beast' in Revelation. I believe Iraneous basically said, if John didnt' name him by name, neither will we.

I have evil people living all around me. Are they going to play a part in my life before Christ returns? Jesus destroyed the works of the Devil already, so why should we fear what is in the world? We as Christians recognize what is evil, and deliberately hunting it up on conspiracy theroy sites, or trying to fit these kinds of things biblically is ludicrous!!

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
How would you know if it was theory or fact without researching it?

I know that churches are tax exempt. There was discussion years ago about taxing churches, and it may well happen. Doesn't affect me any. I just look at it as another evil present.
Some people do not know that churches are tax exempt naturally and would call the information of optional 501c3 incorporation of churches a 'conspiracy theory". It is a conspiracy reality. By incorporating as 501c3's, churches submit to the rules and regulations of those corporations, rather than being free of them.

While people are stuck in Illuminati/Freemasons Land, they should be filling up on the Word instead. Makes better sense.

There are very good points to what you say about being fearful of them or about 'worshiping them'. But by ignoring how their systems work, we can't remain seperate from them. Again, I personally believe that dispensationalism/futurism, the "literal" interpretation, and codifying and legalizing the new testament is one of the workings of said "Illuminati/freemasonry".

I believe the practice of pulling verses out of their context to support a doctrine, a condemnation, a practice, behavior or teaching mimics the pattern found in codified law of judaism. The books and epistles were written in Hebrew literature/greek letters and had contextual meanings and applicatons. Their interpretation and application is found in contextual understanding and contextual understanding ONLY. Jesus said that his words were Spirit and Life, not codified law.

I believe that the quote by Cornwallis to Washington was true based on Cornwallis' being part of those organizations and knowing the direction they were going. http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecution19.htm
"Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,
"A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

"Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction
"Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

We can't get rid of all of the evil in the world...God will take care of that Himself. As soon as I hear that the Illuminati or Freemasons have taken over the world and are controlling it to where I can't live a normal life any longer, then I will think of this verse...John 16:33 ~ These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Again, good points mixed in with the anti-knowledge/awareness stuff. But, I think we are sometimes conditioned to believe that we are living a 'normal' life, when some of both constitutional rights' and especially personal rights, responsibilities, blessings, freedom and power given by the redeemer are twisted and stolen.
Does being a 'federal citizen' infringe on being a citizen of the kingdom of God? Are our lives so cluttered and fearful of govt regulations/taxes that we can't be free to love our neighbor? Was this 'slavery' to fed govt citizenship planned by other illuminati, communist, socialist, judaic groups.... or is it just happenstance.?
 
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The 42-month world-reign of the Antichrist (Revelation
13:5) will be the result of the ultimate conspiracy.
The Antichrist won't act alone, but will be empowered
by Satan (Revelation 13:5) and sold to the world by
the False Prophet (Revelation 13:12-18).

And even before his 42-month world-reign, the
Antichrist will gradually increase his power through
the help of a "small people" (Daniel 11:23b), as in
numerically small, and not the general public, which
will no doubt be kept in the dark regarding what's
happening.

And Satan will no doubt use the accusation of "hype...
hype...hype!" against those Christians who will
recognize the Antichrist conspiracy actually beginning
to come to fruition in the world in the future with
the Antichrist's gradual increase in power. The
newspaper and TV news is not going to say "This man
is the Antichrist who is going to take over the
world", so if Christians are waiting for that they can
forget it. In fact, the newspaper and TV news could
increasingly come under the influence of the forces of
Antichrist, and so present actual disinformation to
deceive the world into rejecting all Christian claims,
no matter how scriptural, and receiving the Antichrist
as a good guy.

It's on the internet that Christians can and will
glean vital, true information which no newspaper or
TV news show is going to include, precisely to avoid
being labeled as "hyping some wacko fundamentalist
conspiracy theory about some 'Antichrist' figure
talked about in the Bible".

So Christians must not automatically reject as
necessarily false all internet conspiracy theories
about the Antichrist and those groups and things which
could be preparing his way before him, just as
Christians must not automatically accept all such
theories as necessarily true. Christians must test any
such theory to see if it actually lines up with the
actual scriptural prophecies about the Antichrist and
his coming world reign (Revelation 13:4-18), or if
it's just out of left field.

We must not be ignorant of any of Satan's devices,
lest he should get an advantage of us (2 Corinthians
2:11, Matthew 10:16). And what better way to get
knowledge of things than to dissect them? Satan would
want us not to dissect any of his devices so that we
won't know what any of them are about, so that through
them he can gradually sneak up on us and devour us
(1 Peter 5:8).

The church is going to have to face the coming world-
reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13,
20:4), face all of the deceptions of the coming
tribulation (Mark 13:22; 1 Timothy 4:1). So the church
needs to know everything beforehand (Mark 13:23,
Revelation 1:1, 22:16).

Some Christians could want to avoid gaining any
knowledge of any conspiracy theories regarding the
Antichrist and those groups and things which could be
preparing his way before him, because the potentially
too-real and too-present evil that is exposed in those
theories makes those Christians afraid. But Christians
are not to be afraid of anything or anyone (Revelation
2:10), except God himself (Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5).
 
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It's on the internet that Christians can and will
glean vital, true information which no newspaper or
TV news show is going to include, precisely to avoid
being labeled as "hyping some wacko fundamentalist
conspiracy theory about some 'Antichrist' figure
talked about in the Bible".


The internet will be shut down, like they'v got in China.. all people will have is the information that they have aquired already. The media is already how you predict the future to be..
 
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In fact, the newspaper and TV news could
increasingly come under the influence of the forces of
Antichrist, and so present actual disinformation to
deceive the world into rejecting all Christian claims,
no matter how scriptural, and receiving the Antichrist
as a good guy.
Talk about a possible conspiracy theory!! Well, you seem to forget one very important part of this equation Bible2. The bible states that the Antichrist will be revealed. Now just who do you believe that he is revealed by, the newspaper and tv, or possibly picking up some "hype" off of the internet? Revelation comes from the Holy Spirit, and if people are listening to Him as they should be, revelation will be VERY VERY clear. Now those who won't be listening are those who believe that they will never know who this person is before they jet off of this planet in a secret "unscriptural" rapture, or caught up into some internet mumbo jumbo.


So Christians must not automatically reject as
necessarily false all internet conspiracy theories
about the Antichrist and those groups and things which
could be preparing his way before him, just as
Christians must not automatically accept all such
theories as necessarily true. Christians must test any
such theory to see if it actually lines up with the
actual scriptural prophecies about the Antichrist and
his coming world reign (Revelation 13:4-18), or if
it's just out of left field.
Once again, we have the Holy Spirit who will reveal the AC. You are promoting conspiracy theories which I consider the works if the spirit of the AC right now. People are sucking this junk up like a thirsty man to putrid water!! What happened to Christ and His Word first?

We must not be ignorant of any of Satan's devices,
lest he should get an advantage of us (2 Corinthians
2:11, Matthew 10:16). And what better way to get
knowledge of things than to dissect them? Satan would
want us not to dissect any of his devices so that we
won't know what any of them are about, so that through
them he can gradually sneak up on us and devour us
(1 Peter 5:8).
Dissect Gods Word, not men's own thinking. Some are being devoured already little by little and they don't know it. What is there NOT in Gods Word that any of us need to know about the Antichrist that is on the internet? Careful here. The bible tells us exactly what he is going to do.


Some Christians could want to avoid gaining any
knowledge of any conspiracy theories regarding the
Antichrist and those groups and things which could be
preparing his way before him, because the potentially
too-real and too-present evil that is exposed in those
theories makes those Christians afraid. But Christians
are not to be afraid of anything or anyone (Revelation
2:10), except God himself (Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5).
This is absurdity to the max!! I avoid ALL conspiracy theories. If they are "biblical" in nature, then they are realities, not conspiracy theories. I'm not going to get all hyped up over the Bilderburgs, Freemasons, or any other group who people believe are preparing the way for the AC. That in itself is a delusion to keep people from revelation from God.
 
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This is absurdity to the max!! I avoid ALL conspiracy theories. If they are "biblical" in nature, then they are realities, not conspiracy theories. I'm not going to get all hyped up over the Bilderburgs, Freemasons, or any other group who people believe are preparing the way for the AC. That in itself is a delusion to keep people from revelation from God.

Here you are implying that conspiracy theory = false, by definition.. that it not the truth.. each conspiracy must be investigated properly before any opinion can be formed.. some conspiracy theories are stronger than others.. the 9/11 conspiracy is the one with the most evidence for a conspiracy, that does not involve islamic militants, as the prime cause.. JFK was aware of a conspiracy.. and warned the people about it.. now we've got the opposite.. Bush trying to claim that 'consiracy theories' are false by definition... who was right.. JFK or Bush?
 
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hiscosmicogoldfish said:
the 9/11 conspiracy is the one with the most evidence for a conspiracy, that does not involve islamic militants, as the prime cause.. JFK was aware of a conspiracy.. and warned the people about it.. now we've got the opposite.. Bush trying to claim that 'consiracy theories' are false by definition... who was right.. JFK or Bush?
Excellent points.

The movie 'Eagle Eye', though it's purely fiction, is an excellent storyline of how our advanced technology could be used to mastermind a conspiracy. I have a hard time NOT believing, in light of our enlightened age.
 
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I believe some conspiracy theories aren't theories at all, but are real. I believe as we speak their are puppet masters behind our government pulling strings to make our economy fall bushing us closer to the mark. The theories are not an end to themselves, just stepping stones, but things are always happening in the background that some people would not believe if they saw it for themselves. Just remember the old saying "truth is stranger than fiction" because there is a lot of truth behind it.
 
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Big Mouth Nana said:
This is absurdity to the max!! I avoid ALL conspiracy theories. If they are "biblical" in nature, then they are realities, not conspiracy theories. I'm not going to get all hyped up over the Bilderburgs, Freemasons, or any other group who people believe are preparing the way for the AC. That in itself is a delusion to keep people from revelation from God.

hiscosmicogoldfish said:
Here you are implying that conspiracy theory = false, by definition.. that it not the truth.. each conspiracy must be investigated properly before any opinion can be formed.. some conspiracy theories are stronger than others.. the 9/11 conspiracy is the one with the most evidence for a conspiracy, that does not involve islamic militants, as the prime cause.. JFK was aware of a conspiracy.. and warned the people about it.. now we've got the opposite.. Bush trying to claim that 'consiracy theories' are false by definition... who was right.. JFK or Bush?[/font]
God was right!! Rom 12:2 ~ And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God....not breaking down everything people can drum up that is evil in the world. The world is full of evil, and if anyone believes that they are going to be able to thwart Satan's devises, you are wrong!! He gave us power personally over the enemy, not over every one of his schemes that he does in the world. We are to renew our minds to Gods Word..not Satan's doings.
These kind of topics can do nothing but breed fear into those who aren't grounded in the Word and the Lord, by thinking that there is going to be a big take over by these organizations. Even if it were true...which it isn't, what are you going to do about it? I'll give you the correct answer... pray, and be ready to meet the Lord in the air, because you are wasting typing power on these topics and uplifting the Devils workings. Evil is evil, and only God can and will destroy it.
Col 2:8 ~ Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. People who are caught up into these topics and thinking that they are going to lead to a world wide take over and prophecy leading to the AC are being duped. There is only one man of sin, and one false prophet, and HE will be revealed, not a regime of men working under cover to pave his way. Cripes, they do evil out in the open. Look at Wall Street and the proposed bail out. These people weren't hiding when they ripped people off. Evil isn't hid, it's quite evident.
I'm not saying that we need to bury our heads in the sand, but to keep things in perspective biblically ONLY!! I watch the news, not scavenge the internet like a hungry dog looking for a bone trying to find the latest hype. Biblically, the things going on now with our government all boiled down to one thing, which was greed, which in turn comes from Satan. Here ya go...biblical facts, not hype...Isaiah 56:11 ~ Yea, they are GREEDY dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds (or leaders...governmental fits) that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. All things need to point to what Gods Word states...not what man thinks.
 
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Isaiah 56:11 ~ Yea, they are GREEDY dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds (or leaders...governmental fits) that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. All things to need to point to what Gods Word states...not what man thinks.
Hmm. I got a few verses that would fit nicely with that. What about the OC Judean rulers [of whom I view in Revelation btw] :wave:


Isaiah 56:11 And the dogs strong ones of soul, not they know satisfaction, and they ones being shepherds not they know to understand of, all of them way of them, they face man to gain of him from end of him.

Psalm 22:16 For dogs have surround me, a crowd of evil doers have compass me as lion my hands and feet.

Phil 3:2 Beware of-the dogs, beware of-the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision!
3 For we-are the circumcision/peri-tomh <4061>, ones to Spirit of God worship, boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

Revelation 22:15 Without the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a Falsehood .
 
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The Antichrist probably won't shut down the internet
as it will be the perfect tool for continual
surveillance of everyone. At set times each day,
all people could be required to worship a speaking
image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) on their
internet-enabled cell phones, and the cameras on these
cell phones could send back visual confirmation of the
worshippers' compliance.

Also, the number of the name of the Antichrist, 666
(Revelation 13:17b-18) has already been placed on a
lot of the internet in the form of WWW, for W is the
transliteration of the 6th letter of the ancient
Hebrew alphabet, which stood for the number 6. So the
forces of the Antichrist have already "laid claim" as
it were to the internet, branding it as it were to
show that the Antichrist intends complete ownership of it.

As the Antichrist begins to come into power, he will
no doubt try to block access to any web sites which
contain information exposing who he is to the world.
He could claim to do so: "in the interests of world
security, for it is these insane Christian
fundamentalists with their cockamamie conspiracy
theories whom we need to fear the most; they have
proven themselves capable of committing the worst
terrorist acts imaginable, all in the name of their
vile God YHWH, and under the delusional inspiration
of his so-called 'prophecies' in the Bible, which are
nothing other than propaganda designed to keep mankind
from entering into the blessed illumination, the
divine Gnosis, of our Lord Lucifer".

What the Antichrist could do is set up all sorts of
"false flag" terrorist acts purportedly committed by
fundamentalist Christians. He could hire actors to
grow long white beards and hold Bibles on street
corners and shout out the most stupid things
imaginable "in the name of JEEE-SUSSSS!", and commit
the most horrible crimes imaginable while quoting
prophetic scriptures and shouting "Beware the
evil Antichrist!". This could so demean the whole
concept of the Antichrist and Biblical prophecy that
everyone will run the other way whenever anyone so
much as starts to even mention them (which is pretty
much what the world does already). And these terrorist
acts and other crimes could tarnish all fundamentalist
Christians to the point where "religious profiling"
will be instituted and all fundamentalist Christians
will become suspect as possible terrorists and locked
up in mental wards and pumped with psychoactive drugs
or given lobotomies to where they become nothing but
zombies. "Poor people", the world could say, "how sad
to see the ravages of mental illness. No doubt it was
their reading of the Bible which ended up unhinging
their weak minds".

And so the Antichrist could basically eviscerate
fundamentalism, the belief that the Bible is all good
and all true (2 Timothy 3:16-17), so that no one in
the world will want to look at or even think about
the Bible or its prophecies regarding the Antichrist.
So it could be true that what we learn now about them
is all we're ever going to learn about them. So we
better get cracking and learn all we can now before
the Antichrist takes over. Some Christians will be
able to escape the clutches of the Antichrist and
flee into mountainous, wilderness places during his
3.5-year world-reign (Revelation 12:6, Ezekiel 7:16,
Matthew 24:16).

These escaped Christians will only have been able to
recognize the Antichrist before he could get his hands
on them because, through the Holy Spirit, they had had
faith in the scriptures foretelling how to recognize
him (e.g. Revelation 13:17b-18, 2 Thessalonians 2:4,
Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15-16) and weren't
conformed to the world's fear of being called
"conspiracy-theory kooks", but, with the help of the
Holy Spirit, had actually applied their knowledge of
these scriptures to who and what they were seeing
before them in the world with their own eyes.

And because they had put these scriptures first, they
had tested everything anyone had said on the internet
regarding the Antichrist's possible identity against
these scriptures, and so had accepted only that vital
information (not obtainable from the newpapaper or TV
news) which had lined up with these scriptures. And
they had rejected those things said on the internet
which didn't line up with these scriptures, and so
they had avoided going down all sorts of wrong trails
which would have only served to have diverted them
from knowing who the real Antichrist was and being
wary of him and ultimately fleeing and hiding from
him (Proverbs 28:12b, 28:28, 2 Thessalonians 2:8a,
Matthew 24:15-16), knowing that while they could
dissect and so come to know all of Satan's devices
(2 Corinthians 2:11, Matthew 10:16), they could in no
way thwart the 3.5-year world-reign of the Antichrist
(Revelation 13:4-18), which must happen (Revelation 1:1).

And even if Christians are captured and tortured by the
Antichrist, and then led out to be beheaded (Revelation
20:4), they should not fear any of this (cf. Revelation
2:10), but should only fear God, who can cast them into
hell (Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5), and will do so if they
give in to the Antichrist in order to save their lives
(Revelation 14:9-13, 12:11, Mark 8:35-38, John 12:25).

The Antichrist is not going to take over the world
all by himself, but will become strong through a
"small people" (Daniel 11:23), as in numerically small,
that is, through a conspiracy. It's through the
internet that we could obtain the information we need
in order to be able to possibly identify the people
in on this conspiracy, and so be very wary of them, and
not be snookered by them.

The people in the Antichrist conspiracy could all
secretly be Gnostic Luciferians, for the Antichrist's
teaching regarding Christ will be Gnostic (1 John 4:3;
2 John 1:7), and he will bring the whole world into
the worship of Lucifer (Revelation 13:4). There are
secret groups today which could ultimately teach
Gnosticism and Luciferianism to their (numerically
small) highest members, who could serve as valuable
(secret) allies to the Antichrist as he gradually and
methodically increases his dominion over the world
(Daniel 11:21-30), until he becomes strong enough to
make his final move (Daniel 11:31,36, 2 Thessalonians
2:4, Revelation 13:4-18).
 
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The Antichrist probably won't shut down the internet
as it will be the perfect tool for continual
surveillance of everyone. At set times each day,
all people could be required to worship a speaking
image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15) on their
internet-enabled cell phones, and the cameras on these
cell phones could send back visual confirmation of the
worshippers' compliance.
LOL!!!!! What did you do see the Left Behind movie or read the books? They were on the interent communicating with one of their friends. I'll tell you what. When the AC appears, and I WILL know who he is, the last place that I am going to be is on the internet!! I can see you on it now though, trying to gleen every possible bit of information out there ^_^ How do you know that the internet isn't taken over by the antichrist beforehand and he knows right where you are at and comes and gets ya? BOO HAHAHAHA :mad:

Also, the number of the name of the Antichrist, 666
(Revelation 13:17b-18) has already been placed on a
lot of the internet in the form of WWW, for W is the
transliteration of the 6th letter of the ancient
Hebrew alphabet, which stood for the number 6. So the
forces of the Antichrist have already "laid claim" as
it were to the internet, branding it as it were to
show that the Antichrist intends complete ownership of it.
Perfect example of why I started the topic. This is beyond conspiracy theory. This is hilarious!! Hey, possibility though. I emailed someone one time about if they had tried the new Beta version of the AOL software, and the next day I got an email from AOL asking me if I wanted to try it. This was 10 years ago. AOL I'm figuring picked up on a key word in my email. This site right here displays ads by key words on what we type. A moderator told me that when I complained about seeing risque ads on here. We don't know how far the internet has really gone. Really want to chance being on the internet discussing the man of sin lol?

As the Antichrist begins to come into power, he will
no doubt try to block access to any web sites which
contain information exposing who he is to the world.
To late, I already know who he is as well as others. Nov 4th is not far away.
 
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I have noticed quite a few, what I call conspiracy theories in this forum. They are topics which generally do not have any bases for biblical precedent, and are basically vain surmisings from some unknown on the internet. The bible states in Colo 2:8, Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
As far as I know, everything that we need to know in the end times is right in Gods Word. We that are Christians know that there is a very real Devil and demonic forces are at work in the world. That is not to say that every organization, Lodge, Club, etc has anything relating to any certain end time scenario. There are evil people in ALL such gatherings...even in churches. To try and pin point certain criteria to link individual organizations to the Antichrist, the government of the Antichrist, any person who might even know the Antichrist personally ^_^, is not only futile, but takes people away from the actual reality that the Antichrist could be standing in front of your face and you wouldn't recognize him. The bible states that he will be revealed..2Thess 2:3, not come off of the internet on some spurious search for the next big deception thinking that it is prophecy unfolding. Instead of ingesting garbage off of the internet, we as Christians should be ingesting Gods Word and listening to the voice of His Spirit. Your thoughts on this?

Conspiracy theories are useful only if they help us see where we are now and where we are going, consistent with Bible prophecy. I think it's very important to consider what is going on behind closed doors--by the Powers that Be--who, with the devil's help, are preparing us for what is described in Revelation 13, for example.
 
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Hello Nana, :wave::clap::p

It is interesting that you bring up a subject that holds a lot of interest with me. I think each theory should be looked at separately and decided if there is merit to it or not. I would say that there are some that truly are real and not theory at all. Others are nothing more than rubbish that should be put outside for the garbage truck to take away.

To generalize and just ask the question in the way you did though really does takes away from those that really do exist. I say this because even though I have read many some just for laughs, I still think of the crazy theories as some of the top ones. So if I as a bit of a conspiracy theorist thinks this I know that many who think people like myself are nuts also think the same thing.

This is what takes away from it because each one should be looked at or else the truth cannot be found. Each one must be looked at with a bit of an open mind so that you don&#8217;t instantly toss it out. But at the same time read it with a grain of salt. Basically wait until after you have heard/read it before passing judgment on it. I think though the judgment should come after prayer and comparing it to the bible though.


By the way I chose love them lol.

Love ya and God bless :hug:
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Conspiracy theories are useful only if they help us see where we are now and where we are going, consistent with Bible prophecy. I think it's very important to consider what is going on behind closed doors--by the Powers that Be--who, with the devil's help, are preparing us for what is described in Revelation 13, for example.
Hi theMormon.There is only one Devil working behind the scenes and through people. The bible doesn't break down evil and mention noted evil socieities like the Freemasons, Bilderbergs, Bohemian Grove etc. It does mention an Antichrist, and he will be recognizable for sure!! What would anyone do even if they know about these societies, destroy them ^_^? Jesus will take care of the Devil/Antichrist just fine and all of his evil companions.
Our government is just about as evil as it can get, and I have noticed the more so since this bail out with all of the pork barrel in it....$478 million to Hollywood Producers. I about had a stroke when that was revealed. Sure, "we the people" could stop electing these greedy buzzards, but we don't and we won't!! History tends to repeat itself, and every evil Empire was taken out. I believe that we are next.
 
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