Roman church errors and inventions

[Philothei]

writings at that point were the OT scriptures and they were likely referring to prophecy

True.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

writings at that point were the OT scriptures and they were likely referring to prophecy. (not that I disagree with the idea of reading scripture and understanding the err in thinking that way - but really - lots of denoms think that... why not pick on them?)

Gretings. Most of the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation is taken from the OC Jewish/Hebrew Scriptures or haven't thou noticed that?

Revelation 15:3 and They are singing the Song of-Moses, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb-kin, saying, `Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!, the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

Exodus 15:1 Then sang Mosheh and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto YHWH, and they spake saying,--"I will sing to YHWH for He is exalted exalted,--The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.
2 My might and melody is Yah, and He became mine salvation/y@shuw'ah.--This is my 'El and I will glorify Him, 'Elohiym of my father and I will set Him on high". '

http://mikeblume.com/symbrev.htm

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation. That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

 

[Meshavrischika]

P, I think it's because they consider themselves to be "the church" as well... doctrinally, I'm sure there are differences or they'd all be one or the other. It's hard not to lump Baptists and Pentacostals together either.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Gretings. Most of the Jewish/Hebrew revelation is taken from the OC Jewish/Hebrew Scriptures or haven't thou noticed that?

Revelation 15:3 and They are singing the Song of-Moses, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb-kin, saying, `Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!, the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

Exodus 15:1 Then sang Mosheh and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto YHWH, and they spake saying,--"I will sing to YHWH for He is exalted exalted,--The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.
2 My might and melody is Yah, and He became mine salvation/y@shuw'ah.--This is my 'El and I will glorify Him, 'Elohiym of my father and I will set Him on high". '

sure, but I don't get your point

 

[Philothei]

Elsanrandimom I was not refering to that... EO is "different" church with RC it is just the way LLOJ was "lumping" us together I disagreed... when he said there are those who are protestant and those who are RC...including there the EO... I thought that to be unfair... We are so much "different" that RC I know they claim to be "the church" but also Protestants do too.. there is no excuse to lump us together.

We might have the same starting point but our churches divided and now we are not one church period...

 

[Anglian]

Wonderful!!! After so many discussions and the Orthodox still get "put together" with the RC!! some things never change... in GT...

Dear Sister in Christ,

As it is written in the Martyrdom of St. Polycarp:
'Blessed and noble, therefore, are all the martyrdoms that have occurred according to the will of God.'
- and on a scale of 1-10 this doesn't even register.

To quote my own beloved Patriarch, Shenouda III:

I wish we could rid ourselves of the formalities that may exist in our relationship with the Lord. We should rid ourselves of the 'dos' and the 'don'ts' that fail to please the Lord. All God desires is your love. Do not worry too much about doing this or not doing that. Liberate yourself from the tyranny of the law and the commandment. Transcend these and replace them with love. With love, you will naturally and spontaneously abide by, and execute, all that the Bible contains. Love will purify your very nature. [Have you see the one I love? p. 15]

Peace to us all,

Anglian

 

[Meshavrischika]

That's likely because you are so similar. (and you're not protestant) BTW I hate all people who are NOT RCC or EO being lumped together in "protestant" for the same reason... but hey, they're gonna do it anyway.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Elsanrandimom I was not refering to that... EO is "different" church with RC it is just the way LLOJ was "lumping" us together I disagreed... when he said there are those who are protestant and those who are RC...including there the EO... I thought that to be unfair... We are so much "different" that RC I know they claim to be "the church" but also Protestants do too.. there is no excuse to lump us together.

We might have the same starting point but our churches divided and now we are not one church period...

Wouldn't you thus say that this prophecy of JESUS is true today?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 12:25 Having known yet, the Jesus, their thoughts He said to them, "every kingdom being-divided against herself is desolated; and every City or House being-divided against herself not shall be standing":

Luke 12:52 "For shall be from the now/present Five in one House divided, three upon two, and two upon three".

Luke 16:28 "For I am having Five Brothers that he may be testifying to them, that no also they may be coming into the place, this, of the torment".

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

sadly, there are still catholics persecuting Christians today as well

http://christianpost.com/article/20...ingly-persecuted-by-traditional-catholics.htm

we should be those who love one another

Well, first of all- Catholics are Christians (the original Christians, in fact). Evangelicals aren't even 50 years old. Secondly, Catholics have been persecuted by protestants since the Reformation began.

Catholics are persecuted here in the United States, especially in the south and in 'evangelical' and fundamentalist areas.

One of the big reasons many of these 'missionary' groups are unliked by local populations- besides the obvious sheep stealing, is the frequent occurance of mismanagement of their resources and the taking of what little money the people have. There are 2 billion Christians and 4.5 billion non-Christians around the world. If they really cared about converting people they'd go after the 4.5 billion non-Christians around the world.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

sure, but I don't get your point

The point is the RCs, Orthodox and Protestants are all divided on the Final Consummation book of Revelation. How come

Luke 17:37 And answering they are saying to Him, "Where Lord"? The yet He said to them, "the-where the carcass, there also the eagles/aetoi <105> shall be being together gathered/sun-acqhsontai <4863> (5701)" [Deuternonmy 28:25]

Reve 19:17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds/orneoiV <3732>, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered/sun-agesqe <4863> (5744)! into the Supper/deipnon <1173> of the Great God. 18 That Ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]

 

[Philothei]

Wouldn't you thus say that this prophecy of JESUS is true today?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 12:25 Having known yet, the Jesus, their thoughts He said to them, "every kingdom being-divided against herself is desolated; and every City or House being-divided against herself not shall be standing":

Luke 12:52 "For shall be from the now/present Five in one House divided, three upon two, and two upon three".

Luke 16:28 "For I am having Five Brothers that he may be testifying to them, that no also they may be coming into the place, this, of the torment".

No because I do not want to read prophecy and try to figure out what it means... cause I could be wrong... The millenisist heressy of the early church was based on people trying to figure out when Christ is coming back... Many groups have tried to predict Christ's second coming and they all were ....false... so why fooling around with that stuff in the first place LLOJ?

God better things to do with my time like pray and discuss about my spiritual matters....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No because I do not want to read prophecy and try to figure out what it means... cause I could be wrong... The millenisist heressy of the early church was based on people trying to figure out when Christ is coming back... Many groups have tried to predict Christ's second coming and they all were ....false... so why fooling around with that stuff in the first place LLOJ?

God better things to do with my time like pray and discuss about my spiritual matters....

I do not consider reading and studying any part of the Bible as fooling around. Thanks for your SARCASM bro. Now back to the topic of Roman error and inventions LOL

John 8:44 "Ye out of a father the Devil are, and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing".

Matthew 21:43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that shall be being taken-away from Ye the Kingdom of the God, and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the fruits of it.

Reve 12:8 and not He is strong, neither Place found of Them still in the Heaven. [Matt 21:43/Reve 20:11]

 

[narnia59]

Well, first of all- Catholics are Christians (the original Christians, in fact). Evangelicals aren't even 50 years old. Secondly, Catholics have been persecuted by protestants since the Reformation began.

Catholics are persecuted here in the United States, especially in the south and in 'evangelical' and fundamentalist areas.

One of the big reasons many of these 'missionary' groups are unliked by local populations- besides the obvious sheep stealing, is the frequent occurance of mismanagement of their resources and the taking of what little money the people have. There are 2 billion Christians and 4.5 billion non-Christians around the world. If they really cared about converting people they'd go after the 4.5 billion non-Christians around the world.

From the reasearch of the World Christian Encyclopedia group:

91% of all Christian outreach/evangelism does not target non-Christians but targets other Christians in World C countries, cities, peoples, populations, or situations.

You think we might ever figure out why we're losing ground?

 

[narnia59]

Dear Sister in Christ,

As it is written in the Martyrdom of St. Polycarp:
'Blessed and noble, therefore, are all the martyrdoms that have occurred according to the will of God.'
- and on a scale of 1-10 this doesn't even register.

To quote my own beloved Patriarch, Shenouda III:


Peace to us all,

Anglian

I just 'peeked' into this thread knowing I was going to regret it. And then I found a post by Anglian, which never fails to be a blessing. I thank you for that from the bottom of my heart.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

From the reasearch of the World Christian Encyclopedia group:

91% of all Christian outreach/evangelism does not target non-Christians but targets other Christians in World C countries, cities, peoples, populations, or situations.

You think we might ever figure out why we're losing ground?

Greetings. From what I hear, the Catholics do not try to evangelize Jews or Muslims. Is that correct? I saw that mentioned on this MJ board.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7260697&page=26
How does a Jew begin to believe in a triune God?

 

[Philothei]

I do not consider reading and studying any part of the Bible as fooling around. Thanks for your SARCASM bro.

I did not mean you do that. To an extent though it can lead to that... when one thinks that he can interpret the Revelation Forgive me if it came out that strong... not a native english speaker here....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I did not mean you do that. To an extent though it can lead to that... when one thinks that he can interpret the Revelation Forgive me if it came out that strong... not a native english speaker here....

That is ok bro. It seems like the Orthodox denomination is about the only one that has not delved into that book. The Catholics think most of it is fulfilled while a lot of Protestants view it as all future.
That book is one reason Christianity is so diveded me thinks. Just trying to get the Orthodox interested in it. Peace.

Isaiah 66:22 "That as-which the-heavens the-New-ones, and-the-land, the-New, which I Making ones-standing before/to-faces-of-Me, declaration-of YHWH, so he-shall-stand seed-of-ye and-name-of-ye

Matthew 5:18 "For amen I am saying to ye, till ever may-be-passing-away the Heaven and the Land, iota one or one horn not no may-be-passing-away from the Law, till ever all shall-be-becoming" [Revelation 21:1,6]

Revelation 21:1 And I perceived a-Heaven, New, and a-Land, New, for the first heaven and the first land pass-away/......
6 And He said to me:" it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). . [Isaiah 65:17]

 

[Philothei]

That's likely because you are so similar. (and you're not protestant) BTW I hate all people who are NOT RCC or EO being lumped together in "protestant" for the same reason... but hey, they're gonna do it anyway.

I agree with that also... But then again like Anglian said... We are to be martyrs so i will bow out and let the wiser and more patient continue...

Thanks Anglian... I never though forget my martydom do not worry I carry a cross ...already by being orthodox... sometimes is feels heavier to carry that of the RC too ..... too much is jut that too much... lol....

 

[Anglian]

That is ok bro. It seems like the Orthodox denomination is about the only one that has not delved into that book. The Catholics think most of it is fulfilled while a lot of Protestants view it as all future.
That book is one reason Christianity is so diveded me thinks. Just trying to get the Orthodox interested in it. Peace. ]

Dear LLOJ,

You are certainly doing your best - and a good job at that.

We are, perhaps, broken, but not divided, and at the end, we shall know what we only grasp now in part. But an humble and a contrite heart He will not despise.

Too much division, too much contention, too little love. Do we all err? Is there one who is righteous, except for the Lord? My sins are scarlet, yet He can make me white; should I not then forgive, even as I hope for forgiveness? Does Rome err? Is it filled with humans? We err and stray from His ways like lost sheep - but He is the Good Shepherd.

Have we time to point a finger at the sins of others? It sometimes seems that there is scarce time to recollect my own, let alone try to repent of them. Let the dead bury the dead, and let us all pray for forgiveness in true repentance.

Peace upon this house,

Anglian

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

The Roman church still pretending to have authority of the apostles...



"But that they who are at Rome do not observe those things in all cases which are handed down from the beginning, and vainly pretend the authority of the apostles...Whence it appears that this tradition is of men which maintains heretics, and asserts that they have baptism, which belongs to the Church alone....For as a heretic may not lawfully ordain nor lay on hands, so neither may he baptize, nor do any thing holily or spiritually, since he is an alien from spiritual and deifying sanctity....And this indeed you Africans are able to say against Stephen [bishop of Rome], that when you knew the truth you forsook the error of custom. But we join custom to truth, and to the Romans' custom we oppose custom, but the custom of truth; holding from the beginning that which was delivered by Christ and the apostles." (in Cyprian's Letter 74:6-7, 74:19)

In Him,

Bill