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That's a card, not an implant. Those have been around for years for things like access control- wave your id at the pad to unlock the door.


Nonresponsive. Answer my question: When will everybody be required to get chipped?
 
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anyone using logic flatworm, can see implantable ID is inevitable... show me any modern technology we have but dont use or eventually implement ;)

The jetpack.

Besides, that's a strawman. We are using RFID technology. We're just not implanting it. There is no sort of natural law that says every technology must be used worldwide in every conceivable way.

For goodness' sake, large portions of the world don't have access to safe drinking water, let alone RFID chips.

BTW: If you're "using logic", then show your work. Don't just claim it as it that absolved you from having to make an actual argument.
 
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The jetpack.

Besides, that's a strawman. We are using RFID technology. We're just not implanting it. There is no sort of natural law that says every technology must be used worldwide in every conceivable way.

For goodness' sake, large portions of the world don't have access to safe drinking water, let alone RFID chips.

BTW: If you're "using logic", then show your work. Don't just claim it as it that absolved you from having to make an actual argument.
rfid is implanted in several living creatures so how can you say it isnt implanted?

VERICHIP IS the human implantable rfid chip.

here is a human implantable rfid chip in action...

http://amal.net/rfid.html

"Amal has two RFID implants, one in each hand. His left hand contains a 3mm by 13mm EM4102 glass RFID tag that was implanted by a cosmetic surgeon using a scalpel to make a very small cut, into which the implant was placed. His right hand contains a 2mm by 12mm Philips HITAG 2048 S implant with crypto-security features and 255 bytes of read/write memory storage space. It was implanted by a family doctor using an Avid injector kit like the ones used on pets. He can access his front door, car door, and log into his computer using his implants, and has written a book called RFID Toys, which details how to build these and other RFID enabled projects."
 
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Just in case anyone didn't notice, you can't call one unfalsifiable prediction "falsifiable" by basing it on another unfalsifiable prediction. That still leaves it as falsifiable.

Imagine the situation where I'm making a prediction. I predict that the sky will turn bright green. This is unfalsifiable. Does this become falsifiable when I claim that it will happen exactly 1 month after a UK monarch's private jet is hijacked by the Mafia? Not even close! It's suddenly gained what seems like a measure of falsifiability, but it is only falsifiable AFTER the conditional event occurs. If there is no falsifiability on the conditional event, then there is no falsifiability on the dependant either.
 
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Sad, sad, sad...

Just in case anyone didn't notice, you can't call one unfalsifiable prediction "falsifiable" by basing it on another unfalsifiable prediction. That still leaves it as falsifiable.

Imagine the situation where I'm making a prediction. I predict that the sky will turn bright green. This is unfalsifiable. Does this become falsifiable when I claim that it will happen exactly 1 month after a UK monarch's private jet is hijacked by the Mafia? Not even close! It's suddenly gained what seems like a measure of falsifiability, but it is only falsifiable AFTER the conditional event occurs. If there is no falsifiability on the conditional event, then there is no falsifiability on the dependant either.
When did i say i could call one falsifiable because one is not.. ive demonstrated God can be falsifiable as well as God created the heavens in the earth... im sorry if that is the only one out there
 
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When did i say i could call one falsifiable because one is not.. ive demonstrated God can be falsifiable as well as God created the heavens in the earth... im sorry if that is the only one out there
You made an unfalsifiable claim (Jesus will return someday), specified by another unfalsifiable claim (after the implementation of the worldwide electronic economic system, whatever that means, three to seven years are going to pass until Jesus returns.)

Until you set specific times for all this to happen, your claims are meaningless.
 
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You made an unfalsifiable claim (Jesus will return someday), specified by another unfalsifiable claim (after the implementation of the worldwide electronic economic system, whatever that means, three to seven years are going to pass until Jesus returns.)

Until you set specific times for all this to happen, your claims are meaningless.
so you dont think we are on the verge of a worldwide electronit economic system and mandatory electronic ID?
 
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No, but I remain open to the possibility. When is all that going to happen, if it happens at all?
i would say considering the fact homeland security is currently debating the issue, the push by Verichip, our war on terror, security issues, the international push to make it a worldwide unified system, we are looking at a few short years at best... or worst depending on your view...
 
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anyone using logic flatworm, can see implantable ID is inevitable... show me any modern technology we have but dont use or eventually implement ;)
I don't have a credit card. Surprise!
Actually credit cards aren't so modern... But anyway...
 
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So what is the limit on this timeframe, then?
According to the source material, it was within a generation or two of Jesus' time on earth. That "theory" didn't work out too well, though, leading to the mass of reinterpretation which continues to this day.
 
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i would say considering the fact homeland security is currently debating the issue, the push by Verichip, our war on terror, security issues, the international push to make it a worldwide unified system, we are looking at a few short years at best... or worst depending on your view...
The problem for us is people with your particular religious beliefs have been claiming this sort of stuff for most of their history in one form or another. In so far as any of the vague end times prophecy actually makes any claims, it has been wrong every time, the reasonable conclusion is to just ignore your kind of "predictions" as mostly harmless crackpottery.
 
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Even if they describe their ideas how can you disprove them when what they are describing is something that can not be sensed by our senses? Or how can you study something that is described and cannot be sensed?
Currently all "descriptions" aren't really descriptions. They're words strung together in a hopefully grammatically correct arrangement, but they don't ever describe anything. I think a real description should be precise enough that someone reading it can know just what the author is saying, so that several people who read it can form the same impression and draw the same conclusions. They may not agree, but at least they all share the same understanding.

If it cannot be sensed, not even in theory, then what can you possibly be describing? Even electrons, quarks, gluons can be sensed. Look at something very subjective like wine tasting or art appreciation: you can still talk about the "length" of the wine, or the artists use of lines and colour to emphasize their subject. These are fuzzy and somewhat subjective, but we can still communicate!

Compare this to any description of "god". We're told God has a plan, but we're told that we cannot know what this plan is. So in what sense does God have a plan? We're told that we have a soul which is independent of our body but directs our decisions, but we can affect all aspects of our personality and our judgement by changing our body so in what sense does the soul direct anything?

These descriptions look like they have meaning, but when pressed, they're empty, meaningless blather. They communicate nothing, they mean nothing. Even will-o-the-wisps cast some faint light for us to follow, but theological descriptions of god don't give us anything.

When "god loves us" is consistent with all observations, no matter how cruel and unloving, then it loses all meaning. I might as well say that Angelina Jolie loves me, or that earthquakes love humans. That's why unfalsifiable claims are also meaningless claims
 
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When did i say i could call one falsifiable because one is not.. ive demonstrated God can be falsifiable as well as God created the heavens in the earth... im sorry if that is the only one out there
You've talked a lot about one specific, vague claim in Revelations. What does it have to do with God being falsifiable? What observation could you or anyone make which would prove conclusively that God does not exist?
 
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When did i say i could call one falsifiable because one is not.. ive demonstrated God can be falsifiable as well as God created the heavens in the earth... im sorry if that is the only one out there

You claimed that god was falsifiable and based that claim on jesus' return, which isn't itself falsifiable. You then made it semi-falsifiable by time-constraining the prediction, but you based it on another unfalsifiable claim, which self-refutes any possible delusion that this whole thing is in any way falsifiable.

By all means come up with something else though.
 
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The problem with Volfie's falsification is that for 2,000 years people have claimed that Jesus's return was imminent. Some even put specific date on the return and all failed miserably. The problem is biblical interpretation which has become entirely subjective.

So the question to Volfie is this: Why didn't Jesus come back when all of these past predictions did not come true? My guess is that Volfie will say that they misinterpretted the Bible. The problem is that this is entirely ad hoc. If Volfie's predictions do not come to pass then someone else will claim that Volfie misinterpretted the Bible. How can this be a falsifiable claim when previous predictions are thrown out for no other reason than Jesus not appearing? How is this not confirmation bias?
 
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According to the source material, it was within a generation or two of Jesus' time on earth. That "theory" didn't work out too well, though, leading to the mass of reinterpretation which continues to this day.
you are wrong
the source material is very clear and made no such claim...
 
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Currently all "descriptions" aren't really descriptions. They're words strung together in a hopefully grammatically correct arrangement, but they don't ever describe anything. I think a real description should be precise enough that someone reading it can know just what the author is saying, so that several people who read it can form the same impression and draw the same conclusions. They may not agree, but at least they all share the same understanding.

If it cannot be sensed, not even in theory, then what can you possibly be describing? Even electrons, quarks, gluons can be sensed. Look at something very subjective like wine tasting or art appreciation: you can still talk about the "length" of the wine, or the artists use of lines and colour to emphasize their subject. These are fuzzy and somewhat subjective, but we can still communicate!

Compare this to any description of "god". We're told God has a plan, but we're told that we cannot know what this plan is. So in what sense does God have a plan? We're told that we have a soul which is independent of our body but directs our decisions, but we can affect all aspects of our personality and our judgement by changing our body so in what sense does the soul direct anything?

These descriptions look like they have meaning, but when pressed, they're empty, meaningless blather. They communicate nothing, they mean nothing. Even will-o-the-wisps cast some faint light for us to follow, but theological descriptions of god don't give us anything.

When "god loves us" is consistent with all observations, no matter how cruel and unloving, then it loses all meaning. I might as well say that Angelina Jolie loves me, or that earthquakes love humans. That's why unfalsifiable claims are also meaningless claims
God too can and HAS been sensed... Jesus is in a physical body, and the Holy spirit can live within you...

Because YOU have never sensed it and wont probobly open yourself up to it, you eliminate yourself from sensing...

but too, the evidences i offered can be observed time sensibly, so you have no arguement against ""God" is viable"
 
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You claimed that god was falsifiable and based that claim on jesus' return, which isn't itself falsifiable. You then made it semi-falsifiable by time-constraining the prediction, but you based it on another unfalsifiable claim, which self-refutes any possible delusion that this whole thing is in any way falsifiable.

By all means come up with something else though.
yes just as you know haleys comet will be time sensibly observable... Give me the day and hour and minute of Haly comet's next observation when it will be in its orbital position closest to the earth
 
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