Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A.

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Get over yourself, there are no shortage of examples of limits to free speech in America. Has your right to freedom of expression suffered because of this? No, certain uses of these freedoms serves only to harm society beyond and reasonable necessity and thus has no place in society. Germany has banned the support and display of neo-Nazism in an effort to leave that dark aspect of it’s past in the past and move on for the benefit of the entire German society. America would be at no ill effect to do the same with the racist and dark legacy of the C.S.A, which still retains a small but steadfast and violent minority of support especially in the Southern U.S among the racist white population.
I'm very sorry my friend, but America is kinda "all about" the whole freedom of speech thing.

What is the old saying, "I hate what you say, but I'll die for your right to say it." ? Is that it?

I'm personally repelled in the worst way by racists and bigots, but I really would die for their freedom to spew their hateful tripe. Point of fact: Thousands already have.
 
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I'm very sorry my friend, but America is kinda "all about" the whole freedom of speech thing.

Not in practice. Limits on freedom of speech/expression have been placed by both State and Federal governments and upheld by all levels of US courts. America's limits on speech are no where near that of many repressive states even less stringent than most liberal democracys in the west. But even in America the freedom of speech is not absolute, there are legitimate and reasonable limits placed on it. It is not a hard argument to state that a reasonable limit would be one to eliminate somethings which sole purpose of that of the promotion hate and racism.
 
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This sounds like the equivalent of a Christian Taliban. Since you obviously hate America and everything she stands for, then maybe you should leave. Go off and live your hate-filled anti-American "dream" somewhere else.

I have to call it!!! Shields Law #1!

LAW 1. : EVERY time a real born again Christian speaks against any left wing policy/thought/idea they will be labeled with the word "HATE" instantly, or somewhere in the thread.

This Law will be hereby and forever known as Shield Of Faith's Law #1. Or Shields Law #1. Or SOF's Law #1.


Thanx for proving the law still stands!!! :thumbsup:
 
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I have to call it!!! Shields Law #1!

LAW 1. : EVERY time a real born again Christian speaks against any left wing policy/thought/idea they will be labeled with the word "HATE" instantly, or somewhere in the thread.

This Law will be hereby and forever known as Shield Of Faith's Law #1. Or Shields Law #1. Or SOF's Law #1.


Thanx for proving the law still stands!!! :thumbsup:

No...you'll just be labeled with the word "hate" when you propose to resurrect a defeated nation whose main claim to fame was the enslavement of an entire race.
 
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He is textbook Calvanist.

Though Luther was the progenitor of the Protestant movement; he was not God. The doctrines you listed are widely disputed within the various Protestant churches now extant in the US. To be honest, it is pretty fair to say that these tenets are outside of the mainstream within the US.

This nation would quickly fail. As religious theories changed within the churches the support structure for the nation would crack.

Though it would be amazing to see a Christian Taliban start up on the North American continent. I would love to see the hard talk on "religious extremism" with a nation full of nukes and fundies right on our border.

Yea, right. Anyone who doesn't want babies being butchered through ABORTION, or homosexuals running wild, is instantly the Taliban!!!

"Look Marge! He hates abortion: Must be the Taliban!"

"Wow, did you see that? He got all bent out of shape when the homosexuals ran through the streets of the city on their floats in that parade wearing ladies lingerie throwing condoms at children: Must be the Taliban!"

Give me a break. Peddle your hatred for Fundamentalists somewhere else.
 
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No...you'll just be labeled with the word "hate" when you propose to resurrect a defeated nation whose main claim to fame was the enslavement of an entire race.

Wrong again. I was labeled with hate because I spoke against the pet sin of the left. Homosexuality.

It brings about Shields Law #1 every time.
 
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It’s a shame that people in America still support the legacy of the Confederate states…. But I guess there are still Nazis in Germany as well. Maybe America should take note of Germany and ban support for Confederates and their symbols to rid the nation of and resemblance of that racist and evil legacy.

Chris, please, PLEASE, show me where you racist evil here?

Seriously: please...

In establishing a New Nation, We the People of the Confederate States Of America do hereby hold these truths wholesome and eternal.

1. GOD is the creator and sustainer of all life on this planet. As well as the creator of everything inside and outside of the universe. Jesus Christ is God the Son the second person of the holy trinity. He was born of a virgin named Miriam, lived a perfect and sinless life. He was crucified, died, and was buried. He rose up from the dead on the third day. Forty days later He ascended to the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. Salvation is through Him and Him alone. There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved. Jesus Christ is the savior and there is none other. He is blessed forever. Amen.

2. We have the right to life and no one person or group can take away the right to life, save in cases of capital punishment. All human beings, born or unborn have the right to life. Only those who have committed crimes worthy of capital punishment, can have their lives taken from them.

3. Homosexuality is a sin and a complete abomination unto GOD. All attempts to create a sense of normalcy, and attempts to create laws to promote this vile sin are wicked, and against GOD.

4. The worship of GOD is wholesome and good. All Christians should have the right to worship GOD as they see fit. All attempts at stopping the worship of GOD are immoral and wicked. No man or group has the right to prevent the true worship of GOD.

5. Marxist Communism in all it's forms is wicked and evil. It is inspired by lucifer and should be driven from the face of the earth.

We the People of the New Confederate States Of America, hereby state these truths and hold them firm. We will strive to keep ourselves pure and stay close to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

We are a Christian Nation and will ever be so. No other faith will be officially recognized as the faith of this Nation. This will be true now, and forever more. Amen.

Now may the Lord Jesus Christ bless us all. Amen.
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Where is it??????? I don't see it? Where is it please?
 
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Shield, I truly have to ask this. This is a serious question meant with all honesty.

Why do you come here? NO ONE actually agrees with you, you get basically hammered by everybody and their mother just walking through the door if you dont get laughed at. Whats the point?

The Word of God and Truth.

I am here to uphold the Word of God. I am here to speak Truth.

What's wrong with creating a New Nation? What?

What would cause you so much grief? Someone did something that you didn't want to do? That is why you would be so against the idea? What?
 
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I'm very sorry my friend, but America is kinda "all about" the whole freedom of speech thing.

What is the old saying, "I hate what you say, but I'll die for your right to say it." ? Is that it?

I'm personally repelled in the worst way by racists and bigots, but I really would die for their freedom to spew their hateful tripe. Point of fact: Thousands already have.

Parmenio, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, show me where you see Racism, Bigotry, and Hate here:

In establishing a New Nation, We the People of the Confederate States Of America do hereby hold these truths wholesome and eternal.

1. GOD is the creator and sustainer of all life on this planet. As well as the creator of everything inside and outside of the universe. Jesus Christ is God the Son the second person of the holy trinity. He was born of a virgin named Miriam, lived a perfect and sinless life. He was crucified, died, and was buried. He rose up from the dead on the third day. Forty days later He ascended to the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. Salvation is through Him and Him alone. There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved. Jesus Christ is the savior and there is none other. He is blessed forever. Amen.

2. We have the right to life and no one person or group can take away the right to life, save in cases of capital punishment. All human beings, born or unborn have the right to life. Only those who have committed crimes worthy of capital punishment, can have their lives taken from them.

3. Homosexuality is a sin and a complete abomination unto GOD. All attempts to create a sense of normalcy, and attempts to create laws to promote this vile sin are wicked, and against GOD.

4. The worship of GOD is wholesome and good. All Christians should have the right to worship GOD as they see fit. All attempts at stopping the worship of GOD are immoral and wicked. No man or group has the right to prevent the true worship of GOD.

5. Marxist Communism in all it's forms is wicked and evil. It is inspired by lucifer and should be driven from the face of the earth.

We the People of the New Confederate States Of America, hereby state these truths and hold them firm. We will strive to keep ourselves pure and stay close to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

We are a Christian Nation and will ever be so. No other faith will be officially recognized as the faith of this Nation. This will be true now, and forever more. Amen.

Now may the Lord Jesus Christ bless us all. Amen.
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I don't see it. Where is it? Where? :o

If you are going to make a post with slanderous tones, please back them up. Show me where the Racism is here? Come on!
 
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Killing them only serves to make them martyrs. They need a dose of the real world. Which often involves them being pulled away from their cults.

The Protestant Reformation is now considered a cult? You are seriously going to call Martin Luther a cultist???

Are you serious? Or are you making some kind of ridiculous joke?
 
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This post sounds small and frightened.
Actually, this post is bored, and tired.

I've tried to hammer to your head just HOW wrong your talk is.

Secession is what your buddies and mine, the terrorists in the Middle East WANT. While we're at each other's throats, they'll come, take both of us out, and then America and your sorry excuse of a country will both come under Sharia law before you can say TULIP ten times.

Second, you will have NOTHING upon secession. The New Confederacy will return to the Dark Ages putting social issues above EVERYTHING, from economy to foreign policy. You collapse in a couple years, tops, because all you cry out is "abortion, abortion, homosexuality, abortion!" while not doing a thing about your economy or foreign policy. There will be some that will try, but social policy will be at the forefront.

The Confederacy lost the Civil War because they were too lazy to fight, they had no will to.

Your New Confederacy will also fail, because your will is a lot weaker than you think it is.
 
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The Protestant Reformation is now considered a cult? You are seriously going to call Martin Luther a cultist???

Are you serious? Or are you making some kind of ridiculous joke?
no. I'm a Lutheran myself. But if your church encourages you to say what you do I think it resembles a cult quite a bit. As has been pointed out, your CSA would remove God's greatest gift to us, the gift of free will. Which enables us to love Him. But also to walk away from Him.

Yes, Christ is the only way to God. Yes, He would want us all to be Christians.
No, forcing people into Christianity is not compatible with Christianity. You can see some other religions doing it. But not Christianity.
God's greatest gift to us is free will. What you propose will remove the ability to have a free will. To have opinions of our own. Remember the parable of the prodigal son?
Did his father let his son go, or did he tie him down and force him to stay saying "I know what's best for you son. You stay here."
No. His father gave him what his inheritance would be, and let him go.

As for left wing politics which you love to hate (or so it seems, correct me if I am wrong) left wing politics do not equate Stalinism. It does not equate Maoism. Nor does it equate Marxism. Socialism is much much older than Marx.
It does, however, contain several strong socialistic principles. Not saying Christianity was built on socialism. I am saying Christianity inspired many forms of socialism.
[BIBLE]Acts 2:44-45[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]Acts 4:34-37[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]Exodus 16:16-18[/BIBLE]
There are more, but these are probably the most well known. The sermon of the mount has also been instrumental to many Christian socialists. So far SoF I do not see you responding to these, just ignoring them because they are uncomfortable. I must ask you though, why are you against socialism? Surely you have learned by now that socialism is not totalitarian. That it is not contrary to competition or economic growth. Surely by now you know that in several nations that are quite socialist today - the socialism bloomed out of a large Christian revival?! That was the case here. But most Americans are blind to this fact, and seem like a dented record when all they do is mentioning the Soviet Gulags - which in themselves have nothing to do with socialism, and everything to do with a crazed leader who'd be just as murderous regardless of what economic policy he followed. Or claimed to follow.

I must also ask you, what would you consider a capital offense. Any sin which holds it in the bible?
 
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Actually, this post is bored, and tired.

I've tried to hammer to your head just HOW wrong your talk is.

Secession is what your buddies and mine, the terrorists in the Middle East WANT. While we're at each other's throats, they'll come, take both of us out, and then America and your sorry excuse of a country will both come under Sharia law before you can say TULIP ten times.

Second, you will have NOTHING upon secession. The New Confederacy will return to the Dark Ages putting social issues above EVERYTHING, from economy to foreign policy. You collapse in a couple years, tops, because all you cry out is "abortion, abortion, homosexuality, abortion!" while not doing a thing about your economy or foreign policy. There will be some that will try, but social policy will be at the forefront.

The Confederacy lost the Civil War because they were too lazy to fight, they had no will to.

Your New Confederacy will also fail, because your will is a lot weaker than you think it is.
That's what I thought. No answer.
 
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The Word of God and Truth.

I am here to uphold the Word of God. I am here to speak Truth.
The problem is that you dont have anything to verify to the rest of us that you...well...arent just a little nutty. You've got nothing but your word.

What's wrong with creating a New Nation? What?
Nothing, except for the fact that you dont seem to have a whole lot of backup

What would cause you so much grief? Someone did something that you didn't want to do? That is why you would be so against the idea? What?
The very idea of a nation such as the one you propose offends my Socialist sensibilities down to their very core. If by some INCREDIBLE turn of events you were able to make this new country, I would be first in line to help its residents create a revolutionary movement to over-throw your government. I think it would be a theological tyranny of the highest order and respect for people's and worker's rights would go out the window.
 
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Actually, this post is bored, and tired.

I've tried to hammer to your head just HOW wrong your talk is.

Secession is what your buddies and mine, the terrorists in the Middle East WANT. While we're at each other's throats, they'll come, take both of us out, and then America and your sorry excuse of a country will both come under Sharia law before you can say TULIP ten times.

Second, you will have NOTHING upon secession. The New Confederacy will return to the Dark Ages putting social issues above EVERYTHING, from economy to foreign policy. You collapse in a couple years, tops, because all you cry out is "abortion, abortion, homosexuality, abortion!" while not doing a thing about your economy or foreign policy. There will be some that will try, but social policy will be at the forefront.

The Confederacy lost the Civil War because they were too lazy to fight, they had no will to.

Your New Confederacy will also fail, because your will is a lot weaker than you think it is.

1. Economy! Economy! Economy! That's all I ever hear about. YOU WILL HAVE NO ECONOMY IF MOST OF YOUR PEOPLE ARE DEAD BECAUSE GOD LAID THE EVER LOVING SMACK DOWN UPON YOU, VIA HURRICANES/ EARTHQUAKES/ FIRES/ FLOODS/ FAMINES/ PESTILENCE/ DIRTY BOMBS...ECT..

2. The Confederacy lost because of arms, munitions, and men. LAZY??? Go tell that to all those who died at Bull Run, Shiloh, Seven Pines or Gettysburg.
 
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1. Economy! Economy! Economy! That's all I ever hear about. YOU WILL HAVE NO ECONOMY IF MOST OF YOUR PEOPLE ARE DEAD BECAUSE GOD LAID THE EVER LOVING SMACK DOWN UPON YOU, VIA HURRICANES/ EARTHQUAKES/ FIRES/ FLOODS/ FAMINES/ PESTILENCE/ DIRTY BOMBS...ECT..

2. The Confederacy lost because of arms, munitions, and men. LAZY??? Go tell that to all those who died at Bull Run, Shiloh, Seven Pines or Gettysburg.
A shortage of arms, munitions, and men did the Confederacy no harm in the early stages of the war.

Let's face it. The CSA had no will to keep fighting.

Second, I speak of the economy because you can take your moral values and stick it up where the sun don't shine... WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO FEED YOUR FAMILY!

See, I can write in capitals too.

Off to bed I go...
 
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The problem is that you dont have anything to verify to the rest of us that you...well...arent just a little nutty. You've got nothing but your word.

Nothing, except for the fact that you dont seem to have a whole lot of backup

The very idea of a nation such as the one you propose offends my Socialist sensibilities down to their very core. If by some INCREDIBLE turn of events you were able to make this new country, I would be first in line to help its residents create a revolutionary movement to over-throw your government. I think it would be a theological tyranny of the highest order and respect for people's and worker's rights would go out the window.

Theological tyranny? To have Jesus Christ as your savior is now tyranny?

Workers' rights? They would be working. They would have the right to work. Where's the problem?
 
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