Scripturally Based or Scripturally Sound

[Tube Socks Dude]

Can you back that up with scripture?

When God created male and female He gave them both dominion by telling them equally to fill the earth and subdue it Genesis 1:27-28, and since being one in Jesus Christ means there is neither male nor female Gal. 3:28, both men and women are equal authoritative heirs according to the promise Gal. 3:29.

All things are lawful for me 1 Cor. 10:23 because the end of the commandment is love 1 Tim 1:5 and David’s love for Jonathan surpassed that of women 2 Samuel 1:26.

God is the savior of all men, especially (not exclusively) of those who believe 1 Timothy 4:10, for when God’s judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness Isaiah 26:9, and God will be All in all 1 Cor. 15:28.

 

[JoshButler]

When God created male and female He gave them both dominion by telling them equally to fill the earth and subdue it Genesis 1:27-28, and since being one in Jesus Christ means there is neither male nor female Gal. 3:28, both men and women are equal authoritative heirs according to the promise Gal. 3:29.

God refutes your view in Genesis 3:16, Peter in 1 Peter 3:1-7, and Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2-15, Ephesians 5:22-33, Titus 2:3-5, and Colossians 3:18.

All things are lawful for me 1 Cor. 10:23 because the end of the commandment is love 1 Tim 1:5 and David’s love for Jonathan surpassed that of women 2 Samuel 1:26.

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."- 1 Corinthians 10:23 [emphasis mine]

Leviticus 18:22 declares homosexuality an abmoniation, and that's God talking direct. David is, as the bible declares, a man after God's heart. [Samuel 13:14, Acts 13:22] It would be rational to assume that he would not be a man after God's own heart if he delighted in abomination; moreover, the seven or so wives he had would point to him being pretty straight. There is no mention of homosexual conduct between David and Jonathan and it isn't reasonable to assume there was any. Moreover, the sins recorded of David would seem to show an honest account; if he had committed that sin, it ought to have been recorded, and if the intent was to clean up David why leave the story of Bathsheba?

God is the savior of all men, especially (not exclusively) of those who believe 1 Timothy 4:10, for when God’s judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the whole world will learn righteousness Isaiah 26:9, and God will be All in all 1 Cor. 15:28.

"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."- Revelations 21:5-8

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, and Luke 19:11-27 also teach judgement and punishment:

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."- Luke 19:27

 

[Apollo Celestio]

So are men morally superior to women? This submit yourself to man thing appears to be a woman's curse, not "their intended role". Also, he uses the same word to describe a church leader who happens to be a woman named phoebe.(And also praises her.) You see it in some translations as deaconess, but it actually means minister. (The greek word is "diakanos" I believe.) I think we're equal.

On the other points, Romans 6 helps. We weren't set free from sin to sin freely. Of course what is sin here is a little different, but my initial point remains the same and I'm sure most of you agree we were called to live a life of love and righteousness, not sin.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

God refutes your view in Genesis 3:16, Peter in 1 Peter 3:1-7, and Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2-15, Ephesians 5:22-33, Titus 2:3-5, and Colossians 3:18.

Your interpretation of God's word may be Scripturally based, but my interpetation of God's word is more Scripturally sound.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

Of course what is sin here is a little different, but my initial point remains the same and I'm sure most of you agree we were called to live a life of love and righteousness, not sin.

Hebrews 9:26 says Christ has appeared once for all to put away sin. Therefore I don't believe sin exists anymore, and I think my view is Scripturally sound.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Then why does it say who will not inherit the kingdom? Are you saying all the suffering and strife in the world mean nothing to God? It doesn't offend him? Look around yourself, can you honestly say there is no sin?

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

Leviticus 18:22 declares homosexuality an abmoniation, and that's God talking direct.

The word for abdomination there is toevah/bdelygma, not zimmah/anomia. The meaning of toevah was attached to idolatry in the Pentateuch, and only started to change into general sin later in post-exilic writings. Ask a rabbi and stop leaning to your own understanding.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

Then why does it say who will not inherit the kingdom? Are you saying all the suffering and strife in the world mean nothing to God? It doesn't offend him? Look around yourself, can you honestly say there is no sin?

There is only ignorance and blindness to the salvation which has already been effected by God who was already in Christ not counting anyone's sins. Christ died for the ungodly, not the repentant. For those who are well need not a physician. We were all saved even while yet sinners. Because of temporarily darkened minds, not everyone believes the good news yet, but Christ is the light which ultimately lightens every man/woman who comes into the world, so that God may be All in all. Be saved from your gloomy mistaken perception that God is separated from mankind because of sin! Sin isn't in the equasion anymore. All that is left is lingering unbelief that sin has been put away once for all.

 

[JoshButler]

The word for abdomination there is toevah/bdelygma, not zimmah/anomia. The meaning of toevah was attached to idolatry in the Pentateuch, and only started to change into general sin later in post-exilic writings. Ask a rabbi and stop leaning to your own understanding.

I know what it means a little better than the rabbi, perhaps. Besides which, that doesn't do anything to help your intrepretation of scripture; it's still a sin especially hateful to God.

 

[JoshButler]

Your interpretation of God's word may be Scripturally based, but my interpetation of God's word is more Scripturally sound.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So, by removing your scriptural base and interpreting things in a way that is clearly refuted by the scriptures, you're more scripturally sound?

Do you have scripture to support this?

 

[JoshButler]

So are men morally superior to women? This submit yourself to man thing appears to be a woman's curse, not "their intended role". Also, he uses the same word to describe a church leader who happens to be a woman named phoebe.(And also praises her.) You see it in some translations as deaconess, but it actually means minister. (The greek word is "diakanos" I believe.) I think we're equal.

On the other points, Romans 6 helps. We weren't set free from sin to sin freely. Of course what is sin here is a little different, but my initial point remains the same and I'm sure most of you agree we were called to live a life of love and righteousness, not sin.

Naw, not morally inferior, just different. They're under a curse just like us menfolk are, but that's something done away with in the kingdom of Heaven. Though the differences are pretty real. I mean, I can't birth babies.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

it's still a sin especially hateful to God.

Only when practiced as a non-loving ritual of pagan idol worship. That is the sound interpretation.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So, by removing your scriptural base and interpreting things in a way that is clearly refuted by the scriptures, you're more scripturally sound?

Do you have scripture to support this?

My scriptures are just as scriptural as your scriptures. Your scriptures would support my interpretation if you would stop leaning to your own understanding and filter everything through sound doctrine.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So, by removing your scriptural base and interpreting things in a way that is clearly refuted by the scriptures, you're more scripturally sound?

Do you have scripture to support this?

Whoa, way to go Mr. High and Mighty. :rolls eyes:

 

[Apollo Celestio]

There is only ignorance and blindness to the salvation which has already been effected by God who was already in Christ not counting anyone's sins. Christ died for the ungodly, not the repentant. For those who are well need not a physician. We were all saved even while yet sinners. Because of temporarily darkened minds, not everyone believes the good news yet, but Christ is the light which ultimately lightens every man/woman who comes into the world, so that God may be All in all. Be saved from your gloomy mistaken perception that God is separated from mankind because of sin! Sin isn't in the equasion anymore. All that is left is lingering unbelief that sin has been put away once for all.

So do you think that sin exists because of this delusion? Or has God declared sin not sin? Because as far as we can tell, things described as sinful by the Law of Moses still occur.

 

[artybloke]

things described as sinful by the Law of Moses still occur.

(I hope you're not easily shocked) That's true: PEOPLE STILL EAT PRAWNS!

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

So do you think that sin exists because of this delusion? Or has God declared sin not sin? Because as far as we can tell, things described as sinful by the Law of Moses still occur.

I don't recognize the law given through Moses as having anything to do with the grace and truth which came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17. Also, I didn't say sin exists. Only the delusion exists, which veils grace and truth. It is the false perception of sin, separation, wrath and an angry god which repulses mankind and prevents them from approaching the Father who is already propitated and conciliated before having to be asked, begged, pleaded or bargained with.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

(I hope you're not easily shocked) That's true: PEOPLE STILL EAT PRAWNS!

*gasps of horror*

I don't recognize the law given through Moses as having anything to do with the grace and truth which came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17. Also, I didn't say sin exists. Only the delusion exists, which veils grace and truth. It is the false perception of sin, separation, wrath and an angry god which repulses mankind and prevents them from approaching the Father who is already propitiated and conciliated before having to be asked, begged, pleaded or bargained with.

Too much evil in the world for me to believe something like that. Why must we even have this pointless life of suffering and delusion of sin if there is none? What's the mercy in that? I don't quite get how you've come to this conclusion.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

*gasps of horror*

Too much evil in the world for me to believe something like that. Why must we even have this pointless life of suffering and delusion of sin if there is none? What's the mercy in that? I don't quite get how you've come to this conclusion.

Ishida, There are two stories in the Bible. It is a book of duality. If your reality is one of suffering or opression, and the only way it all makes sense is to have sin, wrath and judgment, then those things are all there for you in the book. I believe both our views can coexist in Scripture. Rather than harmonizing away the differences, I now recognize the validity of both perspectives. I assume your world view is one of (either/or). Mine is a view of (both/and). The conservative mind must make a binary choice to accept or reject a concept. My liberal mind tells me that all paradoxes are resolved as actual complimentary poles of the same thing. Therefore, be assured that sin, judgment, condemnation, punishment for the wicked, and what you would call "justice" are there in the Bible. In that way you are right! You have won your argument. I don't have to fear you winning or cast your story out of the Bible. I'm not afraid because my view of God is so big it contains even the dim, conservative shadow side which needs wrath in order to account for suffering.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

So it's just there to comfort my.. "shadowy conservative" mind? Is it wrong to want justice, or is it just my "conservative mind"? Could you give scriptural support for this? Universal salvation is something I can accept if it's actually there, which from what I have seen, is not. (Not like I don't deserve justice either..)