Question for watchman and warners.

[charityagape]

This is a serious question, I hear, we all hear over and over the warnings against:

Todd Bently
Benny Hinn
Kenneth Copeland.....Actually the whole line of WOF
Well I can't think of any others because I don't take the warnings seriously.

Okay here is the deal.

If you are a outspoken critic of any minister and you consider it your duty or calling to warn us here about them.......if you go so far as to consider yourself a God appointed watchman..........I want to know.

What do YOU do to minister to others. How many people have you shared the gospel with? How many miracles have you been used of God to perform? Healings?

I want to know what YOU have done for God, then I can decide (we all can decide) if your warnings should be given a second glance.

 

[Elijah2]

This is a serious question, I hear, we all hear over and over the warnings against:

Todd Bently
Benny Hinn
Kenneth Copeland.....Actually the whole line of WOF
Well I can't think of any others because I don't take the warnings seriously.

Okay here is the deal.

If you are a outspoken critic of any minister and you consider it your duty or calling to warn us here about them.......if you go so far as to consider yourself a God appointed watchman..........I want to know.

What do YOU do to minister to others. How many people have you shared the gospel with? How many miracles have you been used of God to perform? Healings?

I want to know what YOU have done for God, then I can decide (we all can decide) if your warnings should be given a second glance.

Good points CA, but I thought HIS SHEEP were HIS SERVANTS and we are all equal. But it appears that you are forming a pyramid of where who is and where they stand on the pyramid. It appears to be a multi-level marketing scheme.

Yep, I wonder how many watchmen have brought people to our Lord Jesus Christ, and I wonder if they yell from the rooftops to pronounce their achievements.

MMMmmm, it appears that some have this and some that doesn't come into the picture of your imagination.

Yep, I wonder how many seeds that I have planted in my lifetime, whether they were accepted now or whether they will germinate in truth later on down the track.

We will neve know will we, CA? And we will find out when the time comes to face our judge, won't we CA?

I also wonder if they run around wearing medals for that distinction to be called a fisher of men, and how I wonder how many must you bring to our Lord Jesus Christ to earn a medal.

As His Word says to test all spirits, and not the certificates on the wall.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[charityagape]

You're the self proclaimed watchmen, shouldn't you be able to provide your qualifications to do this.............as for pyramid scheme of people on top or bottom, I'm not doing that. I'm asking you your qualifications to complete chuck people off the "pyramid" altogether.

As for my question, you don't have any answers to give us about what you're doing? I mean.........the testimonies would build our faith...........aren't we supposed to spend out time talking of what God is doing?

You spend plenty of time talking about what YOU think God is not doing, I just want to hear what He IS doing..........if not through you.........then at least you can name some things God is doing, not just warn us off these, what? "False Prophets"?

 

[probinson]

In my observation, the watchmen don't like to be watched...

 

[The Weaker Brother]

i have sad,seasonal affect disorder

 

[Questioning Christian]

This is a serious question, I hear, we all hear over and over the warnings against:

Todd Bently
Benny Hinn
Kenneth Copeland.....Actually the whole line of WOF
Well I can't think of any others because I don't take the warnings seriously.

Okay here is the deal.

If you are a outspoken critic of any minister and you consider it your duty or calling to warn us here about them.......if you go so far as to consider yourself a God appointed watchman..........I want to know.

What do YOU do to minister to others. How many people have you shared the gospel with? How many miracles have you been used of God to perform? Healings?

I want to know what YOU have done for God, then I can decide (we all can decide) if your warnings should be given a second glance.

Someone should ask you the same question, since you're treating these people the way you accuse them of treating Godd Bentley.

 

[Questioning Christian]

In my observation, the watchmen don't like to be watched...

Yeah, but you do to people what you accuse them of doing to Todd Bentley.

 

[charityagape]

God bless you, Steven. I really hope you get over the compulsion to go on and on like this and then have to apologize to everyone.

 

[Questioning Christian]

God bless you, Steven. I really hope you get over the compulsion to go on and on like this and then have to apologize to everyone.

Wow, faulting someone for apologizing to people.

Says way more about you than you are attempting to say about me.

 

[charityagape]

I'm not faulting your apologies, they're always very nice. I'm not faulting you at all, I just wish you'd stop needing to apologize.

 

[siege]

We should not be "parading" or "shouting" our accomplishments in the Lord...one...to do so only leads to pointing at "self" as the "accomplisher" rather than the Lord...two...boasting leads to, and is a sign of, pride...satan's own downfall.

Nor should we be holding up a measuring stick to compare one's accomplishments with another. If they are God's deeds how large or small they are does not matter period.

If its God's work, then we are merely "walking in" what is His and it is not ours to claim for glory, for comparison, for merit or any other reason.

That being said...the problem with the TB topic, and countless others, is that some have not really gone about the whole "watchman" role...if that is what we are calling it...properly.

Some have brought up his past discretions....we all know a person can find Jesus, repent, be forgiven and remade, strive to change their life for the better of the Lord and those discretions are erased. We do not know TB's heart and mind...only God does, so "not knowing" renders his past irrelevant.

Some have brought in articles showing what other people say about him (both pro- and con-)...the problem here is that these are all merely other people's opinions and we do not know what their motives are...among other factors...rendering these irrelevant.

Some have tried to tell you what to believe while trying to tell you not to be believing things just because other people tell you to...the problem here is obvious.

What is relevant is what he has recently written to teach others, what is relevant is what he has recently preached to others to teach others. These demonstrate "what" he believes and "what" he is teaching to others right now...at this moment.

These things should be brought up and we should be simply reminding people to test what they see and hear...everything they see and hear. We should be encouraging "them" to test it against scripture, test it with Holy Spirit...we can point out things that maybe need testing...we can help guide some in how they can test it for themselves. We should not be telling them "what" to believe. We are ALL told to test...not just some of us are to test and demand everyone else to buy our results.

Some have done this...unfortunately the others have mussed it all up, rendering the efforts of the others worthless. They have put people on the defensive...effectively closing their eyes and ears to wanting to hear anymore whether it is truthful or not. They are dragged into the mud with the improper, and judgmental, and accusatory words.

Isaiah says it best in The Ascension of Isaiah:

Chapter 3

21. And afterwards, on the eve of His approach, His disciples will forsake the teachings of the Twelve Apostles, and their faith, and their love and their purity.
22. And there will be much contention on the eve of [His advent and] His approach.
23. And in those days many will love office, though devoid of wisdom.
24. And there will be many lawless elders, and shepherds dealing wrongly by their own sheep, and they will ravage (them) owing to their not having holy shepherds.
25. And many will change the honour of the garments of the saints for the garments of the covetous, and there will be much respect of persons in those days and lovers of the honour of this world.
26. And there will be much slander and vainglory at the approach of the Lord, and the Holy Spirit will withdraw from many.
27. And there will not be in those days many prophets, nor those who speak trustworthy words, save one here and there in divers places,
28. On account of the spirit of error and fornication and of vainglory, and of covetousness, which shall be in those, who will be called servants of that One and in those who will receive that One.
29. And there will be great hatred in the shepherds and elders towards each other.
30. For there will be great jealousy in the last days; for every one will say what is pleasing in his own eyes.
31. And they will make of none effect the prophecy of the prophets which were before me, and these my visions also will they make of none effect, in order to speak after the impulse of their own hearts.

 

[Zugzwang]

Excuse me, but isn't this line of verbage what THE WORLD uses against christians when they witness EVERY SINGLE DAY?

"What right do you have to tell me i'm going to hell?"
"You think you're better than me?"
"Why don't you just keep your "opinions" to yourself?"
"Live and let live."

Nice.

 

[charityagape]

People. I'm asking you to tell me how God is using you.............that's not parading your accomplishments. If God is using you, you've accomplished nothing, HE HAS. And the bible is full of testifying to what GOD has done.

SO instead of tearing down others who may (or may not in your opinion) how about telling us what God is doing in and through you?

What's so difficult about that?

 

[charityagape]

In my observation, the watchmen don't like to be watched...

You're right, they get seriously cranky.

 

[nephilimiyr]

In my observation, the watchmen don't like to be watched...

From the book of Yeahbut.

Yeahbut 24:7, Thou shalt not ever watch my watchmen, or otherwise do to them what they do to people they are to be watching.

 

[probinson]

Yeah, but you do to people what you accuse them of doing to Todd Bentley.

I know. That whole sowing and reaping thing can be a real pain...

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

This is a serious question, I hear, we all hear over and over the warnings against:

Todd Bently
Benny Hinn
Kenneth Copeland.....Actually the whole line of WOF
Well I can't think of any others because I don't take the warnings seriously.

Okay here is the deal.

If you are a outspoken critic of any minister and you consider it your duty or calling to warn us here about them.......if you go so far as to consider yourself a God appointed watchman..........I want to know.

What do YOU do to minister to others. How many people have you shared the gospel with? How many miracles have you been used of God to perform? Healings?

I want to know what YOU have done for God, then I can decide (we all can decide) if your warnings should be given a second glance.

The biblical mandate is to watch and discern and decry bad doctrine. But bad attitudes in doing so are NOT.

I do consider myself, as a leader in the Body (when the Lord has allowed), a watchmen. That is one of the key functions of the poimenas (shepherd/pastor) in guiding their flock that has been entrusted to them.

 

[Elijah2]

You're the self proclaimed watchmen, shouldn't you be able to provide your qualifications to do this.............as for pyramid scheme of people on top or bottom, I'm not doing that. I'm asking you your qualifications to complete chuck people off the "pyramid" altogether.

As for my question, you don't have any answers to give us about what you're doing? I mean.........the testimonies would build our faith...........aren't we supposed to spend out time talking of what God is doing?

You spend plenty of time talking about what YOU think God is not doing, I just want to hear what He IS doing..........if not through you.........then at least you can name some things God is doing, not just warn us off these, what? "False Prophets"?

Now CA, when did I proclaim that I was HIS watchman, and I mean PROCLAIM???

Now secondly, are you sure that is all His Word is written about tell everyone what God is doing? You mean to tell me that there is nothing else.

Nothing about the war that is going one about us, the Armour of God, all those principalities and powers that are seducing and deceiving Christians through the doctrine of demons, and all the EMPTY deceit of the philosophy of the world that flows through the foyers of the Body of Christ.

All those many THINGS that Paul warns us of in his writings, before he died.

Well, HE did come to heal the broken-hearted, set the captives free, deliver them from evil, heal their sicknesses, and cast out their demons.

Now, why shouldn't I warn HIS PEOPLE of the many false prophets who are around these days.

Now, I if you intend to disregard any warning given, then that is up to you. And whether I am a Disciple of our Lord Jesus Christ or His Watchman, I don't have to proved anything to you or anyone else.

Now if I am seduced and deceived from my personal experiences of the powers of darkness, and false teachers and prophets, then I will answer our Lord Jesus Christ in the time to come.

I am sure HE knows my heart of willingness to serve HIM, and those struggling Christians who are being harassed, tormented, and influenced by Satan and his forces.

Now if I speak the words that I have spoken, which was in sincerity, because you didn't like what I posted about false prophets, then than is your decision and choice.

Now, your accusations or baiting toward me is like water off a duck's back.

There maybe other people who have read my postings, and didn't comment. Therefore, maybe I planted a seed for those people to be very wary. Now that is all it's all about. No "mickey-mouse" points for bagging TB, which I haven't been doing but putting forth my concerns.

Oh, by the way, how many troubled and tormented Christians have you helped to be set free from captivity of seductions and deception, and healed their inner soul of their guilt, shame, and emotional feelings and hurts. How many have you brought to forgiveness??

You see CA, there are millions of Christian out there who are suffering from the very thing that you are defending.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

People. I'm asking you to tell me how God is using you.............that's not parading your accomplishments. If God is using you, you've accomplished nothing, HE HAS. And the bible is full of testifying to what GOD has done.

SO instead of tearing down others who may (or may not in your opinion) how about telling us what God is doing in and through you?

What's so difficult about that?

CA, here you go again, who is prarading their accomplishments??

Who is tearing down anyone??

I'm not, I haven't directed verbal attacks toward you or anyone else but to defend what I said, and not what I am supposed have said, that is, being accused of PROCLAIMING.

I have only posted warnings in my own personal opinion, and I get accused of defamation.

Well what HE is doing through me right now, has caused a rift between certain people on a Christian forum who disagree with TRUTH.

His Word says about exposing the works of darkness, and those people who do things in SECRET!

His Word warns us continually of the "wiles of the enemy". What do you do to warn immature Christians of the snares and traps of the enemy?

His Word warns us continually to put on the Armour of God.

His Word wrns us continually of the works of false teachers and prophets.

It's never-ending telling us to be aware, beware, and don't be unaware.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[siege]

CA, here you go again, who is prarading their accomplishments??

Who is tearing down anyone??

I'm not, I haven't directed verbal attacks toward you or anyone else but to defend what I said, and not what I am supposed have said, that is, being accused of PROCLAIMING.

I have only posted warnings in my own personal opinion, and I get accused of defamation.

Well what HE is doing through me right now, has caused a rift between certain people on a Christian forum who disagree with TRUTH.

His Word says about exposing the works of darkness, and those people who do things in SECRET!

His Word warns us continually of the "wiles of the enemy". What do you do to warn immature Christians of the snares and traps of the enemy?

His Word warns us continually to put on the Armour of God.

His Word wrns us continually of the works of false teachers and prophets.

It's never-ending telling us to be aware, beware, and don't be unaware.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

I think what you quoted here was actually directed at my post above where I mentioned that we should not be "parading our accomplishments" for the Lord, in "my" taking of the OP seeming to be asking for a resume of past works in order to decide who was speaking the truth or not. I may have understood that incorrectly. I don't think she was saying that anyone was parading them.