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Is there some reason not to trust Jim L's advice TM?Lies..............absolutely vile opinion. if you are trusting Jim L's. advice then I seriously question your agenda here.
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Is there some reason not to trust Jim L's advice TM?Lies..............absolutely vile opinion. if you are trusting Jim L's. advice then I seriously question your agenda here.
Let's forget about a legal case for a minute. Where is your moral compass?I agree with you. I would have been asking questions a long time ago and since Fran likes hypotheticals.....What if the "victim" in question was a grown man that drove himself (no need for dropping off) to the alleged different meeting places, of his own free will and his own accord? No matter what was going on mentally in his head the actions are why that I agree with Peach. He doesn't have a case.
I have kids and before any of this was brought to my notice I always stayed with my kids when they were at sports training.
Their training was always out in the open where ther risk is reduced.
Pools, gymnasiums etc are places where things go wrong.
The list is too long for me to rehash here rosie55, but if you go back to the beginning of the older thread and scan through his posts and the magnitude of posts rebuffing him, you will get a good picture of his lacking in compassion and understanding of the victims of sexual abuse. you will also see his high esteem of himself as an authority on these issues and his pious platitudes criticizing those who disagree with him.Is there some reason not to trust Jim L's advice TM?
Very wise suggestion, reort the abuse to the authorities and see what they say.
So far we have not heard if it has even been reported.
What was their reaction if it has been reported.
Exactly. First of all nothing whatsoever has been proven about any under age boys so these statements about kids time are ridiculous all the way around. The environment is everything as you said Cliff. If allegations were true about little kids (which they are not) there is absolutely NO opportunity's for any kind of privacy on the kids time set. NONE. My friend has a daughter that was on kids time on several different occasions. She told me the circumstances there and also said if TS was asked to play a few songs, he came in the front door down the hall directly to the set, played the songs and went out the same way immediately. She said the kids are constantly supervised while on the set or off. So as usual, trying to blame DS for "putting kids in danger, is completely foolish. Not to mention, again, that nothing has been proven in any kind of way that any children were involved in any of the allegations.
May I respectfully suggest that perhaps, while not being blinded "by" them you might be blind "to" them? This would explain to me why you seem so antagonized by me and others interpreting or attempting to understand the feelings, motives and actions of fellow victims of abuse through our own experiences.I don't mean to be rude, but many here have had these "experiences" ( myself included) but we don't keep bringing them up, Why? Our personal experience isn't the topic here, P, and we are not blinded by them.
I personally think it is onesided and rude to publish someone's personal e-mail and not the other side.
The fact is Duane answered this e-mail and has not furnished it, and I have grown irritated enough here to say that is because it paints things a bit differently.
And those on the higher road are not into violating privacy rights and betraying secrets...
The best we can do is ask Duane as he's the one who handed over Tommy's alleged email to him to publish, what he said in reply and how he answered and hope he has a conscience enough to answer, He has so far refused to do so.
Why don't you try P?
I understand if you might not want to.
Sometimes it's easier to attack or find fault with another then to try and see things from a different point of view, or to consider both sides in a unbiased manner...
Let's forget about a legal case for a minute. Where is your moral compass?
If you are speaking of the first half of this thread, I felt Jim's posts were reasonable and factual. I didn't see any "platitudes" going on at all. I've been reading them all along and I really appreciate his expertise in understanding this topic.The list is too long for me to rehash here rosie55, but if you go back to the beginning of the older thread and scan through his posts and the magnitude of posts rebuffing him, you will get a good picture of his lacking in compassion and understanding of the victims of sexual abuse. you will also see his high esteem of himself as an authority on these issues and his pious platitudes criticizing those who disagree with him.
tomatoe,I agree with you. I would have been asking questions a long time ago and since Fran likes hypotheticals.....What if the "victim" in question was a grown man that drove himself (no need for dropping off) to the alleged different meeting places, of his own free will and his own accord? No matter what was going on mentally in his head the actions are why that I agree with Peach. He doesn't have a case.
Peach,
I know you are not a malicious person, that you have a heart for the truth as you know it and that you fervently believe that what you are doing is right. As human beings we tend to sort through information drawing on our cumulative life experiences and come to personal opinions and conclusions within that framework.
As I have been involved in reading the pages of postings, documentation and opinions in this discussion since last year, I have come to my own conclusions as well. I have done this with much prayer, and have not formed my opinions lightly.
It is of interest, but not surprising, that two seekers of the truth should end up coming down on opposing sides of the issues.
May I respectfully suggest that perhaps, while not being blinded "by" them you might be blind "to" them? This would explain to me why you seem so antagonized by me and others interpreting or attempting to understand the feelings, motives and actions of fellow victims of abuse through our own experiences.
I believe you should carefully review the spirit that comes across in this section of your post.
Once again you are condemning the victim for his act of coming forward, of breaking the silence that has protected his abuser. Yes, he betrayed the secret by allowing the email to be published, but most would feel that he is not only taking the high road, but is also paving the way for others to do so by breaking the silence.
I completely agree with you here, Peach45, this is so true. Please take it to heart.
tomatoe,I believe I can see where Peach is coming from concerning you. You are adept at ignoring the main point of the post while your sympathetic side takes over. The point was that Duane answered that email from TS. His answer puts a whole different light on how the picture looks. Again, the point...If he is going to make public the email from TS then he should also make public his reply to TS. He has been asked several times about this and not only has never posted it but will not answer the question of what he said in it. That isn't hard to understand.
What magnitude of posts rebuffing him? The same tactics all over again, state something false and then assume that it has to be truthful.The list is too long for me to rehash here rosie55, but if you go back to the beginning of the older thread and scan through his posts and the magnitude of posts rebuffing him, you will get a good picture of his lacking in compassion and understanding of the victims of sexual abuse. you will also see his high esteem of himself as an authority on these issues and his pious platitudes criticizing those who disagree with him.
tomatoe,
I thought I had addressed that point as well but see that I left it out. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
I have seen Duane answer the query about his response to Tommy's emailed confession. My recollecton is that he said he had deleted it.
Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, his 2005 response to Tommy's email would likely have been framed from the point of view of a person who had not yet realized he had been victimized. I am fairly certain he probably feels differently today than he did in the summer of 2005. BTIJMO
Apparently it is hard for you to understand. that has been addressed and explained over and over again. why do you keep bringing it up? (no reply needed)I believe I can see where Peach is coming from concerning you. You are adept at ignoring the main point of the post while your sympathetic side takes over. The point was that Duane answered that email from TS. His answer puts a whole different light on how the picture looks. Again, the point...If he is going to make public the email from TS then he should also make public his reply to TS. He has been asked several times about this and not only has never posted it but will not answer the question of what he said in it. That isn't hard to understand.
I am not privy to what he said in his deleted response. If Duane chooses to report it that is his business.Ok he said he deleted it. Then just give us a condensed version of what he said. It's not been that long ago so shouldn't be hard to remember.
I don't know if he has been in total denial, semi-denial or afraid to admit the truth to himself about the abuse over the years since the abuse ended. Duane will come to know his own personal answer to that as he goes through this healing process.And you are saying that he didn't realize he was a victim 19 years or so after the alleged incidents and even up to the time he contacted Pickle in Tommy's defense. But at some point after he talked to Pickle, he realized, all of a sudden, that he had been a victim.
Ok there is no sense in continuing this back and forth. It proves nothing so let's just agree to disagree on the circumstances.
Peaceful--this is true--you don't know.I am not privy to what he said in his deleted response. If Duane chooses to report it that is his business.
I don't know if he has been in total denial, semi-denial or afraid to admit the truth to himself about the abuse over the years since the abuse ended. Duane will come to know his own personal answer to that as he goes through this healing process.
You are most likely correct. We will continue to disagree and I will continue to post my opinion on the matter any time you or others attack the credibility of the victims.
Peaceful--this is true--you don't know.
Again truthmagnet--all of what you have said is hearsay and gossip because no one has been charged in a court of law. Again--let Duane and company form a lawsuit (I understand this is being done) and then come on here and talk about it. But until it is PROVEN in a court of law, Tommy is innocent of any child abuse.
I'm glad law enforcement have been trained to tell when people are lying when it comes to this type of abuse. I imagine it clears up a lot of problems.