Another Important Poll: Who constitutes a VOTING MEMBER?

Who constitutes a VOTING MEMBER?

  • Torah Scrolls and Menorahs and those MJs who have other faith icons who are on our list

  • all of the above and those with Star of David icons

  • all who are active members with MJ who have been posting with us for 3 months or more


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Tishri1

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OK here is the big one, some may be offended if they are left out but please try to vote from your heart...This is a viewable poll everyone can see your answers and is not the same as the poll recently that said who could post in MJ or the one recently that said who could moderate MJ....

This poll is for who can vote in MJ polls and post in the wiki and thus have a voice in MJ affairs of government....

The choices reflect how much freedom of expression will MJs offer to those who are not MJ , and as I have said before this it is ok to start out with a wide brush or choose a narrow brush, because all these FSRs can be changed from time to time since our whole structure now is one of consensus, so if we dont like something we can change it in the future....
 

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I haven't voted yet - I like a combination of 2 & 3 - Scrolls, Menorahs, Stars who have been posting for 3 months or more without significant violation of the FSRs ... but who is going to keep track of all this??
 
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As a former outsider, I like it where we are all free to post.

I don't know about others, but I felt like a black in the south assigned to the back of the bus, speak when spoken to.
That wasn't right then and it is not something I relish going back to.

Just allowing my feelings flow.

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As a former outsider, I like it where we are all free to post.

I don't know about others, but I felt like a black in the south assigned to the back of the bus, speak when spoken to.
That wasn't right then and it is not something I relish going back to.

Just allowing my feelings flow.

Shalom
A_P this is not a poll about who can post :) everyone can still post, as long as they post within the FSRs... :)

This is a poll about who can vote on the FSRs.... a very different matter :)
 
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I haven't voted yet - I like a combination of 2 & 3 - Scrolls, Menorahs, Stars who have been posting for 3 months or more without significant violation of the FSRs ... but who is going to keep track of all this??
I like that you added here :thumbsup:the part about someone who hasnt been in violation :thumbsup:I would say who hasnt had a FSB in a year, like if someone receives a FSB then for a year they are NOT here as active members and loose that privilege till that year is over sound good? We can add it to any of these choices afterwards:wave:
 
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I like the no violations requirement.
I was stuck between 2 and 3. I'd like any regular poster to be able be to vote in polls that affect them if they don't violate the rules and cause trouble.

That would be the kind of thing that could be tracked. Can we can always change our minds later but I really wish we could firm some stuff up.
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I like the no violations requirement.
I was stuck between 2 and 3. I'd like any regular poster to be able be to vote in polls that affect them if they don't violate the rules and cause trouble.

That would be the kind of thing that could be tracked. Can we can always change our minds later but I really wish we could firm some stuff up.
bananna

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I agree...
 
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Who constitutes a VOTING MEMBER?
Torah Scrolls and Menorahs and those MJs who have other faith icons who are on our list
Since this 'our list' was compiled before the reforms of 7/7, and put into effect by someone who doesn't even support CF any longer,why is it still valid today? If someone has strong attachments to another faith, or denomination than MJ why should they be allowed to vote for what MJ's want in their forum? If all these are included how is this really a forum for MJ's? I think MJ's, both those who are Torah scroll and menorah should be the ones to determine the perameters of this forum, else it ceases to be their home congregational forum.
 
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Who constitutes a VOTING MEMBER?

Since this 'our list' was compiled before the reforms of 7/7, and put into effect by someone who doesn't even support CF any longer,why is it still valid today? If someone has strong attachments to another faith, or denomination than MJ why should they be allowed to vote for what MJ's want in their forum? If all these are included how is this really a forum for MJ's? I think MJ's, both those who are Torah scroll and menorah should be the ones to determine the perameters of this forum, else it ceases to be their home congregational forum.
they were members before because they were self identified MJs meaning they had the MJ lifestyle and were active in MJ study and practice thats why they were on the list and thats why they were included this way:wave:I dont want to close this and start all over but I do welcome another poll and if the results prove better than mine here we will go with that one ok? that actually happened in here when we polled who would be free to post freely in MJ...some one else's poll proved better than mine and we used that one for our final determination:thumbsup:
 
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I like the no violations requirement.
I was stuck between 2 and 3. I'd like any regular poster to be able be to vote in polls that affect them if they don't violate the rules and cause trouble.

That would be the kind of thing that could be tracked. Can we can always change our minds later but I really wish we could firm some stuff up.
bananna


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Who constitutes a VOTING MEMBER?

Since this 'our list' was compiled before the reforms of 7/7, and put into effect by someone who doesn't even support CF any longer,why is it still valid today? If someone has strong attachments to another faith, or denomination than MJ why should they be allowed to vote for what MJ's want in their forum? If all these are included how is this really a forum for MJ's? I think MJ's, both those who are Torah scroll and menorah should be the ones to determine the perameters of this forum, else it ceases to be their home congregational forum.


I wondered that too - and agree that it should be MJ's who carry the torah scroll/menorah icon that determine the FSR's of ths forum.

The way things have been going here lately, this forum no longer feels like a safe place for MJ's. :sigh:
 
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well I guess I can't vote, and it seems this MJ forum is not going to be for MJ's much longer, shame.
That makes no sense you have a torah scroll, why can't you vote? Are you new to this area of the forum?

We just need basic rules and ideas to start. Once they were established we can work out the rest.

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Where is that list? Seems you deleted it as not being needed now in the stickies. I don't think it's fair to make a poll including a list now deleted and deemed obsolete and not giving an option like number 1 without these other "MJ lifestylers , do you?
I restored the thread but we can make a new criteria and a new list if you want too

its not what I want its what you want

I wondered that too - and agree that it should be MJ's who carry the torah scroll/menorah icon that determine the FSR's of ths forum.

The way things have been going here lately, this forum no longer feels like a safe place for MJ's. :sigh:
make a new poll wags and we can vote in both if one over rides the other we will throw one out if they seem close we can have a tie breaker

Tishri1... it is serious when MJ no longer feel welcome or in control of their own Mj corner... can't we do something about this?
we can even change the wiki later if we start something and then deside we dont like the choices we made today......we can change it later or fine tune it later

hey none of what we have done has been ME its all been you guys
personal preference is a huge deal in this new CF but it doesnt override consensus you need to come to terms with both and be willing to accept and adjust should your prefences get pushed aside(for a while;))

case in point
SOMEONE went into the staff protocol wiki and changed MY job description for Moderating the reports NOW MY HANDS ARE TIED
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because it was snapshotted and stickied in the forum rules...
On Moderator Action
Moderators are encouraged to actively participate in the threads in their forum. A well-timed post can steer conversation away from inflammatory statements and calm the mood in the thread.
Moderators should not mod outside their forum with the exception of gross profanity/vulgarity or CB Trolls. Admins should not moderate at all. No staff member should work a report on themselves, one that they reported, or one on a post which is directed at them.
Judicious use of Mod Hats can also remind people when they are skating close to rules violations or threatening to disrupt the harmony of the forum. Sometimes people get caught up in emotion and need a friendly reminder of the rules.
http://www.christianforums.com/t5680516-wiki-staff-protocol-faq.html
I changed it right away http://www.christianforums.com/t5680...tocol-faq.html
Moderators are encouraged to actively participate in the threads in their forum. A well-timed post can steer conversation away from inflammatory statements and calm the mood in the thread.
Seasoned moderators (3 + months on the team) should not mod outside their area, and new moderators should not moderate outside their forum, with the exception of gross profanity/vulgarity or CB Trolls. Super Mods and Admins w/ green "A"s (Team Leaders)should work in their own areas as well as float to other areas if invited to. No staff member should work a report on themselves.
Judicious use of Mod Hats can also remind people when they are skating close to rules violations or threatening to disrupt the harmony of the forum. Sometimes people get caught up in emotion and need a friendly reminder of the rules.
but it doesnt help me today and tomorrow and who knows how long till the wiki gets snappshotted again
http://www.christianforums.com/nuwik...visionid1=2396
scroll down to "Moderator Action"
here is the comparison to what was there when they took the snap shot , that is the one we have to use until a new snapshot is taken, so I cant Moderate until a new snapshot is taken and if someone changes it back and I dont see it, I am doomed again
And now I ( and all Admins) cannot work reports till Ron snapshots it again and only if my changes to the wiki are in there at the moment he snapshots it:swoon:

also I cannot approve anyone for mod or vote in mod apps

seriously lately the admins have less rights than the members do
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all that to say yep it is not as safe guarded in here but we have each other :groupray:and the support of each other is what will make us be all right with or with out all our desires met:thumbsup:
 
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